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[Lit]

Erdoghan made a statement tonight, July 11, accusing the Chinese for "genocide" over the 150 deaths in the riots.

Imagine what the killing of 5000 Cypriots in 1974 by the Turkish army should be called!!!

137 of the victims belonged to the dominant Han ethnic group. The rest included 45 men and one woman who were Muslim Uighurs

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... AD99BVKU81

[Lit]

Han Chinese emerge as the main victims as Urumqi riots death toll rises
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 684928.ece

[wyoming cowboy]

they sure do have a vague idea of genocide. 35,000 kurds killed they are terrorist, 5000 Gc killed by the turk army its called a peace operation, 1.5 million Armenians killed by the Turkish army its called never happened.

Erdoghan made a statement tonight, July 11, accusing the Chinese for "genocide" over the 150 deaths in the riots.

Imagine what the killing of 5000 Cypriots in 1974 by the Turkish army should be called!!!

Perhaps we need to lookup the Turkish equivalent for “genocide” because it seems that all Turks and Turkish Cypriots have a serious discrepancy with the meaning of this word compared to the rest of the world…

[AWE]

Lit,

did you read the stories? both say that "State Media" are claiming this as the death toll. now if you know anything about China you will know what state media is like and would take what they say with a truck load of salt.

From Al Jazeera last year:

The numbers of ethnic Han settlers in Xinjiang has risen from well under half a million in 1953 to 7.5 million by 2000, and is rising fast.

According to the latest available figures, Han settlers make up around 42 per cent of Xinjiang's total population of 18 million, dictating a life that is culturally alien to the native Uighurs.

"There are more and more Han arriving here all the time," explains Tursuntay, a 45-year old Uighur man from the Xiniang border city of Ily.

"When I was young there were very few – this place belonged to us."

Hislat, a 22-year old Uighur woman from Urumqi, the Han-dominated capital of Xinjiang, is also feeling the squeeze.

"Before, looking for work was easy, but now they all want Han people, they don't want us," she says.

"It's really difficult, but there's nothing we can do about it."

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia- ... 09441.html

[boomerang]

Lit,

did you read the stories? both say that "State Media" are claiming this as the death toll. now if you know anything about China you will know what state media is like and would take what they say with a truck load of salt.

From Al Jazeera last year:

The numbers of ethnic Han settlers in Xinjiang has risen from well under half a million in 1953 to 7.5 million by 2000, and is rising fast.

According to the latest available figures, Han settlers make up around 42 per cent of Xinjiang's total population of 18 million, dictating a life that is culturally alien to the native Uighurs.

"There are more and more Han arriving here all the time," explains Tursuntay, a 45-year old Uighur man from the Xiniang border city of Ily.

"When I was young there were very few – this place belonged to us."

Hislat, a 22-year old Uighur woman from Urumqi, the Han-dominated capital of Xinjiang, is also feeling the squeeze.

"Before, looking for work was easy, but now they all want Han people, they don't want us," she says.

"It's really difficult, but there's nothing we can do about it."

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia- ... 09441.html

AWE the point of this thread is the double standard of turkey...I am not sure what you are trying to justify here...are you saying turkey is the lesser evil or no evil when it comes to what the article you posted...isn't she guilty of the same?...as per your article...

In short, people that live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones...

[Lit]

Lit,

did you read the stories? both say that "State Media" are claiming this as the death toll. now if you know anything about China you will know what state media is like and would take what they say with a truck load of salt.

From Al Jazeera last year:

The numbers of ethnic Han settlers in Xinjiang has risen from well under half a million in 1953 to 7.5 million by 2000, and is rising fast.

According to the latest available figures, Han settlers make up around 42 per cent of Xinjiang's total population of 18 million, dictating a life that is culturally alien to the native Uighurs.

"There are more and more Han arriving here all the time," explains Tursuntay, a 45-year old Uighur man from the Xiniang border city of Ily.

"When I was young there were very few – this place belonged to us."

Hislat, a 22-year old Uighur woman from Urumqi, the Han-dominated capital of Xinjiang, is also feeling the squeeze.

"Before, looking for work was easy, but now they all want Han people, they don't want us," she says.

"It's really difficult, but there's nothing we can do about it."

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia- ... 09441.html

Irrelevant. Your article is dated Tuesday, March 25 2008. The riots and the killing of innocent Han and Uighur people began last week.

Trust me, I am no supporter of China and do believe its in gross violation of human rights. But you can't hide the killing of people. Sooner or later, people will be reported missing. You can believe what ever the Turkish PM says but the events in China are still unfolding so I reserve judgment and wait to see what reliable news sources say in the next few days.


And if the State run Xinhua news agency is so unreliable, why are reliable western news agencies quoting from it?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... _headlines

[AWE]

Lit,

did you read the stories? both say that "State Media" are claiming this as the death toll. now if you know anything about China you will know what state media is like and would take what they say with a truck load of salt.

