shahmaran wrote:Tim Drayton wrote:shahmaran wrote:Tim Drayton wrote:Shahmaran, mate, you are usually on the ball but you have got your facts wrong here. There are two conflicting principles that may be applied in determining who is entitled to citizenship, known in Latin as jus sanguinis and jus soli.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinisJus sanguinis (Latin: right of blood) is a social policy by which nationality or citizenship is not determined by place of birth, but by having an ancestor who is a national or citizen of the state. It contrasts with jus soli (Latin for "right of soil").
Certain European countries apply the principle of jus sanguinis , such that, for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_nationality_lawPolish nationality law is based upon the principles of jus sanguinis. Children born to Polish parents usually acquire citizenship irrespective of place of birth. Persons born in Poland to foreign parents do not normally become Polish citizens.
You will find that traditionally the Republic of Turkey has also applied the principle of jus sanguinis . If you study the text of law 403 concerning Turkish Nationality, you will find that persons born on Turkish soil to parents who were not Turkish nationals generally did not qualify for Turkish citizenship. This situation has been rectified in the recent law number 5901 which has replaced the earlier law.
Here you go Tim, its from the website of the Turkish consulate.
Let me also add that I know many people who have optained British passports by simply having been born there with no other family members having any ties to the UK.
I will not speak for the rest of the EU because I am not familiar with them as much.APPLYING FOR TURKISH NATIONALITY:
According to Turkish Nationality Act (numbered 403), a foreigner should meet the following requirements in order to apply for Turkish nationality.
*He/She should be at the age of consent according to his/her national law (if he/she is not a citizen of any country, Turkish law is taken into consideration which requires 18 years old as the age of consent).
*He/She should reside in Turkey for the last five years and should have the intention of settling in Turkey (This condition may not be applicable to those who are married to a Turkish national or those who are with Turkish origin).
*He/She should be in good health.
*He/She should speak Turkish.
*He/She should have enough financial resources to support himself/herself and his/her family in Turkey.
The country you call fascist has actually done a better job then you have regarding citizenship laws.
Put that to a side, we are talking about a so called "Republic" which works hard to rid its country from its citizens with "Cyprus blood" but of other ethnicity's. I believe the "RoC" is working hard to support its "minority status" strategy, and this is just a part of that. This is not a "defence" but it's a right down "attack".
So my comments from my previous post still stand very strong and I am yet to see you give me a good excuse for the actions of the "RoC" which are not based on the racist propaganda version of the islands "history", but real reasons to why a person who was born and raised in Cyprus with a Cypriot mother, cannot qualify for a citizenship of the so called "free areas", free being the key word here...
Shahmaran, the information that you provide about Turkey is for foreigners who wish to apply for citizenship by naturalisation, and not about people who automatically qualify as citizens. 'Apply' being the key word becuase the application can be granted or denied. The RoC also has provisions for foreigners to apply for citizenship by naturalisation based on residence. This is just a red herring and has nothing to do with issue at hand.
You are obviously confusing me with somebody else, because it makes me angry too to hear Turkey described as fascist. I have frequently opposed this argument in various threads on this forum. However, please don't start lecturing me about the rules for foreigners in Turkey. I lived in that country for a very long time and know how many impassable barriers that country imposes to make sure that foreigners can do little more than breathe the air there. I had a British mate, male, who married a Turkish citizen and had two Turkish-citizen children. Yet the Turkish authorities would give him neither citizenship, residence rights nor even the right to earn a living with the sweat of his own brow. I know the great difficulties he had in relocating to the UK with his family - because he had no other choice - although he is doing well now. If you really want to go on about countries that discriminate in the matter of citizenship and residence, how about criticisng your own motherland a bit?
Yes, the UK bases its citizenship rules on jus soli and not jus sanguinis and so, as you say, anybody born there is entitled to citizenship. This has nothing to do with any "European principles", but rather with the legal basis for citizenship in the UK. The RoC elected to base its citizenship on the jus sanguinis principle, and this is the explanation for this difference, not some kind of discrimination.
Sorry Tim, I wasn't referring to you about the "fascist" comments, just wrote an overall reply for everyone who commented on my previous post.
I do not see how any of these examples compare to the case I mentioned. We are not talking about some foreigner here, we are talking about a person who was born and raised in Cyprus with a Cypriot mother. There is no excuse.
If this is how the RoC operated before then its time to change its laws and if they have adopted this law after 74 than it is no surprise that they have conveniently followed laws that would discriminate in such way.
Can you give me examples of other countries who follow this kind of laws?
Fair points.
It appears that Cyprus is bound by Annex D - I cannot find the text of this online - to the Treaty of Establishment which governs citizenship. The 1967 citizenship law was of necessity framed on the basis of this annex. As in a lot of matters, Cyprus's hands are tied by the 1959/1960 agreements. Perhaps the RoC has no other choice than to impose the rule that children born of foreign fathers and Cypriot mothers do not automatically qualify for citizenship because this is in the Annex. I frankly do not know. As I have said, it appears that if I as a British citizen living in Cyprus married a Cypriot woman, any children born out of that marriage would not be automatically entitled to Cypriot citizenship. In other words, as far as I can see, this law applies to everybody not just to those with Turkish fathers.
Anway, I am logging off now and plan to go to Troodos tomorrow, so that is it for me as far as this thread is concerned.
That is why you are so upset that those Turkish friends of yours can't get the Cyprus citizenship and they are stuck with the crappy Turkish one and the useless fake "trnc" one 
