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[YFred]

Georgadjis joined the ranks of EOKA in his twenties and assumed the nom de guerre Laertes. He became regional commander of EOKA operations in Nicosia, not that different to some of our forum family members.

Sorry, I should have qualified regarding murderous activities of regional comander of EOKA. I took it for granted that these kinds of murders were covered in the GC History syllabus. Silly me.

Absolute rubbish Fred. EOKA was revered by the overwhelming population of Cypriots , including my self , for it had as its sole aim the freedom of Cyprus from the British. What do you find so unacceptable or bizarre in the actions of a resistance organization dedicated to the liberation of their nation. Mistakes were made not least ignoring the wishes of The T/Cs , but look at it from the point of view of the vast majority of the Cypriot people . Do you consider that it would have been appropriate for the 80 % of Cypriots to request the concurrence of the T/Cs prior to commencing the struggle.

I have posted before on a number of times that the struggle against the British was not only justified but the moral duty of the Cypriot people to demand their freedom. WITH HINDSIGHT WE HAVE COME TO REALIZE THAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL WAS MISPLACED BUT THE ESSENSE WAS CORRECT.

EOKA was and still is respected by the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people . Do not confuse EOKA with what followed , EOKA B.
A hell of a lot of propaganda rubbish has been posted by a number of sites , even one recently claiming that there had never been Cypriots !!!!
Also claiming that the Ottomans on arriving in Cyprus found only 20 thousand G/Cs !!!
Bullshit and propaganda go hand in hand Fred . My older brother was an active EOKA member , I as a young teenager enlisted and took the oath of EOKA Youth , ANE . Neither my brother nor I harbour and murderous tendencies and neither has regretted one millisecond of our involvement in the struggle against the British .

Miltiades, I did not confuse Eoka from Eoka-B. They are the same organisation. Yorgacis was top guy in the first and had connections with Eoka-B whilst in government. Eoak-B had the same leader as Eoka. Really to insist that they are different is rather childish.

The amazing thing is that a Yorgacis as a minister took part in attempting to Murder the president and with the full knowledge of that, all he gets is forced to resign. He than gets murdered himself and the killers are allowed to escape. To top it all Yorgacis is celebrated.

But the real crime is perpetrated by the current government for not teaching the GC children the history of Cyprus between 1960 and 74 and the media have only publicised it in 2009.

Decent GC should be very embarrassed about this but it seems the morals are not very high, I am afraid.

[miltiades]

Georgadjis joined the ranks of EOKA in his twenties and assumed the nom de guerre Laertes. He became regional commander of EOKA operations in Nicosia, not that different to some of our forum family members.

Sorry, I should have qualified regarding murderous activities of regional comander of EOKA. I took it for granted that these kinds of murders were covered in the GC History syllabus. Silly me.

Absolute rubbish Fred. EOKA was revered by the overwhelming population of Cypriots , including my self , for it had as its sole aim the freedom of Cyprus from the British. What do you find so unacceptable or bizarre in the actions of a resistance organization dedicated to the liberation of their nation. Mistakes were made not least ignoring the wishes of The T/Cs , but look at it from the point of view of the vast majority of the Cypriot people . Do you consider that it would have been appropriate for the 80 % of Cypriots to request the concurrence of the T/Cs prior to commencing the struggle.

I have posted before on a number of times that the struggle against the British was not only justified but the moral duty of the Cypriot people to demand their freedom. WITH HINDSIGHT WE HAVE COME TO REALIZE THAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL WAS MISPLACED BUT THE ESSENSE WAS CORRECT.

EOKA was and still is respected by the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people . Do not confuse EOKA with what followed , EOKA B.
A hell of a lot of propaganda rubbish has been posted by a number of sites , even one recently claiming that there had never been Cypriots !!!!
Also claiming that the Ottomans on arriving in Cyprus found only 20 thousand G/Cs !!!
Bullshit and propaganda go hand in hand Fred . My older brother was an active EOKA member , I as a young teenager enlisted and took the oath of EOKA Youth , ANE . Neither my brother nor I harbour and murderous tendencies and neither has regretted one millisecond of our involvement in the struggle against the British .

Miltiades, I did not confuse Eoka from Eoka-B. They are the same organisation. Yorgacis was top guy in the first and had connections with Eoka-B whilst in government. Eoak-B had the same leader as Eoka. Really to insist that they are different is rather childish.

The amazing thing is that a Yorgacis as a minister took part in attempting to Murder the president and with the full knowledge of that, all he gets is forced to resign. He than gets murdered himself and the killers are allowed to escape. To top it all Yorgacis is celebrated.

But the real crime is perpetrated by the current government for not teaching the GC children the history of Cyprus between 1960 and 74 and the media have only publicised it in 2009.

