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[denizaksulu]

One grandson had a nuisance rattle. He would rattle it constantly. His parents allowed him to carry on because it drew attention to him which made him happy.

[shahmaran]

Shahmaran, mate, you are usually on the ball but you have got your facts wrong here. There are two conflicting principles that may be applied in determining who is entitled to citizenship, known in Latin as jus sanguinis and jus soli.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis

Jus sanguinis (Latin: right of blood) is a social policy by which nationality or citizenship is not determined by place of birth, but by having an ancestor who is a national or citizen of the state. It contrasts with jus soli (Latin for "right of soil").

Certain European countries apply the principle of jus sanguinis , such that, for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_nationality_law

Polish nationality law is based upon the principles of jus sanguinis. Children born to Polish parents usually acquire citizenship irrespective of place of birth. Persons born in Poland to foreign parents do not normally become Polish citizens.

You will find that traditionally the Republic of Turkey has also applied the principle of jus sanguinis . If you study the text of law 403 concerning Turkish Nationality, you will find that persons born on Turkish soil to parents who were not Turkish nationals generally did not qualify for Turkish citizenship. This situation has been rectified in the recent law number 5901 which has replaced the earlier law.

Here you go Tim, its from the website of the Turkish consulate.

Let me also add that I know many people who have optained British passports by simply having been born there with no other family members having any ties to the UK.

I will not speak for the rest of the EU because I am not familiar with them as much.

APPLYING FOR TURKISH NATIONALITY:


According to Turkish Nationality Act (numbered 403), a foreigner should meet the following requirements in order to apply for Turkish nationality.

*He/She should be at the age of consent according to his/her national law (if he/she is not a citizen of any country, Turkish law is taken into consideration which requires 18 years old as the age of consent).
*He/She should reside in Turkey for the last five years and should have the intention of settling in Turkey (This condition may not be applicable to those who are married to a Turkish national or those who are with Turkish origin).
*He/She should be in good health.
*He/She should speak Turkish.
*He/She should have enough financial resources to support himself/herself and his/her family in Turkey.

The country you call fascist has actually done a better job then you have regarding citizenship laws.

Put that to a side, we are talking about a so called "Republic" which works hard to rid its country from its citizens with "Cyprus blood" but of other ethnicity's. I believe the "RoC" is working hard to support its "minority status" strategy, and this is just a part of that. This is not a "defence" but it's a right down "attack".

So my comments from my previous post still stand very strong and I am yet to see you give me a good excuse for the actions of the "RoC" which are not based on the racist propaganda version of the islands "history", but real reasons to why a person who was born and raised in Cyprus with a Cypriot mother, cannot qualify for a citizenship of the so called "free areas", free being the key word here...

[shahmaran]

Now this has been very interesting. Dear "Oracle"...the information that was given to me by the High Commission in my country, and the authorities in Cyprus, differ slightly with regard to a few points, which is why I came on here. Thankyou to Tim and others who have replied with helpful insight.
I find it interesting that "Oracle" thinks that because the Armenian and Turkish words for "lion" are similar, that I must be Turkish...Now it's not even that Shahmaran agree on every point, because we don't, but why is it that some people cannot handle it when someone wants to hear all the sides of a story? I'm not insulted by being called Turkish, because I'm not a racist, but it's very disturbing to hear people trying to use race as an insult...

Tell me about it man, here we are trying to find a way to live with people who consider our ethnic origin to be an insult and go even further to use the Mongolian ethnicity to insult our origins. This is meant to be our home

We are talking about a very ancient and very profound racist mindset that has been travelling through time in these areas, with the help of people like Oracle, Piratis and Sotos.

I mean Oracle is a geneticist who definitely should know better but refuses to, Piratis is waiting for the day he can take his "revenge" from the Ottoman Empire and Sotos, well he is just an unintellectual baboon with nothing to say other than racist insults.

We are yet to stamp out this sickening psychology from this island and from humanity if possible.

[Get Real!]

Put that to a side, we are talking about a so called "Republic" which works hard to rid its country from its citizens with "Cyprus blood" but of other ethnicity's. I believe the "RoC" is working hard to support its "minority status" strategy, and this is just a part of that. This is not a "defence" but it's a right down "attack".

So my comments from my previous post still stand very strong and I am yet to see you give me a good excuse for the actions of the "RoC" which are not based on the racist propaganda version of the islands "history", but real reasons to why a person who was born and raised in Cyprus with a Cypriot mother, cannot qualify for a citizenship of the so called "free areas", free being the key word here...

Assuming you’re referring to TCs who have a Turkish father because I haven’t read the whole thread…

It’s for the same reason that someone born of an Iraqi mother and an American father will have problems in Iraq once the yanks have gone.

Foolhardy women should think twice about whom they have children with in troubled regions.

[Get Real!]

