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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:02 pm

paliometoxo wrote:
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paliometoxo wrote:china will kill the turks



They are doing it already. :roll:


the turks are very ignorant calling 189 deaths a genocide and the armenians thgey killed osmehow was not?

im sorry a kind of genocide .. i wonder how president will react when china asked them to withdraw the statement... is that all turkey knows how to do start wars with countires and threaten them and demand power in any country they go and try change things? who are the turks to change the way they liv ein china and the rules?? they should go back to turkey



Erdogan is another pillock. He talks without thinking first, but then I advise you to research the history of Eastern Turkistan/ Xing-chiang province. I could write a few words, but would get the usual reception.
For nearly a hundred years the Chinese gov has been importing Han Chinese into the predominantly Uigur/muslim province - Much like Turkey has done. If you are against Turleys actions in Cyprus, you should also oppose China.

But then they are a Turkic people, rules change. Its sad really.
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Postby The Cypriot » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:22 pm

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YOUR people did you fool. And you're paying for what YOUR people did.


Zieg heil!

runaway wrote:So stop complaining.


Does it come across as complaining? It's actually getting even. And the actions of Nazis in Cyprus means that a whole people have made it a national mission.

runaway wrote:Papadopoulos was one of them and guess where he's now? Yes, in hell :lol:


When you see him, be sure to send him my regards.

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Postby Lit » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:01 pm

Turkey quietly backtracks from previous statements on China:

http://haber.turk.net/ENG/2302259/-dip- ... o-Xinjiang

Turkey Says Appreciates Chinese Invitation For Media Members To Xinjiang


ANKARA (A.A) - 15.07.2009 - Turkey has welcomed an invitation by Chinese officials to have Turkish media members in Xinjiang after violent incidents left scores of people dead in country's Uighur Autonomous Region, a Turkish Foreign Ministry spokesman said Wednesday.

"We appreciate China's invitation for media members to the region to cover and observe the incidents there. We believe that it would be the best way to pass on right information," Burak Ozugergin told a weekly press conference.

China's official news agency have reported that death toll had climbed to 192, with over 1,000 injured and 1,434 detained in a civil strife in Xinjiang since July 5.

Ozugergin said Turkey considered Uighur people as "our kin and it is natural that we are concerned about their fate. What we have been asking of China is to maintain stability in the region and we are ready to help Chinese authorities to that end."
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Postby The Cypriot » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:21 am

Lit wrote:Turkey quietly backtracks from previous statements on China:

http://haber.turk.net/ENG/2302259/-dip- ... o-Xinjiang

Turkey Says Appreciates Chinese Invitation For Media Members To Xinjiang


ANKARA (A.A) - 15.07.2009 - Turkey has welcomed an invitation by Chinese officials to have Turkish media members in Xinjiang after violent incidents left scores of people dead in country's Uighur Autonomous Region, a Turkish Foreign Ministry spokesman said Wednesday.

"We appreciate China's invitation for media members to the region to cover and observe the incidents there. We believe that it would be the best way to pass on right information," Burak Ozugergin told a weekly press conference.

China's official news agency have reported that death toll had climbed to 192, with over 1,000 injured and 1,434 detained in a civil strife in Xinjiang since July 5.

Ozugergin said Turkey considered Uighur people as "our kin and it is natural that we are concerned about their fate. What we have been asking of China is to maintain stability in the region and we are ready to help Chinese authorities to that end."


It's high time Turkey learnt how to eat humble pie.

She'll have to eat a whole lot more in relation to a problem that was supposedly solved in 1974.
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:59 am

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Lit wrote:Turkey quietly backtracks from previous statements on China:

http://haber.turk.net/ENG/2302259/-dip- ... o-Xinjiang

Turkey Says Appreciates Chinese Invitation For Media Members To Xinjiang


ANKARA (A.A) - 15.07.2009 - Turkey has welcomed an invitation by Chinese officials to have Turkish media members in Xinjiang after violent incidents left scores of people dead in country's Uighur Autonomous Region, a Turkish Foreign Ministry spokesman said Wednesday.

"We appreciate China's invitation for media members to the region to cover and observe the incidents there. We believe that it would be the best way to pass on right information," Burak Ozugergin told a weekly press conference.

China's official news agency have reported that death toll had climbed to 192, with over 1,000 injured and 1,434 detained in a civil strife in Xinjiang since July 5.