Decent GC should be very embarrassed about this but it seems the morals are not very high, I am afraid.

How would you go on about teaching the young G/Cs of history taking place between 1960 and 1974 ?
Bear in mind that the G/Cs saw Cyprus as their own island historically and viewed the T/Cs as collaborators with the British and above all as determined to achieve partition of their island at all costs.
In my opinion , the enemies of the Cypriot people have been the two cancers , Turkey and Greece. There should be no place for either of these two foreign nations and their flags in Cyprus. I say to hell with Greece , can you say to hell with Turkey ? I very much doubt it mate , because where I and the overwhelming majority of G/Cs see our selves as predominantly Cypriots , you , Fred see your self as predominantly Turkish.

[bill cobbett]

Georgadjis joined the ranks of EOKA in his twenties and assumed the nom de guerre Laertes. He became regional commander of EOKA operations in Nicosia, not that different to some of our forum family members.

Sorry, I should have qualified regarding murderous activities of regional comander of EOKA. I took it for granted that these kinds of murders were covered in the GC History syllabus. Silly me.

Absolute rubbish Fred. EOKA was revered by the overwhelming population of Cypriots , including my self , for it had as its sole aim the freedom of Cyprus from the British. What do you find so unacceptable or bizarre in the actions of a resistance organization dedicated to the liberation of their nation. Mistakes were made not least ignoring the wishes of The T/Cs , but look at it from the point of view of the vast majority of the Cypriot people . Do you consider that it would have been appropriate for the 80 % of Cypriots to request the concurrence of the T/Cs prior to commencing the struggle.

I have posted before on a number of times that the struggle against the British was not only justified but the moral duty of the Cypriot people to demand their freedom. WITH HINDSIGHT WE HAVE COME TO REALIZE THAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL WAS MISPLACED BUT THE ESSENSE WAS CORRECT.

EOKA was and still is respected by the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people . Do not confuse EOKA with what followed , EOKA B.
A hell of a lot of propaganda rubbish has been posted by a number of sites , even one recently claiming that there had never been Cypriots !!!!
Also claiming that the Ottomans on arriving in Cyprus found only 20 thousand G/Cs !!!
Bullshit and propaganda go hand in hand Fred . My older brother was an active EOKA member , I as a young teenager enlisted and took the oath of EOKA Youth , ANE . Neither my brother nor I harbour and murderous tendencies and neither has regretted one millisecond of our involvement in the struggle against the British .

Miltiades, I did not confuse Eoka from Eoka-B. They are the same organisation. Yorgacis was top guy in the first and had connections with Eoka-B whilst in government. Eoak-B had the same leader as Eoka. Really to insist that they are different is rather childish.

The amazing thing is that a Yorgacis as a minister took part in attempting to Murder the president and with the full knowledge of that, all he gets is forced to resign. He than gets murdered himself and the killers are allowed to escape. To top it all Yorgacis is celebrated.

But the real crime is perpetrated by the current government for not teaching the GC children the history of Cyprus between 1960 and 74 and the media have only publicised it in 2009.

Decent GC should be very embarrassed about this but it seems the morals are not very high, I am afraid.

How would you go on about teaching the young G/Cs of history taking place between 1960 and 1974 ?
Bear in mind that the G/Cs saw Cyprus as their own island historically and viewed the T/Cs as collaborators with the British and above all as determined to achieve partition of their island at all costs.
In my opinion , the enemies of the Cypriot people have been the two cancers , Turkey and Greece. There should be no place for either of these two foreign nations and their flags in Cyprus. I say to hell with Greece , can you say to hell with Turkey ? I very much doubt it mate , because where I and the overwhelming majority of G/Cs see our selves as predominantly Cypriots , you , Fred see your self as predominantly Turkish.

Come along Freddie, take up Milti's challenge and condemn Turkey and then sign The Cypriot's pledge in the other thread.

Come on Freddie, you know you want to.

[DT.]

Georgadjis joined the ranks of EOKA in his twenties and assumed the nom de guerre Laertes. He became regional commander of EOKA operations in Nicosia, not that different to some of our forum family members.

Sorry, I should have qualified regarding murderous activities of regional comander of EOKA. I took it for granted that these kinds of murders were covered in the GC History syllabus. Silly me.

Absolute rubbish Fred. EOKA was revered by the overwhelming population of Cypriots , including my self , for it had as its sole aim the freedom of Cyprus from the British. What do you find so unacceptable or bizarre in the actions of a resistance organization dedicated to the liberation of their nation. Mistakes were made not least ignoring the wishes of The T/Cs , but look at it from the point of view of the vast majority of the Cypriot people . Do you consider that it would have been appropriate for the 80 % of Cypriots to request the concurrence of the T/Cs prior to commencing the struggle.