Anyone who thinks that having children with a Turk and living in Cyprus is a good idea after, Turkey slaughtered 6,000 GCs, raped about 100 GC women, and made some 250,000 Cypriots refugees, is a complete idiot!

It makes as much sense as an Armenian lady marrying a Turk and taking her children to live in Yerevan!

Talk about setting your children up for a better future…

[dzimeruk]

I think people have got a bit too intense about this thread...I've been accused of lying about my ethnicity and several people have made rather vile comments regarding race...I got the information I wanted a few pages back...I suggest someone start a new thread for this debate because it is an entirely new set of issues...?

[Tim Drayton]

Shahmaran, mate, you are usually on the ball but you have got your facts wrong here. There are two conflicting principles that may be applied in determining who is entitled to citizenship, known in Latin as jus sanguinis and jus soli.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis

Jus sanguinis (Latin: right of blood) is a social policy by which nationality or citizenship is not determined by place of birth, but by having an ancestor who is a national or citizen of the state. It contrasts with jus soli (Latin for "right of soil").

Certain European countries apply the principle of jus sanguinis , such that, for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_nationality_law

Polish nationality law is based upon the principles of jus sanguinis. Children born to Polish parents usually acquire citizenship irrespective of place of birth. Persons born in Poland to foreign parents do not normally become Polish citizens.

You will find that traditionally the Republic of Turkey has also applied the principle of jus sanguinis . If you study the text of law 403 concerning Turkish Nationality, you will find that persons born on Turkish soil to parents who were not Turkish nationals generally did not qualify for Turkish citizenship. This situation has been rectified in the recent law number 5901 which has replaced the earlier law.

Here you go Tim, its from the website of the Turkish consulate.

Let me also add that I know many people who have optained British passports by simply having been born there with no other family members having any ties to the UK.

I will not speak for the rest of the EU because I am not familiar with them as much.

APPLYING FOR TURKISH NATIONALITY:


According to Turkish Nationality Act (numbered 403), a foreigner should meet the following requirements in order to apply for Turkish nationality.

*He/She should be at the age of consent according to his/her national law (if he/she is not a citizen of any country, Turkish law is taken into consideration which requires 18 years old as the age of consent).
*He/She should reside in Turkey for the last five years and should have the intention of settling in Turkey (This condition may not be applicable to those who are married to a Turkish national or those who are with Turkish origin).
*He/She should be in good health.
*He/She should speak Turkish.
*He/She should have enough financial resources to support himself/herself and his/her family in Turkey.

The country you call fascist has actually done a better job then you have regarding citizenship laws.

Put that to a side, we are talking about a so called "Republic" which works hard to rid its country from its citizens with "Cyprus blood" but of other ethnicity's. I believe the "RoC" is working hard to support its "minority status" strategy, and this is just a part of that. This is not a "defence" but it's a right down "attack".

So my comments from my previous post still stand very strong and I am yet to see you give me a good excuse for the actions of the "RoC" which are not based on the racist propaganda version of the islands "history", but real reasons to why a person who was born and raised in Cyprus with a Cypriot mother, cannot qualify for a citizenship of the so called "free areas", free being the key word here...

Shahmaran, the information that you provide about Turkey is for foreigners who wish to apply for citizenship by naturalisation, and not about people who automatically qualify as citizens. 'Apply' being the key word becuase the application can be granted or denied. The RoC also has provisions for foreigners to apply for citizenship by naturalisation based on residence. This is just a red herring and has nothing to do with issue at hand.

You are obviously confusing me with somebody else, because it makes me angry too to hear Turkey described as fascist. I have frequently opposed this argument in various threads on this forum. However, please don't start lecturing me about the rules for foreigners in Turkey. I lived in that country for a very long time and know how many impassable barriers that country imposes to make sure that foreigners can do little more than breathe the air there. I had a British mate, male, who married a Turkish citizen and had two Turkish-citizen children. Yet the Turkish authorities would give him neither citizenship, residence rights nor even the right to earn a living with the sweat of his own brow. I know the great difficulties he had in relocating to the UK with his family - because he had no other choice - although he is doing well now. If you really want to go on about countries that discriminate in the matter of citizenship and residence, how about criticisng your own motherland a bit?

Yes, the UK bases its citizenship rules on jus soli and not jus sanguinis and so, as you say, anybody born there is entitled to citizenship. This has nothing to do with any "European principles", but rather with the legal basis for citizenship in the UK. The RoC elected to base its citizenship on the jus sanguinis principle, and this is the explanation for this difference, not some kind of discrimination.

[dzimeruk]

I think people have got a bit too intense about this thread...I've been accused of lying about my ethnicity, and been accused of being part of some conspiracy, and several people have made rather vile comments regarding race...I got the information I wanted a few pages back...I suggest someone start a new thread for this debate because it is an entirely new set of issues, and draw a line under this?

