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[Floda]

As mixed up and totally clueless as always .Not welcome back !
Seen a psycho recently mate ?

Actually miltiades, you are probably the least well equipped person on the forum to make any comment in respect of an other's capacity to think.

You should read a particular 'Fable' (one of Aesop's) in which the birds and the beasts are at war one with the other.

The 'BAT', watching the progress of each encounter, flits from side to side and joins the throng of whoever has the ascendancy at any given time, sometimes proclaiming himself to be a beast and at other times a bird.

When a truce was called and the affrays ceased, neither of the two sides would entertain the presence of the 'BAT' since neither could be sure of just where it's allegiance lay.

Thus it is with YOU miltiades, you are a loud mutant and your home is with the original enemies of the country you now hail to be your own.

Cyprus does not need such 'Patriots' as you, perhaps you would do better among the Turks, you certainly have an enormous amount of respect for those powers which inflict hardship upon the innocent.

May I suggest you change your nick to 'Batman' ?, it certainly has a ring of truth about it. IMHO of course.

Can GR be Robin?

If such were a possibility, I am sure miltiades would be only too ready AND willing to 'Swap Identities' should the going get rough for whichever guise he were in at any particular time.

I also doubt if GR would even entertain such a close connection, thus, regretfully I cannot countenance your suggestion.

[Talisker]

Two issues come to the fore. 1. A reminder of the doubt about the conviction against Megrahi. 2. The early release of convicted prisoners on compassionate grounds due to terminal illness.

I'm not at all proud of Scotland's role in the 'justice' we've witnessed. 1. It was the Scottish legal system that procured a conviction against this individual, albeit in a neutral venue and, no doubt, under enormous political pressure. 2. The decision to release this prisoner was wrong - if he was going to be released on any grounds it should have been through his appeal on the conviction rather than his (terminal) illness.

Basically this is all (dirty) politics, and the Scots involved in these decisions have done Scotland a disservice. IMHO of course.

[Floda]

Two issues come to the fore. 1. A reminder of the doubt about the conviction against Megrahi. 2. The early release of convicted prisoners on compassionate grounds due to terminal illness.

I'm not at all proud of Scotland's role in the 'justice' we've witnessed. 1. It was the Scottish legal system that procured a conviction against this individual, albeit in a neutral venue and, no doubt, under enormous political pressure. 2. The decision to release this prisoner was wrong - if he was going to be released on any grounds it should have been through his appeal on the conviction rather than his (terminal) illness.

Basically this is all (dirty) politics, and the Scots involved in these decisions have done Scotland a disservice. IMHO of course.

Whereas your points are beyond criticism and I fully agree with your interpretation of what SHOULD have taken place, it is the fact that the whole process was so openly (and dishonestly IMHO) conducted in such a manner as would ensure that it did not, that gave reason which prompted me to make mention of it and revive the previous post in order to do so.

Since almost every one of those involved in this sorry mess ARE (or are closely connected with) persons with a sound knowledge of the law (whether it be English or Scottish), it is inconceivable that they were not aware of the ramifications that would follow the withdrawal of the appeal.

They MUST have known that such a development would bury the truth of the original act (The Lockerbie bombing) for once and for all, that there would never be a possibility of discovering the truth of the matter, neither who instigated the action nor who perpetrated it.

As to the financial gains which will now be quite legitimate, I doubt very much if there will be as much noise from high office (whichever side of the Atlantic, or elsewhere) as is currently being heard.

Obviously, the act of stirring up public opinion is a well tried and tested policy among the leaders of all nations, the REAL shame is that those who have suffered most will receive the least relief for such suffering, whilst those who now seek to capitalise on the misfortunes of others WILL benefit.

Whilst the general public (of whichever nation) argue amongst themselves, those who should be striving to seek the truth, will be far too busy jostling for their own piece of the enormously lucrative pie.

I do feel that there is much TRUTH in what I suggest here. (IMHO).

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[Talisker]

Two issues come to the fore. 1. A reminder of the doubt about the conviction against Megrahi. 2. The early release of convicted prisoners on compassionate grounds due to terminal illness.

I'm not at all proud of Scotland's role in the 'justice' we've witnessed. 1. It was the Scottish legal system that procured a conviction against this individual, albeit in a neutral venue and, no doubt, under enormous political pressure. 2. The decision to release this prisoner was wrong - if he was going to be released on any grounds it should have been through his appeal on the conviction rather than his (terminal) illness.

Basically this is all (dirty) politics, and the Scots involved in these decisions have done Scotland a disservice. IMHO of course.

Whereas your points are beyond criticism and I fully agree with your interpretation of what SHOULD have taken place, it is the fact that the whole process was so openly (and dishonestly IMHO) conducted in such a manner as would ensure that it did not, that gave reason which prompted me to make mention of it and revive the previous post in order to do so.

Since almost every one of those involved in this sorry mess ARE (or are closely connected with) persons with a sound knowledge of the law (whether it be English or Scottish), it is inconceivable that they were not aware of the ramifications that would follow the withdrawal of the appeal.

