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[miltiades]

Kikapu has never been to the TRNC, I am also very suspiscious that he is a GC fighting their corner disguised as a TC, not once has put forward or supported anything remotely in favour of the TCs and their viewpoint. You will see his posts run us into the ground and he revels in ridiculing and degrading anything we put forward.

You wished that I was a GC, so that you can say "Kikapu is always beating me up because of my Fascistic views, because he is a GC and I'm a "Turk of Cyprus".!

I fight my corner as a Cypriot for the benefit for all Cypriots. I don't care if you are a GC, TC or any other numerical minorities in Cyprus.

Any proposals I put can only include True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws. Anything other than those principles, I do not support, so give me something to support that the TCs agree with the above principles. Recently I had asked you to do just that and your response was;

"Im not putting anything forward for you to rip to shreds, fell into that trap to many times."

A true Cypriot indeed and Kikapu has my utmost respect .We both stand for what is just and right for Cyprus not for what is Turkish and what is Greek.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu has never been to the TRNC, I am also very suspiscious that he is a GC fighting their corner disguised as a TC, not once has put forward or supported anything remotely in favour of the TCs and their viewpoint. You will see his posts run us into the ground and he revels in ridiculing and degrading anything we put forward.

You wished that I was a GC, so that you can say "Kikapu is always beating me up because of my Fascistic views, because he is a GC and I'm a "Turk of Cyprus".!

I fight my corner as a Cypriot for the benefit for all Cypriots. I don't care if you are a GC, TC or any other numerical minorities in Cyprus.

Any proposals I put can only include True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws. Anything other than those principles, I do not support, so give me something to support that the TCs agree with the above principles. Recently I had asked you to do just that and your response was;

"Im not putting anything forward for you to rip to shreds, fell into that trap to many times."

A true Cypriot indeed and Kikapu has my utmost respect .We both stand for what is just and right for Cyprus not for what is Turkish and what is Greek.

So you support the fact the he has not once supported or defended an arguement put forward by any TCs, at least you have from time to time you have supported or defended us unlike Kikapu, that in itself speaks volumes.

[Kikapu]

Peace and freedom are the most precious elements of life and TC's now have the freedom, no matter they are slaves to Turkey they DO have peace in their land...

I'm sorry but if they are slaves to Turkey they are not free.

Yes, they have peace, as the slaves in ancient Rome had peace serving their masters... before joining Spartacus's slave army to fight for the freedom they yearned for more than peace.

They are more free than Turkish citizens with no doubt!

This may be true, but they are Cypriot and EU citizens. And compared to their countrymen in the south, they are, as you say, slaves.

I don't think it really bothers them. They must be happy with what they have, otherwise they would have asked the Turkish Army to leave by now.

First of all, the overwhelming majority in the north are settlers,

LOL if you will feel more comfortable you call me idiot

I don't know you well enough to call you an Idiot. My guess is that you are NOT an Idiot, but only time will determine if you are an Idiot or not. That's how we got to find out about YFred by the way.!

I am an expat;not a settler

Hehehehe, that's a new one. How can I call you an Idiot, when you come up with such phrases. I'm surprised the Israelis did not come up with that one first as to the status of all the Israelis in the Occupied Palestinian Lands. Are they also "expats" or settlers.?? Gee, I don't know, because the world seems to think they are ALL settlers. What do you think, "expat", I mean, Alpeis.?

and the overwhelming majority in the North are not settlers.

You need to look up the definition as to what "settler" really means and not what you want for it to mean, then you will know the answer.!

Seemingly you have no idea about the numbers of settlers or also what a settler means.

OK, now that you have contradicted me, why don't you tell us who the overwhelming majority in the north are and what the definition of what a "settler" means.

If you are going to say overwhelming majority are the "trnc citizens", you need to get back to what the definition of settler is first before you can make that claim. Anyone other than true TCs who are the citizens of Cyprus who have not gotten permission of the RoC, does not belong in the north. Anyone else not authorized by the RoC who are in the north, then they are in fact there illegally or as Illegal Aliens, which is what you would fall under, if not a settler. Since the UN and the EU recognises that the whole island falls under the territory of the RoC and you are not a Cypriot and have entered the country through illegal ports, you can only be an Illegal Alien. So in many ways Alpeis, you are part of the overall problem in Cyprus and your use of the term "expat" just goes to show your overall arrogance that you think you can just break the laws of other sovereign countries for your own pleasures. Do you also have no respect for International and sovereign country laws.??