[shahmaran]

Anyone who thinks that having children with a Turk and living in Cyprus is a good idea after, Turkey slaughtered 6,000 GCs, raped about 100 GC women, and made some 250,000 Cypriots refugees, is a complete idiot!

It makes as much sense as an Armenian lady marrying a Turk and taking her children to live in Yerevan!

Talk about setting your children up for a better future…

Yes that makes a lot of sense GR....

[shahmaran]

Shahmaran, mate, you are usually on the ball but you have got your facts wrong here. There are two conflicting principles that may be applied in determining who is entitled to citizenship, known in Latin as jus sanguinis and jus soli.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis

Jus sanguinis (Latin: right of blood) is a social policy by which nationality or citizenship is not determined by place of birth, but by having an ancestor who is a national or citizen of the state. It contrasts with jus soli (Latin for "right of soil").

Certain European countries apply the principle of jus sanguinis , such that, for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_nationality_law

Polish nationality law is based upon the principles of jus sanguinis. Children born to Polish parents usually acquire citizenship irrespective of place of birth. Persons born in Poland to foreign parents do not normally become Polish citizens.

You will find that traditionally the Republic of Turkey has also applied the principle of jus sanguinis . If you study the text of law 403 concerning Turkish Nationality, you will find that persons born on Turkish soil to parents who were not Turkish nationals generally did not qualify for Turkish citizenship. This situation has been rectified in the recent law number 5901 which has replaced the earlier law.

Here you go Tim, its from the website of the Turkish consulate.

Let me also add that I know many people who have optained British passports by simply having been born there with no other family members having any ties to the UK.

I will not speak for the rest of the EU because I am not familiar with them as much.

APPLYING FOR TURKISH NATIONALITY:


According to Turkish Nationality Act (numbered 403), a foreigner should meet the following requirements in order to apply for Turkish nationality.

*He/She should be at the age of consent according to his/her national law (if he/she is not a citizen of any country, Turkish law is taken into consideration which requires 18 years old as the age of consent).
*He/She should reside in Turkey for the last five years and should have the intention of settling in Turkey (This condition may not be applicable to those who are married to a Turkish national or those who are with Turkish origin).
*He/She should be in good health.
*He/She should speak Turkish.
*He/She should have enough financial resources to support himself/herself and his/her family in Turkey.

The country you call fascist has actually done a better job then you have regarding citizenship laws.

Put that to a side, we are talking about a so called "Republic" which works hard to rid its country from its citizens with "Cyprus blood" but of other ethnicity's. I believe the "RoC" is working hard to support its "minority status" strategy, and this is just a part of that. This is not a "defence" but it's a right down "attack".

So my comments from my previous post still stand very strong and I am yet to see you give me a good excuse for the actions of the "RoC" which are not based on the racist propaganda version of the islands "history", but real reasons to why a person who was born and raised in Cyprus with a Cypriot mother, cannot qualify for a citizenship of the so called "free areas", free being the key word here...

Shahmaran, the information that you provide about Turkey is for foreigners who wish to apply for citizenship by naturalisation, and not about people who automatically qualify as citizens. 'Apply' being the key word becuase the application can be granted or denied. The RoC also has provisions for foreigners to apply for citizenship by naturalisation based on residence. This is just a red herring and has nothing to do with issue at hand.

You are obviously confusing me with somebody else, because it makes me angry too to hear Turkey described as fascist. I have frequently opposed this argument in various threads on this forum. However, please don't start lecturing me about the rules for foreigners in Turkey. I lived in that country for a very long time and know how many impassable barriers that country imposes to make sure that foreigners can do little more than breathe the air there. I had a British mate, male, who married a Turkish citizen and had two Turkish-citizen children. Yet the Turkish authorities would give him neither citizenship, residence rights nor even the right to earn a living with the sweat of his own brow. I know the great difficulties he had in relocating to the UK with his family - because he had no other choice - although he is doing well now. If you really want to go on about countries that discriminate in the matter of citizenship and residence, how about criticisng your own motherland a bit?

Yes, the UK bases its citizenship rules on jus soli and not jus sanguinis and so, as you say, anybody born there is entitled to citizenship. This has nothing to do with any "European principles", but rather with the legal basis for citizenship in the UK. The RoC elected to base its citizenship on the jus sanguinis principle, and this is the explanation for this difference, not some kind of discrimination.

Sorry Tim, I wasn't referring to you about the "fascist" comments, just wrote an overall reply for everyone who commented on my previous post.

I do not see how any of these examples compare to the case I mentioned. We are not talking about some foreigner here, we are talking about a person who was born and raised in Cyprus with a Cypriot mother. There is no excuse.

If this is how the RoC operated before then its time to change its laws and if they have adopted this law after 74 than it is no surprise that they have conveniently followed laws that would discriminate in such way.

Can you give me examples of other countries who follow this kind of laws?