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[demetriou_74]

dont get me wrong but he was a racist, scummy pervert. he deserved to be killed in the most painful way possible but some of his ideas were brutal and true. i have yet to find any other leader the the world that has reconstructed the entire country as well as revieving the hope and self-respect of the people. his military ideas were quite simply a load of shit but whathe did for Germany was great and that is why he is a genius.

[cannedmoose]

Your "genius" was the scum of the earth, as are his present-day neo-Nazi followers. If you happen to be one of them, as your stupid posts would seem to imply, then you, too are a scum who deserves nothing better than a spell of a few years in a concentration camp until you understand what his policies really meant. If you aren't, then the least that can be said is that you're a troll with no sense of decency and you should be banned from these forums.

Maybe a little strong devil, but I appreciate your point. Before he died I had lengthy conversations with my grandfather about his experiences in the second world war. He was one of the 'white berets', the merchant shipmen who took supplies to Russia via the Murmansk route - one of the most hazardous roles in the entire campaign. My grandfather was not an emotional man generally, but it remains with me today how he would visibly fight back the emotions within him when he talked about seeing mates drown, freeze to death etc.

I had the privilege of discussing the war with someone who went through it, but many of today's generation either don't have a family member alive who remembers that time, or are too busy playing shoot-em-ups on their Xbox. Therefore, while for you the emotions remain raw, you've got to remember that in demetriou's case, the war is just text on a page, or video on tv with bombs dropping and soldiers fighting up an unknown beach. I'm not excusing what he says about Hitler's genius, as I wrote earlier, I think to call that man a genius is not only false, but missing the point entirely, which is that he created a wasteland across Europe for 6 years, commanded the destruction of 12 million people in the concentration camps and put much of the continent back into the dark ages for years after. His only positive legacy... he made us realise how stupid we can be, how we can be swayed by rhetoric and bluster, and it made the statesman of Europe realise that we must create something to prevent our ever fighting again.

[demetriou_74]

moose this is true. as i was saying from the beggining what Hitler did to Europe and his mass murders makes him scum. but what he did to germany, on that aspect alone makes him a genius

[cannedmoose]

dont get me wrong but he was a racist, scummy pervert. he deserved to be killed in the most painful way possible but some of his ideas were brutal and true. i have yet to find any other leader the the world that has reconstructed the entire country as well as revieving the hope and self-respect of the people. his military ideas were quite simply a load of shit but whathe did for Germany was great and that is why he is a genius.

What you fail to mention re, is that Hitler's reconstruction of Germany was done on borrowed money. One of the reasons driving Hitler to expand Germany's borders was to pay for the monumental schemes he had in mind. Had Hitler stopped at the sudetenland and not sought further expansion he would have driven the country into bankruptcy.

As for reviving hope and self-respect, what he created was a myth. It flattered the ego of the German people and allowed Hitler to create the fallacy of their being a 'master race'. Tell someone they're perfect and if they're simple-minded enough, and you're charasmatic enough, they'll believe it.

If you want to admire anyone, you should admire Konrad Adenauer. He was imprisoned for his opposition to the Nazi's and as Germany's first post-war Chancellor presided over the rebuilding of West Germany in the midst of total economic disorder, a country with shattered morale, and a Soviet army standing on its borders. He restored friendly relations with France and the allied powers, established relations with the USSR and eastern bloc which resulted in the return of the last German prisoners of war from Siberia in 1955.

No wonder that the Germans recently voted him the greatest German of all time, ahead of people like Bismarck, Einstein, Gutenberg and J.S. Bach (although Hitler was excluded from the poll, before you point it out).

[demetriou_74]

dont get me wrong but he was a racist, scummy pervert. he deserved to be killed in the most painful way possible but some of his ideas were brutal and true. i have yet to find any other leader the the world that has reconstructed the entire country as well as revieving the hope and self-respect of the people. his military ideas were quite simply a load of shit but whathe did for Germany was great and that is why he is a genius.

What you fail to mention re, is that Hitler's reconstruction of Germany was done on borrowed money. One of the reasons driving Hitler to expand Germany's borders was to pay for the monumental schemes he had in mind. Had Hitler stopped at the sudetenland and not sought further expansion he would have driven the country into bankruptcy.

As for reviving hope and self-respect, what he created was a myth. It flattered the ego of the German people and allowed Hitler to create the fallacy of their being a 'master race'. Tell someone they're perfect and if they're simple-minded enough, and you're charasmatic enough, they'll believe it.

If you want to admire anyone, you should admire Konrad Adenauer. He was imprisoned for his opposition to the Nazi's and as Germany's first post-war Chancellor presided over the rebuilding of West Germany in the midst of total economic disorder, a country with shattered morale, and a Soviet army standing on its borders. He restored friendly relations with France and the allied powers, established relations with the USSR and eastern bloc which resulted in the return of the last German prisoners of war from Siberia in 1955.

No wonder that the Germans recently voted him the greatest German of all time, ahead of people like Bismarck, Einstein, Gutenberg and J.S. Bach (although Hitler was excluded from the poll, before you point it out).

yopu have changed my view but i still admire and use some of his quotes. however this is very off the topic so.

[Turkey (( *]

hitler was mentally sick,he destroyed the entire world.
its very ironic though......he managed to resurect germany from economic destruction and unemployment but at the same time he had signed the death penalty of his own country......
europe right now is financially going down again,i hope that another hitler will not appear from any country as the saviour again.....people of europe dont have the strenght anymore for such disasterous and deadly "adventures"....

But you see, don't you think that the Treaty of Versailles was very unfair to Germany! I am not surprised that Hitler and his followers had such vengeance and hatred against France and England and their allies!!!

[cannedmoose]

But you see, don't you think that the Treaty of Versailles was very unfair to Germany! I am not surprised that Hitler and his followers had such vengeance and hatred against France and England and their allies!!!

Yes it was, but you're incorrect when you say Hitler rose simply because he wanted 'vengeance', there was far more to it than that. Hitler railed against Versailles because he wanted power, nothing more. In Mein Kampf he actually writes in admiration of England and France as imperial powers, he did not intend to go to war with them as the lebensraum concept was directed purely at land in the east which he intended to take from the Soviets (who he really did despise, but for ideological and personal reasons rather than any legacy from WWI)

[city]

I was not going to get involved in this topic and I still won't.
(devil and cannedmoose have expressed also my opinion on this issue. Thanks)

Just one remark: demetriou, you know nothing, go to a decent school and take some history, humanism and ethics lessons!! Or otherwise don't get involved in such discussions.....