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[kurupetos]

If the Greek-Cypriots succeed in getting back all the territory which they would have got in 2004 in the Annan Plan they will be lucky after all the time which has elapsed since then.....I cannot see Turkey agreeing to more than a special zone for the villages in the Karpas after Yialousa which would allow a number of G.C's to return if they still wish to and I think the Turkish side will bargain this against them giving up Morphou...

The Turks are in no position to bargain anything and they know it. The time is running out on them. The GCs have nothing more to lose, we can wait for ever. We are in the EU and have a prosperous economy.

[Kifeas]

If the Greek-Cypriots succeed in getting back all the territory which they would have got in 2004 in the Annan Plan they will be lucky after all the time which has elapsed since then.....I cannot see Turkey agreeing to more than a special zone for the villages in the Karpas after Yialousa which would allow a number of G.C's to return if they still wish to and I think the Turkish side will bargain this against them giving up Morphou...

Cymart, in case you have not yet realized it, as much as we GCs are eager and stressed for a solution, twice as much is Turkey! I do not need to mention the TCs' eagerness, because they do not count much. Now, if Turkey will insist in its irredentist and childish claims and demands, there will simply be no solution this time, and the heaviest toll will be paid by Turkey in losing its EU accession, and by the TCs in remaining hostages and isolated in the north. Therefore, stop thinking that it is all up to what Turkey will or will not accept, for if this was the case, they might as well have not been at the negotiating table as we speak.

[akiner]

If the Greek-Cypriots succeed in getting back all the territory which they would have got in 2004 in the Annan Plan they will be lucky after all the time which has elapsed since then.....I cannot see Turkey agreeing to more than a special zone for the villages in the Karpas after Yialousa which would allow a number of G.C's to return if they still wish to and I think the Turkish side will bargain this against them giving up Morphou...

Cymart, in case you have not yet realized it, as much as we GCs are eager and stressed for a solution, twice as much is Turkey! I do not need to mention the TCs' eagerness, because they do not count much. Now, if Turkey will insist in its irredentist and childish claims and demands, there will simply be no solution this time, and the heaviest toll will be paid by Turkey in losing its EU accession, and by the TCs in remaining hostages and isolated in the north. Therefore, stop thinking that it is all up to what Turkey will or will not accept, for if this was the case, they might as well have not been at the negotiating table as we speak.

It is quite funny how you look through from one perspective, If there will be no Eu accesion for Turkey, there wont be any solution as GC's and Eu asked, and partition will be permanent, so who will pay the big chunck of the toll?!

[kurupetos]

If the Greek-Cypriots succeed in getting back all the territory which they would have got in 2004 in the Annan Plan they will be lucky after all the time which has elapsed since then.....I cannot see Turkey agreeing to more than a special zone for the villages in the Karpas after Yialousa which would allow a number of G.C's to return if they still wish to and I think the Turkish side will bargain this against them giving up Morphou...

Cymart, in case you have not yet realized it, as much as we GCs are eager and stressed for a solution, twice as much is Turkey! I do not need to mention the TCs' eagerness, because they do not count much. Now, if Turkey will insist in its irredentist and childish claims and demands, there will simply be no solution this time, and the heaviest toll will be paid by Turkey in losing its EU accession, and by the TCs in remaining hostages and isolated in the north. Therefore, stop thinking that it is all up to what Turkey will or will not accept, for if this was the case, they might as well have not been at the negotiating table as we speak.

It is quite funny how you look through from one perspective, If there will be no Eu accesion for Turkey, there wont be any solution as GC's and Eu asked, and partition will be permanent, so who will pay the big chunck of the toll?!

We paid ours, now it's your turn.

[Kifeas]

If the Greek-Cypriots succeed in getting back all the territory which they would have got in 2004 in the Annan Plan they will be lucky after all the time which has elapsed since then.....I cannot see Turkey agreeing to more than a special zone for the villages in the Karpas after Yialousa which would allow a number of G.C's to return if they still wish to and I think the Turkish side will bargain this against them giving up Morphou...

Cymart, in case you have not yet realized it, as much as we GCs are eager and stressed for a solution, twice as much is Turkey! I do not need to mention the TCs' eagerness, because they do not count much. Now, if Turkey will insist in its irredentist and childish claims and demands, there will simply be no solution this time, and the heaviest toll will be paid by Turkey in losing its EU accession, and by the TCs in remaining hostages and isolated in the north. Therefore, stop thinking that it is all up to what Turkey will or will not accept, for if this was the case, they might as well have not been at the negotiating table as we speak.

It is quite funny how you look through from one perspective, If there will be no Eu accesion for Turkey, there wont be any solution as GC's and Eu asked, and partition will be permanent, so who will pay the big chunck of the toll?!

No Akiner, there will be no permanent partition, but only a continuation of Turkey's illegal occupation over a territory legally and irrevocably belonging to the RoC. No one will ever recognize a separate entity in the north, on a soil that by international law belongs to Cyprus (RoC,) an EU member state.

[akiner]

If the Greek-Cypriots succeed in getting back all the territory which they would have got in 2004 in the Annan Plan they will be lucky after all the time which has elapsed since then.....I cannot see Turkey agreeing to more than a special zone for the villages in the Karpas after Yialousa which would allow a number of G.C's to return if they still wish to and I think the Turkish side will bargain this against them giving up Morphou...