Should I take the rest of your passage into account which starts with false hearsay information. I never talk on a matter which I am not sure or lack the knowledge of.

Well, I'm waiting with your "true facts" over my so called "hearsays".

You would better do the same otherwise people would not find you worth speaking. It's just a friendly recommendation, don't take it offensive

Yeah, thanks for the advice, but you work side of the tracks and I'll work mine.!

If you want to talk about the real facts here I am, otherwise there is no point to discuss anything for nothing

You don't address anything anyway when I ask you something, so what's there to discuss with you, but let me ask you a very simple question all the same. Is this your first time on the Cyprus Forum (this forum) or have you been here before under another nick, because from some of your writings and terminology used, I have a reason to believe you are not new to this forum. Would you like to elaborate on my question please.

And by the way, what happened to the 4 young TC men who were arrested for writing graffiti for the occupying force to leave the island by writing something like "Yankee go home"! Were they not arrested, brought in front of the Military Court, had their home searched and god know what else, and you still tell us that the TCs can tell the military to leave if they don’t want them in Cyprus any longer.!

[YFred]

Peace and freedom are the most precious elements of life and TC's now have the freedom, no matter they are slaves to Turkey they DO have peace in their land...

I'm sorry but if they are slaves to Turkey they are not free.

Yes, they have peace, as the slaves in ancient Rome had peace serving their masters... before joining Spartacus's slave army to fight for the freedom they yearned for more than peace.

They are more free than Turkish citizens with no doubt!

This may be true, but they are Cypriot and EU citizens. And compared to their countrymen in the south, they are, as you say, slaves.

I don't think it really bothers them. They must be happy with what they have, otherwise they would have asked the Turkish Army to leave by now.

First of all, the overwhelming majority in the north are settlers,

LOL if you will feel more comfortable you call me idiot

I don't know you well enough to call you an Idiot. My guess is that you are NOT an Idiot, but only time will determine if you are an Idiot or not. That's how we got to find out about YFred by the way.!

I am an expat;not a settler

Hehehehe, that's a new one. How can I call you an Idiot, when you come up with such phrases. I'm surprised the Israelis did not come up with that one first as to the status of all the Israelis in the Occupied Palestinian Lands. Are they also "expats" or settlers.?? Gee, I don't know, because the world seems to think they are ALL settlers. What do you think, "expat", I mean, Alpeis.?

and the overwhelming majority in the North are not settlers.

You need to look up the definition as to what "settler" really means and not what you want for it to mean, then you will know the answer.!

Seemingly you have no idea about the numbers of settlers or also what a settler means.

OK, now that you have contradicted me, why don't you tell us who the overwhelming majority in the north are and what the definition of what a "settler" means.

If you are going to say overwhelming majority are the "trnc citizens", you need to get back to what the definition of settler is first before you can make that claim. Anyone other than true TCs who are the citizens of Cyprus who have not gotten permission of the RoC, does not belong in the north. Anyone else not authorized by the RoC who are in the north, then they are in fact there illegally or as Illegal Aliens, which is what you would fall under, if not a settler. Since the UN and the EU recognises that the whole island falls under the territory of the RoC and you are not a Cypriot and have entered the country through illegal ports, you can only be an Illegal Alien. So in many ways Alpeis, you are part of the overall problem in Cyprus and your use of the term "expat" just goes to show your overall arrogance that you think you can just break the laws of other sovereign countries for your own pleasures. Do you also have no respect for International and sovereign country laws.??

Should I take the rest of your passage into account which starts with false hearsay information. I never talk on a matter which I am not sure or lack the knowledge of.

Well, I'm waiting with your "true facts" over my so called "hearsays".

You would better do the same otherwise people would not find you worth speaking. It's just a friendly recommendation, don't take it offensive

Yeah, thanks for the advice, but you work side of the tracks and I'll work mine.!

If you want to talk about the real facts here I am, otherwise there is no point to discuss anything for nothing

You don't address anything anyway when I ask you something, so what's there to discuss with you, but let me ask you a very simple question all the same. Is this your first time on the Cyprus Forum (this forum) or have you been here before under another nick, because from some of your writings and terminology used, I have a reason to believe you are not new to this forum. Would you like to elaborate on my question please.

