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Postby Z4 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:41 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
kafenes wrote:
miltiades wrote:As I have said before , a disgusting smelly unhealthy third world filthy habit !!!


@ Milti and Bubbles,I believe the same goes for alcohol consumption as well. A filthy discusting habit which kills the users and other innocent people around them and ruins many families.


kafenes - drinking is ok, in moderation of course. Smoking on the other hand is foul, disgusting and harms others. Drinking a pint of beer doesn't effect other people but smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room......which is not on

You can produce scientific proof that second-hand smoking is harmful I presume...? I look forward to reading the scientific papers you link to...


So, you saying that breathing 2nd hand smoke is not bad for you? It's certainly not good for youl, and can't be....really cant be bothered to look for scientific papers but feel free to prove me wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1747612
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/30421.php


You obviously misunderstood my last statement… :roll:

When I asked for scientific proof that second-hand smoke was harmful to your health I was looking for proven scientific fact and research… not your opinion or that of Roy Castle…

You made the statement that ‘smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room’. I don’t think it is unreasonable for you to provide the scientific proof behind that statement…

Do you...?


You are also missing my point too CyprusGrump. Drinking one pint of beer will not harm the other person sat next to you where is you sat next to a smoker puffing on a B&H would. If you are a non smoker go-to your nearest bar and try both.

No, your point is quite clear thank you. :roll:

You claim that smoking one cigarette is harmful to those around you yet you are clearly unable to provide proof of that claim.

When I ask you to provide proof you merely make the same claim again and claim that I have misunderstood. I have not... I'll ask you again. Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim that smoking one cigarette in a room is harmful to those around you....

If you cannot just say so...

:roll:


You are welcome.....on the other hand please provide me with proof that it is perfectly healthy to do so :roll:

So you are obviously unable to provide any proof that backs your ridiculous claim then? I thought so... :roll:

You are an idiot who believes everything he reads in the Daily Mail...

If you can cope with the long words, try The British Medical Journal

I'll quote a little for you...

The British Medical Journal wrote:No significant associations were found for current or former exposure to environmental tobacco smoke before or after adjusting for seven confounders and before or after excluding participants with pre-existing disease. No significant associations were found during the shorter follow up periods of 1960-5, 1966-72, 1973-85, and 1973-98.

Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.


OK?

Personally I think smoking is disgusting... However, I don't believe everything I read in the papers and actually have an informed opinion on the subject. :wink:

You should try it...


I am bored of talking to you now.........come back when you have some 'sound' evidence please :roll:
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Postby miltiades » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:41 pm

Z4 wrote:
kafenes wrote:
miltiades wrote:As I have said before , a disgusting smelly unhealthy third world filthy habit !!!


@ Milti and Bubbles,I believe the same goes for alcohol consumption as well. A filthy discusting habit which kills the users and other innocent people around them and ruins many families.


kafenes - drinking is ok, in moderation of course. Smoking on the other hand is foul, disgusting and harms others. Drinking a pint of beer doesn't effect other people but smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room......which is not on

Responsible drinking exists , on the other hand there is no such thing as responsible smoking !!
As a wine drinker , a bottle each night , two on Sunday and ..three when on holiday , I have never harmed anyone or caused offense to anybody. I consider my drinking to be responsible , ie I dont drink when at work or when driving ... Smoking is smelly to all around , is unhealthy and
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Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:45 pm

Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
kafenes wrote:
miltiades wrote:As I have said before , a disgusting smelly unhealthy third world filthy habit !!!


@ Milti and Bubbles,I believe the same goes for alcohol consumption as well. A filthy discusting habit which kills the users and other innocent people around them and ruins many families.


kafenes - drinking is ok, in moderation of course. Smoking on the other hand is foul, disgusting and harms others. Drinking a pint of beer doesn't effect other people but smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room......which is not on

You can produce scientific proof that second-hand smoking is harmful I presume...? I look forward to reading the scientific papers you link to...