Ozugergin said Turkey considered Uighur people as "our kin and it is natural that we are concerned about their fate. What we have been asking of China is to maintain stability in the region and we are ready to help Chinese authorities to that end."


It's high time Turkey learnt how to eat humble pie.

She'll have to eat a whole lot more in relation to a problem that was supposedly solved in 1974.



They will and then blame the Turkish Cypriots for everything. :lol:
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Postby ARMENIAN CYPRIOT » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:11 pm

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wyoming cowboy wrote:they sure do have a vague idea of genocide. 35,000 kurds killed they are terrorist, 5000 Gc killed by the turk army its called a peace operation, 1.5 million Armenians killed by the Turkish army its called never happened.
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Nikitas wrote:Erdoghan made a statement tonight, July 11, accusing the Chinese for "genocide" over the 150 deaths in the riots.

Imagine what the killing of 5000 Cypriots in 1974 by the Turkish army should be called!!!

Perhaps we need to look up the Turkish equivalent for “genocide” because it seems that all Turks and Turkish Cypriots have a serious discrepancy with the meaning of this word compared to the rest of the world… :?


You guys cannot redefine words.

The term "genocide" has a specific meaning and you cant just throw it about every time a group of people get murdered as the term is more about the intent behind the crime as opposed to the crime it self.

1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions[/i]


So Nikitas and others, many people have died horribly on this island yes, but the only incident that could be labeled as "genocide" would be the Atlilar and Sandallar incident. Had Turkey not acted fast enough it could have easily carried on to other villages resulting in an even bigger catastrophe.

This act was not an act of war or defense but an act of total destruction of a certain community from the island. Turkey had no intention of "removing" the GC's from the island.

THAT'S what genocide is.

And THAT'S why the labeling of the Armenian killings as genocide is dubious, hence why many would still not recognize it.

You can't just bend terms as needed.

The pressure behind the recognition of the so called "Armenian genocide" is nothing but a political bargaining chip.

No one takes into account all the destruction the Armenian gangs had inflicted up on the locals of that area up until someone had acted. No one!

So you want to talk about double standards do you?

Really there are docouments sent to Allexandretta and other regions found before the Ottomans had time to destroy them. If you would like I can post them for you so you can see how your heroes had no problem killing children who had what to do with a uprising???
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:15 pm

And what good did murdering Turkish children do for the Armenian gangs?

What were they after? Ethnic cleansing?
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Postby ARMENIAN CYPRIOT » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:18 pm

shahmaran wrote:And what good did murdering Turkish children do for the Armenian gangs?

What were they after? Ethnic cleansing?


You know just as I do that the murdering of children is a fucked up act no matter which race it is done too. The problem is These children were killed by there own government not by gangs and thugs.
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:28 pm

ARMENIAN CYPRIOT wrote:
shahmaran wrote:And what good did murdering Turkish children do for the Armenian gangs?

What were they after? Ethnic cleansing?


You know just as I do that the murdering of children is a fucked up act no matter which race it is done too. The problem is These children were killed by there own government not by gangs and thugs.


I agree with you wholeheartedly.

No one denies that they have died, it is the problem of certain governments insisting that it should be recognized as genocide, when it is a grey area and needs a lot more researching.

Yet your government has denied even the questioning of its truth and the need for further research, thus making one believe that it is purely political and nothing more.

This issue should not be about who has more lobbying power or about the borders opening, I truly believe it deserves a LOT more respect than that.
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Postby ARMENIAN CYPRIOT » Thu Jul 16, 2009 11:30 pm

Great aticle Shah. Read it if you get a chance.

10/14/06 "The Independent" -- -- This has been a bad week for Holocaust deniers. I'm talking about those who wilfully lie about the 1915 genocide of 1.5 million Armenian Christians by the Ottoman Turks. On Thursday, France's lower house of parliament approved a Bill making it a crime to deny that Armenians suffered genocide. And, within an hour, Turkey's most celebrated writer, Orhan Pamuk - only recently cleared by a Turkish court for insulting "Turkishness" (sic) by telling a Swiss newspaper that nobody in Turkey dared mention the Armenian massacres - won the Nobel Prize for Literature. In the mass graves below the deserts of Syria and beneath the soil of southern Turkey, a few souls may have been comforted.

While Turkey continues to blather on about its innocence - the systematic killing of hundreds of thousands of male Armenians and of their gang-raped women is supposed to be the sad result of "civil war" - Armenian historians such as Vahakn Dadrian continue to unearth new evidence of the premeditated Holocaust (and, yes, it will deserve its capital H since it was the direct precursor of the Jewish Holocaust, some of whose Nazi architects were in Turkey in 1915) with all the energy of a gravedigger.