Cymart, in case you have not yet realized it, as much as we GCs are eager and stressed for a solution, twice as much is Turkey! I do not need to mention the TCs' eagerness, because they do not count much. Now, if Turkey will insist in its irredentist and childish claims and demands, there will simply be no solution this time, and the heaviest toll will be paid by Turkey in losing its EU accession, and by the TCs in remaining hostages and isolated in the north. Therefore, stop thinking that it is all up to what Turkey will or will not accept, for if this was the case, they might as well have not been at the negotiating table as we speak.

It is quite funny how you look through from one perspective, If there will be no Eu accesion for Turkey, there wont be any solution as GC's and Eu asked, and partition will be permanent, so who will pay the big chunck of the toll?!

No Akiner, there will be no permanent partition, but only a continuation of Turkey's illegal occupation over a territory legally and irrevocably belonging to the RoC. No one will ever recognize a separate entity in the north, on a soil that by international law belongs to Cyprus (RoC,) an EU member state.

This is not a recent poll but most probably would give you an idea about Turkish public opinion for joining EU

Who knows kifeas, as the public will not be much sad about if the Eu membership negatiotions fail, then maybe Eu and Nato will make a salvation operation to end a so-called occupation on North

[Kikapu]

Didn't Papadopoulos submit a list of 13 ammendments to the Annan Plan to the Greek-Cypriot national council in 2005 and they were approved by them?
So why this hysterical condemnation of everything to do with it by some Greek-Cypriot politicians?Didn't it contain some positiive provisions too?
On the return of territory, for example?Or do they imagine they will get even more back now?

I hope they will give us nothing this time, so that we can reject it with a 100% NO vote.

Please please reject any new plan or even better walk away from the talks.

Personally I will, if it will be a disguised AP.

Anyway the talks seem to go around less important issues to avoid the territorial-property one.

Why abandon the talks? No need for that! Christofias may propose Talat to play some backgammon if they can't agree on anything!

Your repeated NO with bring with it concessions for the North so we are hoping you will walk away or reject a second referendum.

Just like all the concessions you got from the world and the EU after the 2004 NO vote by the GCs, and you even claimed those concessions were promised to you, so where are they.???? You are not even getting any promises this time around, but you expect concessions all the same. If anything, the GCs got into the EU, ECJ ruling and have a veto vote over Turkey’s EU admission. So yes VP, go ahead and believe that concessions will be pouring TCs way if the GCs vote NO again on a BAD plan, just as the AP was.

[Viewpoint]

Didn't Papadopoulos submit a list of 13 ammendments to the Annan Plan to the Greek-Cypriot national council in 2005 and they were approved by them?
So why this hysterical condemnation of everything to do with it by some Greek-Cypriot politicians?Didn't it contain some positiive provisions too?
On the return of territory, for example?Or do they imagine they will get even more back now?

I hope they will give us nothing this time, so that we can reject it with a 100% NO vote.

Please please reject any new plan or even better walk away from the talks.

Personally I will, if it will be a disguised AP.

Anyway the talks seem to go around less important issues to avoid the territorial-property one.

Why abandon the talks? No need for that! Christofias may propose Talat to play some backgammon if they can't agree on anything!

Your repeated NO with bring with it concessions for the North so we are hoping you will walk away or reject a second referendum.

Just like all the concessions you got from the world and the EU after the 2004 NO vote by the GCs, and you even claimed those concessions were promised to you, so where are they.???? You are not even getting any promises this time around, but you expect concessions all the same. If anything, the GCs got into the EU, ECJ ruling and have a veto vote over Turkey’s EU admission. So yes VP, go ahead and believe that concessions will be pouring TCs way if the GCs vote NO again on a BAD plan, just as the AP was.

Then you have no problem go right ahead and vote NO once again.

[shahmaran]

If the Greek-Cypriots succeed in getting back all the territory which they would have got in 2004 in the Annan Plan they will be lucky after all the time which has elapsed since then.....I cannot see Turkey agreeing to more than a special zone for the villages in the Karpas after Yialousa which would allow a number of G.C's to return if they still wish to and I think the Turkish side will bargain this against them giving up Morphou...

Cymart, in case you have not yet realized it, as much as we GCs are eager and stressed for a solution, twice as much is Turkey! I do not need to mention the TCs' eagerness, because they do not count much. Now, if Turkey will insist in its irredentist and childish claims and demands, there will simply be no solution this time, and the heaviest toll will be paid by Turkey in losing its EU accession, and by the TCs in remaining hostages and isolated in the north. Therefore, stop thinking that it is all up to what Turkey will or will not accept, for if this was the case, they might as well have not been at the negotiating table as we speak.

It is quite funny how you look through from one perspective, If there will be no Eu accesion for Turkey, there wont be any solution as GC's and Eu asked, and partition will be permanent, so who will pay the big chunck of the toll?!

We paid ours, now it's your turn.

We have also been paying for 40 years and actually have learnt to live with it. We have no problem if it becomes permanent.

[Kifeas]

Akiner, let me ask you something else. Since you have the besotted belief that you “won” the war in 1974 (in fact you will celebrate it with a parade in a few days) and you have now “earned” 37% of Cyprus as your “TRNC” homeland, and since you also have the besotted belief that in time there will be a permanent partition that will allow you to run away with such a disproportionately big chunk of Cyprus, and establish an exclusively Turkish national entity in Cyprus; why are you on the negotiating table, together with the “defeated” Greek Cypriot “losers?” For what reason are you negotiating with us, if you feel you have nothing to compromise on?