So, you saying that breathing 2nd hand smoke is not bad for you? It's certainly not good for youl, and can't be....really cant be bothered to look for scientific papers but feel free to prove me wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1747612
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/30421.php


You obviously misunderstood my last statement… :roll:

When I asked for scientific proof that second-hand smoke was harmful to your health I was looking for proven scientific fact and research… not your opinion or that of Roy Castle…

You made the statement that ‘smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room’. I don’t think it is unreasonable for you to provide the scientific proof behind that statement…

Do you...?


You are also missing my point too CyprusGrump. Drinking one pint of beer will not harm the other person sat next to you where is you sat next to a smoker puffing on a B&H would. If you are a non smoker go-to your nearest bar and try both.

No, your point is quite clear thank you. :roll:

You claim that smoking one cigarette is harmful to those around you yet you are clearly unable to provide proof of that claim.

When I ask you to provide proof you merely make the same claim again and claim that I have misunderstood. I have not... I'll ask you again. Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim that smoking one cigarette in a room is harmful to those around you....

If you cannot just say so...

:roll:


You are welcome.....on the other hand please provide me with proof that it is perfectly healthy to do so :roll:

So you are obviously unable to provide any proof that backs your ridiculous claim then? I thought so... :roll:

You are an idiot who believes everything he reads in the Daily Mail...

If you can cope with the long words, try The British Medical Journal

I'll quote a little for you...

The British Medical Journal wrote:No significant associations were found for current or former exposure to environmental tobacco smoke before or after adjusting for seven confounders and before or after excluding participants with pre-existing disease. No significant associations were found during the shorter follow up periods of 1960-5, 1966-72, 1973-85, and 1973-98.

Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.


OK?

Personally I think smoking is disgusting... However, I don't believe everything I read in the papers and actually have an informed opinion on the subject. :wink:

You should try it...


I am bored of talking to you now.........come back when you have some 'sound' evidence please :roll:

You idiot! :roll:

Which part of the British Medical Journal report did you fail to comprehend? :x
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Postby CBBB » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:49 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
kafenes wrote:
miltiades wrote:As I have said before , a disgusting smelly unhealthy third world filthy habit !!!


@ Milti and Bubbles,I believe the same goes for alcohol consumption as well. A filthy discusting habit which kills the users and other innocent people around them and ruins many families.


kafenes - drinking is ok, in moderation of course. Smoking on the other hand is foul, disgusting and harms others. Drinking a pint of beer doesn't effect other people but smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room......which is not on

You can produce scientific proof that second-hand smoking is harmful I presume...? I look forward to reading the scientific papers you link to...


So, you saying that breathing 2nd hand smoke is not bad for you? It's certainly not good for youl, and can't be....really cant be bothered to look for scientific papers but feel free to prove me wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1747612
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/30421.php


You obviously misunderstood my last statement… :roll:

When I asked for scientific proof that second-hand smoke was harmful to your health I was looking for proven scientific fact and research… not your opinion or that of Roy Castle…

You made the statement that ‘smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room’. I don’t think it is unreasonable for you to provide the scientific proof behind that statement…

Do you...?


You are also missing my point too CyprusGrump. Drinking one pint of beer will not harm the other person sat next to you where is you sat next to a smoker puffing on a B&H would. If you are a non smoker go-to your nearest bar and try both.

No, your point is quite clear thank you. :roll:

You claim that smoking one cigarette is harmful to those around you yet you are clearly unable to provide proof of that claim.

When I ask you to provide proof you merely make the same claim again and claim that I have misunderstood. I have not... I'll ask you again. Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim that smoking one cigarette in a room is harmful to those around you....

If you cannot just say so...

:roll:


You are welcome.....on the other hand please provide me with proof that it is perfectly healthy to do so :roll:

So you are obviously unable to provide any proof that backs your ridiculous claim then? I thought so... :roll:

You are an idiot who believes everything he reads in the Daily Mail...

If you can cope with the long words, try The British Medical Journal

I'll quote a little for you...

The British Medical Journal wrote:No significant associations were found for current or former exposure to environmental tobacco smoke before or after adjusting for seven confounders and before or after excluding participants with pre-existing disease. No significant associations were found during the shorter follow up periods of 1960-5, 1966-72, 1973-85, and 1973-98.

Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.


OK?

Personally I think smoking is disgusting... However, I don't believe everything I read in the papers and actually have an informed opinion on the subject. :wink:

You should try it...


I am bored of talking to you now.........come back when you have some 'sound' evidence please :roll:

You idiot! :roll:

Which part of the British Medical Journal report did you fail to comprehend? :x
\

What has the BMJ got to do with it?

We are in Cyprus, things are different here (says he, sitting in his office smoking like the proverbial chimney)!
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Postby Z4 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:51 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
kafenes wrote:
miltiades wrote:As I have said before , a disgusting smelly unhealthy third world filthy habit !!!


@ Milti and Bubbles,I believe the same goes for alcohol consumption as well. A filthy discusting habit which kills the users and other innocent people around them and ruins many families.


kafenes - drinking is ok, in moderation of course. Smoking on the other hand is foul, disgusting and harms others. Drinking a pint of beer doesn't effect other people but smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room......which is not on

You can produce scientific proof that second-hand smoking is harmful I presume...? I look forward to reading the scientific papers you link to...


So, you saying that breathing 2nd hand smoke is not bad for you? It's certainly not good for youl, and can't be....really cant be bothered to look for scientific papers but feel free to prove me wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1747612
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/30421.php


You obviously misunderstood my last statement… :roll:

When I asked for scientific proof that second-hand smoke was harmful to your health I was looking for proven scientific fact and research… not your opinion or that of Roy Castle…

You made the statement that ‘smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room’. I don’t think it is unreasonable for you to provide the scientific proof behind that statement…

Do you...?


You are also missing my point too CyprusGrump. Drinking one pint of beer will not harm the other person sat next to you where is you sat next to a smoker puffing on a B&H would. If you are a non smoker go-to your nearest bar and try both.

No, your point is quite clear thank you. :roll:

You claim that smoking one cigarette is harmful to those around you yet you are clearly unable to provide proof of that claim.

When I ask you to provide proof you merely make the same claim again and claim that I have misunderstood. I have not... I'll ask you again. Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim that smoking one cigarette in a room is harmful to those around you....

If you cannot just say so...

:roll:


You are welcome.....on the other hand please provide me with proof that it is perfectly healthy to do so :roll:

So you are obviously unable to provide any proof that backs your ridiculous claim then? I thought so... :roll:

You are an idiot who believes everything he reads in the Daily Mail...

If you can cope with the long words, try The British Medical Journal

I'll quote a little for you...

The British Medical Journal wrote:No significant associations were found for current or former exposure to environmental tobacco smoke before or after adjusting for seven confounders and before or after excluding participants with pre-existing disease. No significant associations were found during the shorter follow up periods of 1960-5, 1966-72, 1973-85, and 1973-98.

Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.


OK?

Personally I think smoking is disgusting... However, I don't believe everything I read in the papers and actually have an informed opinion on the subject. :wink:

You should try it...


I am bored of talking to you now.........come back when you have some 'sound' evidence please :roll:

You idiot! :roll:

Which part of the British Medical Journal report did you fail to comprehend? :x


The bit where it says "Setting the Record Straight: Secondhand Smoke is a Preventable Health Risk" on the United States Environmental Protection Agency

Especially the part where it says
"The evidence is clear and consistent: secondhand smoke is a cause of lung cancer in adults who don't smoke. EPA has never claimed that minimal exposure to secondhand smoke poses a huge individual cancer risk. Even though the lung cancer risk from secondhand smoke is relatively small compared to the risk from direct smoking, unlike a smoker who chooses to smoke, the nonsmoker's risk is often involuntary. In addition, exposure to secondhand smoke varies tremendously among exposed individuals. For those who must live or work in close proximity to one or more smokers, the risk would certainly be greater than for those less exposed.