And by the way, what happened to the 4 young TC men who were arrested for writing graffiti for the occupying force to leave the island by writing something like "Yankee go home"! Were they not arrested, brought in front of the Military Court, had their home searched and god know what else, and you still tell us that the TCs can tell the military to leave if they don’t want them in Cyprus any longer.!

Mr Kikapoo, it takes one to know one, old boy. What?

[Kikapu]

If he has never lived here obviously it would be hard for him to "know" what is for the "benefit of all Cypriots", if there really is such a thing in the first place

So what are you saying, Shah, that one has to live in the country to know that Democracy, Human Rights and International laws are what is expected of them so that they can be part of the western values system and in particular, to be part of the EU with their principles which also involves Freedom of Movement. If that's the case, why don't I hear any support on this from the Fascist forum members who live in the north, or don't you think those living in the north do not deserve the above principles. If your answer is a NO, that they don't deserve it, then you must be happy with everything that is going on in the north, therefore I don't know why the north wants to be part of the EU. I live far away from the north, and yet, I want the best for the TCs, and the best can only come from the above principles, because without those principle, you got what you have today, a "corrupted society", ruled by Turkey, under occupation per the UN and the EU, outnumbered by the settlers/ Illegal Aliens who are now in a position to out-vote you and impose their rules on you, starting with building up mosques and religious fanaticism that you hate so much, just because the TC leaders in the past have sold the TCs votes to the settlers.

I don't need to be there to know what most decent TCs want. They don’t want to live in a “corrupted society”, Shah, by continually being lead by the nose with promises of their own land that will be built mostly on stolen GC land. The present situation only seems to serve the interest of all the morally corrupted Fascist NeoPartitionist who are enjoying in committing the “Sins of Haram” with the GCs properties and since partition is never going to happen, unless of course the GCs agree to it, you are only left with two choices. Continue with the present situation, in which case you should not make any complaints at all regarding the mosques or embargoes imposed on the north, or change to a western style values with the above principles to be included in a settlement, which will benefit all Cypriots. Anything else is not worth talking about, so lets not.!

[Kikapu]

Kikapu has never been to the TRNC, I am also very suspiscious that he is a GC fighting their corner disguised as a TC, not once has put forward or supported anything remotely in favour of the TCs and their viewpoint. You will see his posts run us into the ground and he revels in ridiculing and degrading anything we put forward.

You wished that I was a GC, so that you can say "Kikapu is always beating me up because of my Fascistic views, because he is a GC and I'm a "Turk of Cyprus".!

I fight my corner as a Cypriot for the benefit for all Cypriots. I don't care if you are a GC, TC or any other numerical minorities in Cyprus.

Any proposals I put can only include True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws. Anything other than those principles, I do not support, so give me something to support that the TCs agree with the above principles. Recently I had asked you to do just that and your response was;

"Im not putting anything forward for you to rip to shreds, fell into that trap to many times."

A true Cypriot indeed and Kikapu has my utmost respect .We both stand for what is just and right for Cyprus not for what is Turkish and what is Greek.

So you support the fact the he has not once supported or defended an arguement put forward by any TCs, at least you have from time to time you have supported or defended us unlike Kikapu, that in itself speaks volumes.

I gave the TCs a wonderful BBF Power sharing plan but you refused, because it was not the Annan Plan, so you did not like it. What I gave you is what you will be force to accept as far as Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and the EU Principles goes if the north or Turkey ever wants to be in the EU. "The Racist AP Train" left the station in 2004 and it is long gone. You better get use to that fact, because it is on a one-way trip to nowhere and it's not coming back.................R.I.P.!

"Kikapu's "BBF" Power Sharing Plan.!"

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

[YFred]

Kikapu has never been to the TRNC, I am also very suspiscious that he is a GC fighting their corner disguised as a TC, not once has put forward or supported anything remotely in favour of the TCs and their viewpoint. You will see his posts run us into the ground and he revels in ridiculing and degrading anything we put forward.

You wished that I was a GC, so that you can say "Kikapu is always beating me up because of my Fascistic views, because he is a GC and I'm a "Turk of Cyprus".!

I fight my corner as a Cypriot for the benefit for all Cypriots. I don't care if you are a GC, TC or any other numerical minorities in Cyprus.