They MUST have known that such a development would bury the truth of the original act (The Lockerbie bombing) for once and for all, that there would never be a possibility of discovering the truth of the matter, neither who instigated the action nor who perpetrated it.

As to the financial gains which will now be quite legitimate, I doubt very much if there will be as much noise from high office (whichever side of the Atlantic, or elsewhere) as is currently being heard.

Obviously, the act of stirring up public opinion is a well tried and tested policy among the leaders of all nations, the REAL shame is that those who have suffered most will receive the least relief for such suffering, whilst those who now seek to capitalise on the misfortunes of others WILL benefit.

Whilst the general public (of whichever nation) argue amongst themselves, those who should be striving to seek the truth, will be far too busy jostling for their own piece of the enormously lucrative pie.

I do feel that there is much TRUTH in what I suggest here. (IMHO).

.

I agree with your assessment Floda. The sad fact is that as one becomes older one realises that as knowledge is acquired on the political machinations of the world it is necessary to take the most cynical view possible in order to try to make sense of it! A sad state of affairs......

[Floda]

Two issues come to the fore. 1. A reminder of the doubt about the conviction against Megrahi. 2. The early release of convicted prisoners on compassionate grounds due to terminal illness.

I'm not at all proud of Scotland's role in the 'justice' we've witnessed. 1. It was the Scottish legal system that procured a conviction against this individual, albeit in a neutral venue and, no doubt, under enormous political pressure. 2. The decision to release this prisoner was wrong - if he was going to be released on any grounds it should have been through his appeal on the conviction rather than his (terminal) illness.

Basically this is all (dirty) politics, and the Scots involved in these decisions have done Scotland a disservice. IMHO of course.

Whereas your points are beyond criticism and I fully agree with your interpretation of what SHOULD have taken place, it is the fact that the whole process was so openly (and dishonestly IMHO) conducted in such a manner as would ensure that it did not, that gave reason which prompted me to make mention of it and revive the previous post in order to do so.

Since almost every one of those involved in this sorry mess ARE (or are closely connected with) persons with a sound knowledge of the law (whether it be English or Scottish), it is inconceivable that they were not aware of the ramifications that would follow the withdrawal of the appeal.

They MUST have known that such a development would bury the truth of the original act (The Lockerbie bombing) for once and for all, that there would never be a possibility of discovering the truth of the matter, neither who instigated the action nor who perpetrated it.

As to the financial gains which will now be quite legitimate, I doubt very much if there will be as much noise from high office (whichever side of the Atlantic, or elsewhere) as is currently being heard.

Obviously, the act of stirring up public opinion is a well tried and tested policy among the leaders of all nations, the REAL shame is that those who have suffered most will receive the least relief for such suffering, whilst those who now seek to capitalise on the misfortunes of others WILL benefit.

Whilst the general public (of whichever nation) argue amongst themselves, those who should be striving to seek the truth, will be far too busy jostling for their own piece of the enormously lucrative pie.

I do feel that there is much TRUTH in what I suggest here. (IMHO).

.

I agree with your assessment Floda. The sad fact is that as one becomes older one realises that as knowledge is acquired on the political machinations of the world it is necessary to take the most cynical view possible in order to try to make sense of it! A sad state of affairs......

Thank you Talisker and may I say that it is a pleasure to have shared an intelligent exchange with you.

[Free Spirit]

During the American war of independence, there was a particular soldier who (being son of a Jewish tailor) had a special uniform created for him. the one side was Blue and the other Grey.:

You seem to have got your wars wrong; the Blue and the Grey were symbols of the American Civil War not the War of Independence.
The North wore the Dark Blue and the South wore the Grey.

[Floda]

As well as clueless , also a lunatic , I bet you undergo regular sessions of counselling . Cyprus having friends such as Adolf who needs enemies !!

I am afraid you would lose your bet (as usual).

Incidentally, since you are such an advocate of all that the USA deems to be acceptable, there is another interesting little story which seems to fit your pistol nicely.

During the American Civil War, there was a particular soldier who (being son of a Cypriot tailor) had a special uniform created for him. the one side was Blue and the other Grey.

In such apparel, he was able to join forces with whichever side was superior at any given time (similar to the 'BAT' in the previous story).

Unfortunately, due to the lack of (or over indulgence of) battlefield rations, the soldier (if one could attach such title to such scum) developed a large boil on his buttocks which required lancing.

The Surgeon, discovering the fact that his uniform was NOT of regulation to either side of the conflict, reported the matter to the Officer in command and he was dealt with in a manner not even worthy of a spy (who would usually be shot) rather, hanged from a tree with his uniform in tatters exposing his deception.

Around his neck was hung a sign declaring "This man is a Turncoat".

I do believe that THAT is the origin of the word now commonly used for those who attempt to don the attire or countenance of the 'BAT'.

No amount of collections for the needy, could ever erase the shame of that unspeakable treacherous treasonous dog, nor will it ever serve to increase the standing of ANY who would wish to adopt the same (or similar) principles. IMHO as ever.