EPA estimates that secondhand smoke is responsible for about 3,000 lung cancer deaths each year among nonsmokers in the U.S.; of these, the estimate is 800 from exposure to secondhand smoke at home and 2,200 from exposure in work or social situations"
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Postby cyprusgrump » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:52 pm

CBBB wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
kafenes wrote:
miltiades wrote:As I have said before , a disgusting smelly unhealthy third world filthy habit !!!


@ Milti and Bubbles,I believe the same goes for alcohol consumption as well. A filthy discusting habit which kills the users and other innocent people around them and ruins many families.


kafenes - drinking is ok, in moderation of course. Smoking on the other hand is foul, disgusting and harms others. Drinking a pint of beer doesn't effect other people but smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room......which is not on

You can produce scientific proof that second-hand smoking is harmful I presume...? I look forward to reading the scientific papers you link to...


So, you saying that breathing 2nd hand smoke is not bad for you? It's certainly not good for youl, and can't be....really cant be bothered to look for scientific papers but feel free to prove me wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1747612
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/30421.php


You obviously misunderstood my last statement… :roll:

When I asked for scientific proof that second-hand smoke was harmful to your health I was looking for proven scientific fact and research… not your opinion or that of Roy Castle…

You made the statement that ‘smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room’. I don’t think it is unreasonable for you to provide the scientific proof behind that statement…

Do you...?


You are also missing my point too CyprusGrump. Drinking one pint of beer will not harm the other person sat next to you where is you sat next to a smoker puffing on a B&H would. If you are a non smoker go-to your nearest bar and try both.

No, your point is quite clear thank you. :roll:

You claim that smoking one cigarette is harmful to those around you yet you are clearly unable to provide proof of that claim.

When I ask you to provide proof you merely make the same claim again and claim that I have misunderstood. I have not... I'll ask you again. Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim that smoking one cigarette in a room is harmful to those around you....

If you cannot just say so...

:roll:


You are welcome.....on the other hand please provide me with proof that it is perfectly healthy to do so :roll:

So you are obviously unable to provide any proof that backs your ridiculous claim then? I thought so... :roll:

You are an idiot who believes everything he reads in the Daily Mail...

If you can cope with the long words, try The British Medical Journal

I'll quote a little for you...

The British Medical Journal wrote:No significant associations were found for current or former exposure to environmental tobacco smoke before or after adjusting for seven confounders and before or after excluding participants with pre-existing disease. No significant associations were found during the shorter follow up periods of 1960-5, 1966-72, 1973-85, and 1973-98.

Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.


OK?

Personally I think smoking is disgusting... However, I don't believe everything I read in the papers and actually have an informed opinion on the subject. :wink:

You should try it...


I am bored of talking to you now.........come back when you have some 'sound' evidence please :roll:

You idiot! :roll:

Which part of the British Medical Journal report did you fail to comprehend? :x
\

What has the BMJ got to do with it?

We are in Cyprus, things are different here (says he, sitting in his office smoking like the proverbial chimney)!

Quite simply that Z4 made a claim that he was unable to substantiate.

He then asked me to provide evidence for my viewpoint hich I did by quoting the BMJ.

BTW it is very much worth considering that, whilst one arm of the EU is trying to stamp out tobacco smoking, another is very much encouraging tobacco:the EU subsidised tobacco growing to the tune of €920 million (£620 million) in 2007 alone.
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Postby Z4 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:52 pm

CBBB wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
kafenes wrote:
miltiades wrote:As I have said before , a disgusting smelly unhealthy third world filthy habit !!!


@ Milti and Bubbles,I believe the same goes for alcohol consumption as well. A filthy discusting habit which kills the users and other innocent people around them and ruins many families.


kafenes - drinking is ok, in moderation of course. Smoking on the other hand is foul, disgusting and harms others. Drinking a pint of beer doesn't effect other people but smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room......which is not on

You can produce scientific proof that second-hand smoking is harmful I presume...? I look forward to reading the scientific papers you link to...


So, you saying that breathing 2nd hand smoke is not bad for you? It's certainly not good for youl, and can't be....really cant be bothered to look for scientific papers but feel free to prove me wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1747612
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/30421.php


You obviously misunderstood my last statement… :roll:

When I asked for scientific proof that second-hand smoke was harmful to your health I was looking for proven scientific fact and research… not your opinion or that of Roy Castle…

You made the statement that ‘smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room’. I don’t think it is unreasonable for you to provide the scientific proof behind that statement…

Do you...?