Any proposals I put can only include True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws. Anything other than those principles, I do not support, so give me something to support that the TCs agree with the above principles. Recently I had asked you to do just that and your response was;

"Im not putting anything forward for you to rip to shreds, fell into that trap to many times."

A true Cypriot indeed and Kikapu has my utmost respect .We both stand for what is just and right for Cyprus not for what is Turkish and what is Greek.

So you support the fact the he has not once supported or defended an arguement put forward by any TCs, at least you have from time to time you have supported or defended us unlike Kikapu, that in itself speaks volumes.

I gave the TCs a wonderful BBF Power sharing plan but you refused, because it was not the Annan Plan, so you did not like it. What I gave you is what you will be force to accept as far as Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and the EU Principles goes if the north or Turkey ever wants to be in the EU. "The Racist AP Train" left the station in 2004 and it is long gone. You better get use to that fact, because it is on a one-way trip to nowhere and it's not coming back.................R.I.P.!

"Kikapu's "BBF" Power Sharing Plan.!"

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

Those bloody unappreciative TCs, they don’t know a good thing even if it hits them like a steam train hey? I hope you sent the famous plan to Mr T and Mr X. They needed a bit of cheering up, and I am absolutely certain it would have worked.

You are wasted on this forum. Have you tried your luck on the comedy circuit? You may get a few laughs, but work on it and don’t give up your day job for a while, old boy, you know what I mean?

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu has never been to the TRNC, I am also very suspiscious that he is a GC fighting their corner disguised as a TC, not once has put forward or supported anything remotely in favour of the TCs and their viewpoint. You will see his posts run us into the ground and he revels in ridiculing and degrading anything we put forward.

You wished that I was a GC, so that you can say "Kikapu is always beating me up because of my Fascistic views, because he is a GC and I'm a "Turk of Cyprus".!

I fight my corner as a Cypriot for the benefit for all Cypriots. I don't care if you are a GC, TC or any other numerical minorities in Cyprus.

Any proposals I put can only include True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws. Anything other than those principles, I do not support, so give me something to support that the TCs agree with the above principles. Recently I had asked you to do just that and your response was;

"Im not putting anything forward for you to rip to shreds, fell into that trap to many times."

A true Cypriot indeed and Kikapu has my utmost respect .We both stand for what is just and right for Cyprus not for what is Turkish and what is Greek.

So you support the fact the he has not once supported or defended an arguement put forward by any TCs, at least you have from time to time you have supported or defended us unlike Kikapu, that in itself speaks volumes.

I gave the TCs a wonderful BBF Power sharing plan but you refused, because it was not the Annan Plan, so you did not like it. What I gave you is what you will be force to accept as far as Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and the EU Principles goes if the north or Turkey ever wants to be in the EU. "The Racist AP Train" left the station in 2004 and it is long gone. You better get use to that fact, because it is on a one-way trip to nowhere and it's not coming back.................R.I.P.!

"Kikapu's "BBF" Power Sharing Plan.!"

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

What you tried to fool us with was a death trap..total capituation.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu has never been to the TRNC, I am also very suspiscious that he is a GC fighting their corner disguised as a TC, not once has put forward or supported anything remotely in favour of the TCs and their viewpoint. You will see his posts run us into the ground and he revels in ridiculing and degrading anything we put forward.

You wished that I was a GC, so that you can say "Kikapu is always beating me up because of my Fascistic views, because he is a GC and I'm a "Turk of Cyprus".!

I fight my corner as a Cypriot for the benefit for all Cypriots. I don't care if you are a GC, TC or any other numerical minorities in Cyprus.

Any proposals I put can only include True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws. Anything other than those principles, I do not support, so give me something to support that the TCs agree with the above principles. Recently I had asked you to do just that and your response was;

"Im not putting anything forward for you to rip to shreds, fell into that trap to many times."

A true Cypriot indeed and Kikapu has my utmost respect .We both stand for what is just and right for Cyprus not for what is Turkish and what is Greek.

So you support the fact the he has not once supported or defended an arguement put forward by any TCs, at least you have from time to time you have supported or defended us unlike Kikapu, that in itself speaks volumes.

I gave the TCs a wonderful BBF Power sharing plan but you refused, because it was not the Annan Plan, so you did not like it. What I gave you is what you will be force to accept as far as Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and the EU Principles goes if the north or Turkey ever wants to be in the EU. "The Racist AP Train" left the station in 2004 and it is long gone. You better get use to that fact, because it is on a one-way trip to nowhere and it's not coming back.................R.I.P.!