From Al Jazeera last year:

The numbers of ethnic Han settlers in Xinjiang has risen from well under half a million in 1953 to 7.5 million by 2000, and is rising fast.

According to the latest available figures, Han settlers make up around 42 per cent of Xinjiang's total population of 18 million, dictating a life that is culturally alien to the native Uighurs.

"There are more and more Han arriving here all the time," explains Tursuntay, a 45-year old Uighur man from the Xiniang border city of Ily.

"When I was young there were very few – this place belonged to us."

Hislat, a 22-year old Uighur woman from Urumqi, the Han-dominated capital of Xinjiang, is also feeling the squeeze.

"Before, looking for work was easy, but now they all want Han people, they don't want us," she says.

"It's really difficult, but there's nothing we can do about it."

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia- ... 09441.html

AWE the point of this thread is the double standard of turkey...I am not sure what you are trying to justify here...are you saying turkey is the lesser evil or no evil when it comes to what the article you posted...isn't she guilty of the same?...as per your article...

In short, people that live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones...

Boomer,

my point is that some members of this board feel it is OK for a big country to invade another, bring in settlers in the conquered territory and then beat up on the minority indigenous population so long as that population is Turkic. I do not agree with the double standard of Turkey but at least it is moving in the right direction as long as a civilian govt is in place.

[AWE]

Lit,

did you read the stories? both say that "State Media" are claiming this as the death toll. now if you know anything about China you will know what state media is like and would take what they say with a truck load of salt.

From Al Jazeera last year:

The numbers of ethnic Han settlers in Xinjiang has risen from well under half a million in 1953 to 7.5 million by 2000, and is rising fast.

According to the latest available figures, Han settlers make up around 42 per cent of Xinjiang's total population of 18 million, dictating a life that is culturally alien to the native Uighurs.

"There are more and more Han arriving here all the time," explains Tursuntay, a 45-year old Uighur man from the Xiniang border city of Ily.

"When I was young there were very few – this place belonged to us."

Hislat, a 22-year old Uighur woman from Urumqi, the Han-dominated capital of Xinjiang, is also feeling the squeeze.

"Before, looking for work was easy, but now they all want Han people, they don't want us," she says.

"It's really difficult, but there's nothing we can do about it."

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia- ... 09441.html

Irrelevant. Your article is dated Tuesday, March 25 2008. The riots and the killing of innocent Han and Uighur people began last week.

Trust me, I am no supporter of China and do believe its in gross violation of human rights. But you can't hide the killing of people. Sooner or later, people will be reported missing. You can believe what ever the Turkish PM says but the events in China are still unfolding so I reserve judgment and wait to see what reliable news sources say in the next few days.


And if the State run Xinhua news agency is so unreliable, why are reliable western news agencies quoting from it?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... _headlines

The man point about the article is that this has been building for some time and that China has done in Xinjiang similar to TR in Cyp.

As to using the information from Xinhua they do so because there is no other source of info - China has no way to independently verify this sort of data, in fact all media is majority state owned.

[shahmaran]

they sure do have a vague idea of genocide. 35,000 kurds killed they are terrorist, 5000 Gc killed by the turk army its called a peace operation, 1.5 million Armenians killed by the Turkish army its called never happened.

Erdoghan made a statement tonight, July 11, accusing the Chinese for "genocide" over the 150 deaths in the riots.

Imagine what the killing of 5000 Cypriots in 1974 by the Turkish army should be called!!!

Perhaps we need to look up the Turkish equivalent for “genocide” because it seems that all Turks and Turkish Cypriots have a serious discrepancy with the meaning of this word compared to the rest of the world…

You guys cannot redefine words.

The term "genocide" has a specific meaning and you cant just throw it about every time a group of people get murdered as the term is more about the intent behind the crime as opposed to the crime it self.

1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions[/i]

So Nikitas and others, many people have died horribly on this island yes, but the only incident that could be labeled as "genocide" would be the Atlilar and Sandallar incident. Had Turkey not acted fast enough it could have easily carried on to other villages resulting in an even bigger catastrophe.

This act was not an act of war or defense but an act of total destruction of a certain community from the island. Turkey had no intention of "removing" the GC's from the island.

THAT'S what genocide is.

And THAT'S why the labeling of the Armenian killings as genocide is dubious, hence why many would still not recognize it.

You can't just bend terms as needed.

The pressure behind the recognition of the so called "Armenian genocide" is nothing but a political bargaining chip.

No one takes into account all the destruction the Armenian gangs had inflicted up on the locals of that area up until someone had acted. No one!

So you want to talk about double standards do you?

[Get Real!]

...but the only incident that could be labeled as "genocide" would be the Atlilar and Sandallar incident.

There were about 150 TCs casualties in the villages you mention and about 6,000 GC casualties at the hands of invading Turks and TCs who assisted them.

Which of the two is the genocide?

PS: When you've finished answering that give us a rough estimate of your IQ.