You are also missing my point too CyprusGrump. Drinking one pint of beer will not harm the other person sat next to you where is you sat next to a smoker puffing on a B&H would. If you are a non smoker go-to your nearest bar and try both.

No, your point is quite clear thank you. :roll:

You claim that smoking one cigarette is harmful to those around you yet you are clearly unable to provide proof of that claim.

When I ask you to provide proof you merely make the same claim again and claim that I have misunderstood. I have not... I'll ask you again. Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim that smoking one cigarette in a room is harmful to those around you....

If you cannot just say so...

:roll:


You are welcome.....on the other hand please provide me with proof that it is perfectly healthy to do so :roll:

So you are obviously unable to provide any proof that backs your ridiculous claim then? I thought so... :roll:

You are an idiot who believes everything he reads in the Daily Mail...

If you can cope with the long words, try The British Medical Journal

I'll quote a little for you...

The British Medical Journal wrote:No significant associations were found for current or former exposure to environmental tobacco smoke before or after adjusting for seven confounders and before or after excluding participants with pre-existing disease. No significant associations were found during the shorter follow up periods of 1960-5, 1966-72, 1973-85, and 1973-98.

Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.


OK?

Personally I think smoking is disgusting... However, I don't believe everything I read in the papers and actually have an informed opinion on the subject. :wink:

You should try it...


I am bored of talking to you now.........come back when you have some 'sound' evidence please :roll:

You idiot! :roll:

Which part of the British Medical Journal report did you fail to comprehend? :x
\

What has the BMJ got to do with it?

We are in Cyprus, things are different here (says he, sitting in his office smoking like the proverbial chimney)!


Now who's the idiot? Doesn't even know which country he lives in :lol:
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Postby psycho » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:53 pm

CBBB wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
kafenes wrote:
miltiades wrote:As I have said before , a disgusting smelly unhealthy third world filthy habit !!!


@ Milti and Bubbles,I believe the same goes for alcohol consumption as well. A filthy discusting habit which kills the users and other innocent people around them and ruins many families.


kafenes - drinking is ok, in moderation of course. Smoking on the other hand is foul, disgusting and harms others. Drinking a pint of beer doesn't effect other people but smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room......which is not on

You can produce scientific proof that second-hand smoking is harmful I presume...? I look forward to reading the scientific papers you link to...


So, you saying that breathing 2nd hand smoke is not bad for you? It's certainly not good for youl, and can't be....really cant be bothered to look for scientific papers but feel free to prove me wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1747612
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/30421.php


You obviously misunderstood my last statement… :roll:

When I asked for scientific proof that second-hand smoke was harmful to your health I was looking for proven scientific fact and research… not your opinion or that of Roy Castle…

You made the statement that ‘smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room’. I don’t think it is unreasonable for you to provide the scientific proof behind that statement…

Do you...?


You are also missing my point too CyprusGrump. Drinking one pint of beer will not harm the other person sat next to you where is you sat next to a smoker puffing on a B&H would. If you are a non smoker go-to your nearest bar and try both.

No, your point is quite clear thank you. :roll:

You claim that smoking one cigarette is harmful to those around you yet you are clearly unable to provide proof of that claim.

When I ask you to provide proof you merely make the same claim again and claim that I have misunderstood. I have not... I'll ask you again. Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim that smoking one cigarette in a room is harmful to those around you....

If you cannot just say so...

:roll:


You are welcome.....on the other hand please provide me with proof that it is perfectly healthy to do so :roll:

So you are obviously unable to provide any proof that backs your ridiculous claim then? I thought so... :roll:

You are an idiot who believes everything he reads in the Daily Mail...

If you can cope with the long words, try The British Medical Journal

I'll quote a little for you...

