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[Nikitas]

The liberation of Turkey will arrive the day they stop revering Kemal as a saint. But that day is a long way off.

From their point of view Kemal is the only thing that keeps chaos at bay. The talk of secularism etc is just that, talk. Turkish society has not developed to the point where it can function without such "saints". Without the Kemal crutch the other alternative is Islam.

[shahmaran]

Lets all belive Viewpoint - Greek Cypriots are all brainwashed Christian weirdos and Viewpoint is intelligent HAHAHA

You could say Turkish naitonalism is even more extreme than many religious believers. Look at the way they act with insulting 'Turkism' or looking up to Ataturk almost as if he was a Turkish prophet lol

Actually Dr J different versions of the 301 exists in all countries.

Just another good example of Greek racist bull crap that has been marketed as "Greek feta cheese" to the whole world

[shahmaran]

The liberation of Turkey will arrive the day they stop revering Kemal as a saint. But that day is a long way off.

From their point of view Kemal is the only thing that keeps chaos at bay. The talk of secularism etc is just that, talk. Turkish society has not developed to the point where it can function without such "saints". Without the Kemal crutch the other alternative is Islam.

How can you separate Turkey and Islam Nikitas?

Kemalism just tries to keep it out of the government.

Of course with the arrival of the AKP it has slightly changed and they are more like you now, run by religious morons.

[Dr J]

OK - So all countries have a legislation to send someone to jail if they print an article stating something negative about the country's society.

Call me racist all you want, its more Turkish nationalist bullshit from you. Which is part of the bigger picture why Turkey has so many enemies around its borders and why it will begin to disintegrate soon.

[Oracle]

Actually Dr J different versions of the 301 exists in all countries.

You are very good at hiding behind generalised statements to cover for Turkey's extremist positions on matters which exist in all countries.

Punishments for breaking Laws exist in all countries; but is that an adequate excuse for Turkey's heavy-handedness?

[Pax]

Lets all belive Viewpoint - Greek Cypriots are all brainwashed Christian weirdos and Viewpoint is intelligent HAHAHA

You could say Turkish naitonalism is even more extreme than many religious believers. Look at the way they act with insulting 'Turkism' or looking up to Ataturk almost as if he was a Turkish prophet lol

Actually Dr J different versions of the 301 exists in all countries.

Just another good example of Greek racist bull crap that has been marketed as "Greek feta cheese" to the whole world

Not so. In the UK I can publish a statement such as "Elisabeth Windsor has sold the UK to papist childmolesters" and at worst the queen might sue me for libel but more than likely I'd be ignored. I could also say without fear of prosecution that "Former chiefs of staff and ministers of defence have been involved in corruption and bribery in a number of defence sales contracts." Substitute in the first sentence Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, and substitute in the second sentence Basbug and publish it in Turkey and see what you get ?

I could give you hundreds of utterly absurd cases where Article 301 of the Penal Code have been applied. No serious democrat could defend 301. Article 301 is a complete offence against the basic democratic rights of the Turkish people. It is simply not true that all other countries have similar laws.

[shahmaran]

Actually Dr J different versions of the 301 exists in all countries.

You are very good at hiding behind generalised statements to cover for Turkey's extremist positions on matters which exist in all countries.

Punishments for breaking Laws exist in all countries; but is that an adequate excuse for Turkey's heavy-handedness?

I am just good at pointing out how bias and racist your ignorance is.

Same goes for you too Dr J.

There are no brownie points for hypocrisy

[shahmaran]

Lets all belive Viewpoint - Greek Cypriots are all brainwashed Christian weirdos and Viewpoint is intelligent HAHAHA

You could say Turkish naitonalism is even more extreme than many religious believers. Look at the way they act with insulting 'Turkism' or looking up to Ataturk almost as if he was a Turkish prophet lol

Actually Dr J different versions of the 301 exists in all countries.

Just another good example of Greek racist bull crap that has been marketed as "Greek feta cheese" to the whole world

Not so. In the UK I can publish a statement such as "Elisabeth Windsor has sold the UK to papist childmolesters" and at worst the queen might sue me for libel but more than likely I'd be ignored. I could also say without fear of prosecution that "Former chiefs of staff and ministers of defence have been involved in corruption and bribery in a number of defence sales contracts." Substitute in the first sentence Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, and substitute in the second sentence Basbug and publish it in Turkey and see what you get ?

I could give you hundreds of utterly absurd cases where Article 301 of the Penal Code have been applied. No serious democrat could defend 301. Article 301 is a complete offence against the basic democratic rights of the Turkish people. It is simply not true that all other countries have similar laws.

If you are out for a simple insult then you will get what you deserve.

If your allegations are based on serious facts then you wont.

People CAN criticize without insulting and they do.

You should just listen to the old speeches of Tayip, is he in jail?

End of.

[EPSILON]

I have no issued with Ataturk statues in Cyprus, as much as I find them to be pretty much meaningless here, specially in such numbers.

But those fucking mosques! God dam it!

These religious morons multiply like cockroaches and build their shit all over the place in such numbers that most of them are practically empty because there just isn't enough religious people on this side of the island, TC's don't give a shit about Islam, why can't they see it!

These stinking bastards are the people that need to be kicked out, not the hard working immigrants.

I am on your point- despite our differences it would be very bad for all, T/cs to be guided to an Anatolian culture which they never had.

[Oracle]

Actually Dr J different versions of the 301 exists in all countries.

You are very good at hiding behind generalised statements to cover for Turkey's extremist positions on matters which exist in all countries.

Punishments for breaking Laws exist in all countries; but is that an adequate excuse for Turkey's heavy-handedness?

I am just good at pointing out how bias and racist your ignorance is.

Same goes for you too Dr J.

There are no brownie points for hypocrisy

So, the fact that you tried to hide behind the veneer of other countries having some measure of control over freedom of speech, in order to absolve Turkey of her draconian, punitive measures against freedom, is not hypocrisy?