Well spotted Free Spirit. (actually the son of the tailor in the story was from the Paphos region of Cyprus)

[Paphitis]

As well as clueless , also a lunatic , I bet you undergo regular sessions of counselling . Cyprus having friends such as Adolf who needs enemies !!

I am afraid you would lose your bet (as usual).

Incidentally, since you are such an advocate of all that the USA deems to be acceptable, there is another interesting little story which seems to fit your pistol nicely.

During the American Civil War, there was a particular soldier who (being son of a Cypriot tailor) had a special uniform created for him. the one side was Blue and the other Grey.

In such apparel, he was able to join forces with whichever side was superior at any given time (similar to the 'BAT' in the previous story).

Unfortunately, due to the lack of (or over indulgence of) battlefield rations, the soldier (if one could attach such title to such scum) developed a large boil on his buttocks which required lancing.

The Surgeon, discovering the fact that his uniform was NOT of regulation to either side of the conflict, reported the matter to the Officer in command and he was dealt with in a manner not even worthy of a spy (who would usually be shot) rather, hanged from a tree with his uniform in tatters exposing his deception.

Around his neck was hung a sign declaring "This man is a Turncoat".

I do believe that THAT is the origin of the word now commonly used for those who attempt to don the attire or countenance of the 'BAT'.

No amount of collections for the needy, could ever erase the shame of that unspeakable treacherous treasonous dog, nor will it ever serve to increase the standing of ANY who would wish to adopt the same (or similar) principles. IMHO as ever.

Well spotted Free Spirit. (actually the son of the tailor in the story was from the Paphos region of Cyprus)

He wouldn't be from Stroumbi The Great by any chance would he?

[Floda]

As well as clueless , also a lunatic , I bet you undergo regular sessions of counselling . Cyprus having friends such as Adolf who needs enemies !!

I am afraid you would lose your bet (as usual).

Incidentally, since you are such an advocate of all that the USA deems to be acceptable, there is another interesting little story which seems to fit your pistol nicely.

During the American Civil War, there was a particular soldier who (being son of a Cypriot tailor) had a special uniform created for him. the one side was Blue and the other Grey.

In such apparel, he was able to join forces with whichever side was superior at any given time (similar to the 'BAT' in the previous story).

Unfortunately, due to the lack of (or over indulgence of) battlefield rations, the soldier (if one could attach such title to such scum) developed a large boil on his buttocks which required lancing.

The Surgeon, discovering the fact that his uniform was NOT of regulation to either side of the conflict, reported the matter to the Officer in command and he was dealt with in a manner not even worthy of a spy (who would usually be shot) rather, hanged from a tree with his uniform in tatters exposing his deception.

Around his neck was hung a sign declaring "This man is a Turncoat".

I do believe that THAT is the origin of the word now commonly used for those who attempt to don the attire or countenance of the 'BAT'.

No amount of collections for the needy, could ever erase the shame of that unspeakable treacherous treasonous dog, nor will it ever serve to increase the standing of ANY who would wish to adopt the same (or similar) principles. IMHO as ever.

Well spotted Free Spirit. (actually the son of the tailor in the story was from the Paphos region of Cyprus)

He wouldn't be from Stroumbi The Great by any chance would he?

I am not sure of the exact location but it would not surprise me if such WAS the case, young men from that rather select region were never particularly noted for either their 'Patriotism' or their 'Military Valour' by all accounts.

[Floda]

A rather interesting statement by Gordon Brown (who has been very reluctant to comment on the release of the Lockerbie bomber) was made by him yesterday.

He made a reference to a meeting he had with Colonel Gadaffi in the summer (which gave rise to this thread 'Mad Dogs and Scotsmen) and stated that "When I met Colonel Gadaffi, I made it quite clear that we (the British ?) had no role in the decision about al-Megrahi's future".

Colonel Gadaffi's son, speaking on Libyan Television, indicated that Tony Blair had raised the al-Megrahi case repeatedly in an effort to smooth the way for British firms to tap into Libya's energy reserves.

On channel Al-Mutawassit it was stated that "In all comercial contracts for Oil and Gas with Britain, al-Megrahi was always on the negotiating table."

Colonel Gadaffi personally thanked Gordon Brown for his help in securing the release of al-Megrahi.

So why all the secrecy and denials when such information is available to any who are prepared to search for it ?, such issues (and the cover-ups that invariably follow) can only add to the lack of confidence that the general public have for those that are supposedly placed in power to represent and protect them.

Inquiring minds want to know exactly what the British Government did to secure the release of al-Megrahi, it is shameful that once again, the spotlight is on the Leadership and it's reluctance to 'Face the Truth'.

Surely, those who suffered the loss of their loved ones (and others) deserve an explanation regarding the release of a man that is possibly or even probably innocent of the crime he was incarcerated for, surely there SHOULD be a public enquiry and extreme effort to discover the TRUTH surrounding the Lockerbie bombing, it would appear that by juggling legal procedures (and most of the political figures involved are well versed in, or have connections in, the process of law) no such enquiry or effort is now possible.

BUT, they cannot stop a man thinking.