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[YFred]

Well the so called "Kurdistan" is not even "there" in practice Dr J, not within the borders of Turkey anyway.

By the clarification that personally i consider Kurds of Turkey far of being Greeks allies (the opposide i consider) i can not understand how it happen almoast 20 million people to not exist.

You will find the Brits are behind that one, and in particular Edward Heath.

[shahmaran]

Well the so called "Kurdistan" is not even "there" in practice Dr J, not within the borders of Turkey anyway.

By the clarification that personally i consider Kurds of Turkey far of being Greeks allies (the opposide i consider) i can not understand how it happen almoast 20 million people to not exist.

Oh they do exist Epsilon.

Just not in the analogical way Dr J has used the word "K-U-R-D-I-S-T-A-N" in reply to my previous post.

They do not exist in Turkey as we exist on Cyprus.

They may do in Northern Iraq NOW with the help of the US, but that's not directly Turkeys problem.

Whether people like it or not, we do have a democratic state here of our own, with its laws, taxation, army and everything else you would find in any other country.

The legality is another issue.

So how is that comparable to the way the Kurd's exist in Turkey?

[Nikitas]

Whether you like it or not what you have up there is a mini Stalinist state that trives on corruption, land theft, servility and betrayal of its own culture. You made TCs extinct and you have the nerve to talk about sovereignty and state and such bullshit. There are fewer TCs in Cyprus now than there were in 1930, this is the accomplishment of the struggle of TMT and the "peace operation'".

[Nikitas]

Whether you like it or not what you have up there is a mini Stalinist state that trives on corruption, land theft, servility and betrayal of its own culture. You made TCs extinct and you have the nerve to talk about sovereignty and state and such bullshit. There are fewer TCs in Cyprus now than there were in 1930, this is the accomplishment of the struggle of TMT and the "peace operation'".

[YFred]

Whether you like it or not what you have up there is a mini Stalinist state that trives on corruption, land theft, servility and betrayal of its own culture. You made TCs extinct and you have the nerve to talk about sovereignty and state and such bullshit. There are fewer TCs in Cyprus now than there were in 1930, this is the accomplishment of the struggle of TMT and the "peace operation'".

And are the RoC's hands clean on this matter?

[Nikitas]

On the matter of making TCs extinct, yes the RoC has clean hands. Since 1974 you put the fate of TCs squarely in the hand of Turkey, and this is the outcome, a decrease of 60 per cent in TCs. Give them time and they will implement their version of the "final solution" on TCs.

[YFred]

On the matter of making TCs extinct, yes the RoC has clean hands. Since 1974 you put the fate of TCs squarely in the hand of Turkey, and this is the outcome, a decrease of 60 per cent in TCs. Give them time and they will implement their version of the "final solution" on TCs.

So implementation of the economic suffocation with love by the RoC to this day had nothing to do with it what so ever.

[Dr J]

Nikitas, the reason for Turkish Cypriot decline in Cyprus is staring them right in the face but people like YFred are too wrapped up in Turkish nationalism to admit the truth.

[Dr J]

Infact, adding to the issue of Turkey abandoning the term 'Turkish Cypriot' and replacing it with 'Turk of Cyprus', in years to come you will have Cypriots from the south and Turks in the north, giving the Greek Cypriot struggle in the Cyprus problem more sympathy across the world.

[Nikitas]

I looked into this accusation of economic suffocation out of personal interest.

Since 2004 the EU applied the Green Line regulations. Inorder to prevent hardship for TC businessmen the EU forced the RoC to accept shipping certification issued by the TC Chamber of Commerce. Goods certified by the Chamber of Commerce can be freely exported from Larnaca and Limassol by ship and Larnaca and Paphos by air. There is no "suffocation" by the RoC. Yet the TCs are clamouring that these measures are not enough. What they want is to use direct shipping from Famagusta and Ercan. And this while they keep three divisions of Turkish troops on the island, still keep out 45000 inhabitants from Famagusta and all displaced persons from the north.

In effect the TC leadership wants the EU to legalise their occupation and their Salinist quasi state under the guise of lifting the "isolation" and the "embargoes". But not all TC businessmen accept this mickey mouse setup. TC grown potatoes are on sale in Athens supermarkets, so some products are being exported via Larnaca and Limassol.