"Kikapu's "BBF" Power Sharing Plan.!"

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

Those bloody unappreciative TCs, they don’t know a good thing even if it hits them like a steam train hey? I hope you sent the famous plan to Mr T and Mr X. They needed a bit of cheering up, and I am absolutely certain it would have worked.

You are wasted on this forum. Have you tried your luck on the comedy circuit? You may get a few laughs, but work on it and don’t give up your day job for a while, old boy, you know what I mean?

Is that the best you can do to try and demoralize me, YFred.??

Did you read any part of that plan? Actually, that was a rhetorical question, because I know you refuse to read anything, other than Racist NeoPartitionist crap. Your brain is as liquid as a Clam Chowder Soup my friend. New England style I may add, because that's how your brain's Grey Matter would look like as a soup.!

Now, go and read the plan and stop bothering me with your idiotic posts and let me when you are ready to apologize for your previous comments. Don't make the mistake of taking my kindness to you up to this point as a sign of weakness.! Idiots often do, otherwise you will live to regret it, if you did.!

[Kikapu]

Kikapu has never been to the TRNC, I am also very suspiscious that he is a GC fighting their corner disguised as a TC, not once has put forward or supported anything remotely in favour of the TCs and their viewpoint. You will see his posts run us into the ground and he revels in ridiculing and degrading anything we put forward.

You wished that I was a GC, so that you can say "Kikapu is always beating me up because of my Fascistic views, because he is a GC and I'm a "Turk of Cyprus".!

I fight my corner as a Cypriot for the benefit for all Cypriots. I don't care if you are a GC, TC or any other numerical minorities in Cyprus.

Any proposals I put can only include True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws. Anything other than those principles, I do not support, so give me something to support that the TCs agree with the above principles. Recently I had asked you to do just that and your response was;

"Im not putting anything forward for you to rip to shreds, fell into that trap to many times."

A true Cypriot indeed and Kikapu has my utmost respect .We both stand for what is just and right for Cyprus not for what is Turkish and what is Greek.

So you support the fact the he has not once supported or defended an arguement put forward by any TCs, at least you have from time to time you have supported or defended us unlike Kikapu, that in itself speaks volumes.

I gave the TCs a wonderful BBF Power sharing plan but you refused, because it was not the Annan Plan, so you did not like it. What I gave you is what you will be force to accept as far as Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and the EU Principles goes if the north or Turkey ever wants to be in the EU. "The Racist AP Train" left the station in 2004 and it is long gone. You better get use to that fact, because it is on a one-way trip to nowhere and it's not coming back.................R.I.P.!

"Kikapu's "BBF" Power Sharing Plan.!"

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

What you tried to fool us with was a death trap..total capituation.

Says the Idiot who does not believe in Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws. I say idiot, because I laid everything in plain English for you and you still thought it was another version of the Annan plan in the beginning. After you were told it was not another AP, you started to sulk, so don't pretend now that you discovered something that was hidden. You couldn't find your way out of maze without directions, let alone finding hidden parts in my plan. If you were so good discovering disguised plans, how come you did not discover that the AP was actually a partition plan, because even today, after 5 years, you are stuck on that plan as if it was the second coming of Christ. Well, then again, it was, wasn't it, but you will never admit to it, because you are morally corrupted who would knowingly accept such a Racist and Disgusting plan. That just about sums up all you Fascist NeoPartitionist.

I guess you are happy that Talat wants to negotiate on territorial split where he wants to give less land to the GCs than the AP did, which means you are going to have around 150,000 GC refugees right to return to the north who will be equal with you in numbers, after 50,000 settlers have been given Cypriot citizenship that is. Therefore, from day one, you will be 50-50 with the GCs in everything in the north, from the upper house to all the state offices, because unlike the AP, the EU will not have any permanent derogations. This means that the game is over for the TCs in the north, because with this kind of an advantage given to the GCs from day one, if each GC family brought just one more family member to come and live with them a little later on, the population in the north is going to be 60%-40% for the GCs in no time, and with their democratic voice, they will ask to unite with the south state. My plan was the reverse which would have had very few GCs from day one. I hope you are happy with Talat, because I have told you before, that in this case, more land is not better for the TCs under "BBF" Federation which is what the UN resolutions call for and specially with no permanent derogations from the EU.!