The British Medical Journal wrote:No significant associations were found for current or former exposure to environmental tobacco smoke before or after adjusting for seven confounders and before or after excluding participants with pre-existing disease. No significant associations were found during the shorter follow up periods of 1960-5, 1966-72, 1973-85, and 1973-98.

Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.


OK?

Personally I think smoking is disgusting... However, I don't believe everything I read in the papers and actually have an informed opinion on the subject. :wink:

You should try it...


I am bored of talking to you now.........come back when you have some 'sound' evidence please :roll:

You idiot! :roll:

Which part of the British Medical Journal report did you fail to comprehend? :x
\

What has the BMJ got to do with it?

We are in Cyprus, things are different here (says he, sitting in his office smoking like the proverbial chimney)!

Good boy...... can I come to your office and have a fag with you..??
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Postby Z4 » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:54 pm

psycho wrote:
CBBB wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
kafenes wrote:
miltiades wrote:As I have said before , a disgusting smelly unhealthy third world filthy habit !!!


@ Milti and Bubbles,I believe the same goes for alcohol consumption as well. A filthy discusting habit which kills the users and other innocent people around them and ruins many families.


kafenes - drinking is ok, in moderation of course. Smoking on the other hand is foul, disgusting and harms others. Drinking a pint of beer doesn't effect other people but smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room......which is not on

You can produce scientific proof that second-hand smoking is harmful I presume...? I look forward to reading the scientific papers you link to...


So, you saying that breathing 2nd hand smoke is not bad for you? It's certainly not good for youl, and can't be....really cant be bothered to look for scientific papers but feel free to prove me wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
http://www.epa.gov/smokefree/pubs/strsfs.html
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... id=1747612
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/30421.php


You obviously misunderstood my last statement… :roll:

When I asked for scientific proof that second-hand smoke was harmful to your health I was looking for proven scientific fact and research… not your opinion or that of Roy Castle…

You made the statement that ‘smoking one cigarette can harm people in the same room’. I don’t think it is unreasonable for you to provide the scientific proof behind that statement…

Do you...?


You are also missing my point too CyprusGrump. Drinking one pint of beer will not harm the other person sat next to you where is you sat next to a smoker puffing on a B&H would. If you are a non smoker go-to your nearest bar and try both.

No, your point is quite clear thank you. :roll:

You claim that smoking one cigarette is harmful to those around you yet you are clearly unable to provide proof of that claim.

When I ask you to provide proof you merely make the same claim again and claim that I have misunderstood. I have not... I'll ask you again. Please provide scientific evidence to support your claim that smoking one cigarette in a room is harmful to those around you....

If you cannot just say so...

:roll:


You are welcome.....on the other hand please provide me with proof that it is perfectly healthy to do so :roll:

So you are obviously unable to provide any proof that backs your ridiculous claim then? I thought so... :roll:

You are an idiot who believes everything he reads in the Daily Mail...

If you can cope with the long words, try The British Medical Journal

I'll quote a little for you...

The British Medical Journal wrote:No significant associations were found for current or former exposure to environmental tobacco smoke before or after adjusting for seven confounders and before or after excluding participants with pre-existing disease. No significant associations were found during the shorter follow up periods of 1960-5, 1966-72, 1973-85, and 1973-98.

Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed.


OK?

Personally I think smoking is disgusting... However, I don't believe everything I read in the papers and actually have an informed opinion on the subject. :wink:

You should try it...


I am bored of talking to you now.........come back when you have some 'sound' evidence please :roll:

You idiot! :roll:

Which part of the British Medical Journal report did you fail to comprehend? :x
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What has the BMJ got to do with it?

We are in Cyprus, things are different here (says he, sitting in his office smoking like the proverbial chimney)!

Good boy...... can I come to your office and have a fag with you..??


I beg your pardon ? :lol:
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Postby DANGAMAN » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:12 pm

On a few occasions I have been at various public places such as resturants where in our company there was a woman expecting.

You would get these idiots with no consideration to anyone apart from their selfish bad habits, smoking even cigars, stinking the whole place, meters from a pregnant woman

I really hope these type of persons do get HEAVELY fined and with that money the goverment builds more parks for kids.
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