Armenian victims were killed with daggers, swords, hammers and axes to save ammunition. Massive drowning operations were carried out in the Black Sea and the Euphrates rivers - mostly of women and children, so many that the Euphrates became clogged with corpses and changed its course for up to half a mile. But Dadrian, who speaks and reads Turkish fluently, has now discovered that tens of thousands of Armenians were also burned alive in haylofts.

He has produced an affidavit to the Turkish court martial that briefly pursued the Turkish mass murderers after the First World War, a document written by General Mehmet Vehip Pasha, commander of the Turkish Third Army. He testified that, when he visited the Armenian village of Chourig (it means "little water" in Armenian), he found all the houses packed with burned human skeletons, so tightly packed that all were standing upright. "In all the history of Islam," General Vehip wrote, "it is not possible to find any parallel to such savagery."

The Armenian Holocaust, now so "unmentionable" in Turkey, was no secret to the country's population in 1918. Millions of Muslim Turks had witnessed the mass deportation of Armenians three years earlier - a few, with infinite courage, protected Armenian neighbours and friends at the risk of the lives of their own Muslim families - and, on 19 October 1918, Ahmed Riza, the elected president of the Turkish senate and a former supporter of the Young Turk leaders who committed the genocide, stated in his inaugural speech: "Let's face it, we Turks savagely (vahshiane in Turkish) killed off the Armenians."

Dadrian has detailed how two parallel sets of orders were issued, Nazi-style, by Turkish interior minister Talat Pasha. One set solicitously ordered the provision of bread, olives and protection for Armenian deportees but a parallel set instructed Turkish officials to "proceed with your mission" as soon as the deportee convoys were far enough away from population centres for there to be few witnesses to murder. As Turkish senator Reshid Akif Pasha testified on 19 November 1918: "The 'mission' in the circular was: to attack the convoys and massacre the population... I am ashamed as a Muslim, I am ashamed as an Ottoman statesman. What a stain on the reputation of the Ottoman Empire, these criminal people..."

How extraordinary that Turkish dignitaries could speak such truths in 1918, could fully admit in their own parliament to the genocide of the Armenians and could read editorials in Turkish newspapers of the great crimes committed against this Christian people. Yet how much more extraordinary that their successors today maintain that all of this is a myth, that anyone who says in present-day Istanbul what the men of 1918 admitted can find themselves facing prosecution under the notorious Law 301 for "defaming" Turkey.

I'm not sure that Holocaust deniers - of the anti-Armenian or anti-Semitic variety - should be taken to court for their rantings. David Irving is a particularly unpleasant "martyr" for freedom of speech and I am not at all certain that Bernard Lewis's one-franc fine by a French court for denying the Armenian genocide in a November 1993 Le Monde article did anything more than give publicity to an elderly historian whose work deteriorates with the years.

But it's gratifying to find French President Jacques Chirac and his interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy have both announced that Turkey will have to recognise the Armenian death as genocide before it is allowed to join the European Union. True, France has a powerful half-million-strong Armenian community.

But, typically, no such courage has been demonstrated by Lord Blair of Kut al-Amara, nor by the EU itself, which gutlessly and childishly commented that the new French Bill, if passed by the senate in Paris, will "prohibit dialogue" which is necessary for reconciliation between Turkey and modern-day Armenia. What is the subtext of this, I wonder. No more talk of the Jewish Holocaust lest we hinder "reconciliation" between Germany and the Jews of Europe?

But, suddenly, last week, those Armenian mass graves opened up before my own eyes. Next month, my Turkish publishers are producing my book, The Great War for Civilisation, in the Turkish language, complete with its long chapter on the Armenian genocide entitled "The First Holocaust". On Thursday, I received a fax from Agora Books in Istanbul. Their lawyers, it said, believed it "very likely that they will be sued under Law 301" - which forbids the defaming of Turkey and which right-wing lawyers tried to use against Pamuk - but that, as a foreigner, I would be "out of reach". However, if I wished, I could apply to the court to be included in any Turkish trial.

Personally, I doubt if the Holocaust deniers of Turkey will dare to touch us. But, if they try, it will be an honour to stand in the dock with my Turkish publishers, to denounce a genocide which even Mustafa Kamel Ataturk, founder of the modern Turkish state, condemned.

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