I have posted before on a number of times that the struggle against the British was not only justified but the moral duty of the Cypriot people to demand their freedom. WITH HINDSIGHT WE HAVE COME TO REALIZE THAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL WAS MISPLACED BUT THE ESSENSE WAS CORRECT.

EOKA was and still is respected by the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people . Do not confuse EOKA with what followed , EOKA B.
A hell of a lot of propaganda rubbish has been posted by a number of sites , even one recently claiming that there had never been Cypriots !!!!
Also claiming that the Ottomans on arriving in Cyprus found only 20 thousand G/Cs !!!
Bullshit and propaganda go hand in hand Fred . My older brother was an active EOKA member , I as a young teenager enlisted and took the oath of EOKA Youth , ANE . Neither my brother nor I harbour and murderous tendencies and neither has regretted one millisecond of our involvement in the struggle against the British .

Miltiades, I did not confuse Eoka from Eoka-B. They are the same organisation. Yorgacis was top guy in the first and had connections with Eoka-B whilst in government. Eoak-B had the same leader as Eoka. Really to insist that they are different is rather childish.

The amazing thing is that a Yorgacis as a minister took part in attempting to Murder the president and with the full knowledge of that, all he gets is forced to resign. He than gets murdered himself and the killers are allowed to escape. To top it all Yorgacis is celebrated.

But the real crime is perpetrated by the current government for not teaching the GC children the history of Cyprus between 1960 and 74 and the media have only publicised it in 2009.

Decent GC should be very embarrassed about this but it seems the morals are not very high, I am afraid.

How would you go on about teaching the young G/Cs of history taking place between 1960 and 1974 ?
Bear in mind that the G/Cs saw Cyprus as their own island historically and viewed the T/Cs as collaborators with the British and above all as determined to achieve partition of their island at all costs.
In my opinion , the enemies of the Cypriot people have been the two cancers , Turkey and Greece. There should be no place for either of these two foreign nations and their flags in Cyprus. I say to hell with Greece , can you say to hell with Turkey ? I very much doubt it mate , because where I and the overwhelming majority of G/Cs see our selves as predominantly Cypriots , you , Fred see your self as predominantly Turkish.

Come along Freddie, take up Milti's challenge and condemn Turkey and then sign The Cypriot's pledge in the other thread.

Come on Freddie, you know you want to.

freddy is one of the cancers that is eating up this country. An idiot devoted to turkish allegiance and interests above Cyprus.

[shahmaran]

Self determination to demand enosis?

...If that's what the majority of Cypriots wanted or voted for.

It's called DEMOCRACY.

Sounds like crapocracy to me, or shall we call it hypocrapocracy?

If for one moment you would truly believe that self determination is indeed an honourable idea to fight for, then you would have had to abandon all attempts against our will for self determination.

Unless of course you believe that no one else is allowed to have self determination if its at your expense. In which case i would bring you back to crapocracy, since you wanted self determination at our expense. You catch my drift?

[YFred]

Georgadjis joined the ranks of EOKA in his twenties and assumed the nom de guerre Laertes. He became regional commander of EOKA operations in Nicosia, not that different to some of our forum family members.

Sorry, I should have qualified regarding murderous activities of regional comander of EOKA. I took it for granted that these kinds of murders were covered in the GC History syllabus. Silly me.

Absolute rubbish Fred. EOKA was revered by the overwhelming population of Cypriots , including my self , for it had as its sole aim the freedom of Cyprus from the British. What do you find so unacceptable or bizarre in the actions of a resistance organization dedicated to the liberation of their nation. Mistakes were made not least ignoring the wishes of The T/Cs , but look at it from the point of view of the vast majority of the Cypriot people . Do you consider that it would have been appropriate for the 80 % of Cypriots to request the concurrence of the T/Cs prior to commencing the struggle.

I have posted before on a number of times that the struggle against the British was not only justified but the moral duty of the Cypriot people to demand their freedom. WITH HINDSIGHT WE HAVE COME TO REALIZE THAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL WAS MISPLACED BUT THE ESSENSE WAS CORRECT.

EOKA was and still is respected by the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people . Do not confuse EOKA with what followed , EOKA B.
A hell of a lot of propaganda rubbish has been posted by a number of sites , even one recently claiming that there had never been Cypriots !!!!
Also claiming that the Ottomans on arriving in Cyprus found only 20 thousand G/Cs !!!
Bullshit and propaganda go hand in hand Fred . My older brother was an active EOKA member , I as a young teenager enlisted and took the oath of EOKA Youth , ANE . Neither my brother nor I harbour and murderous tendencies and neither has regretted one millisecond of our involvement in the struggle against the British .

Miltiades, I did not confuse Eoka from Eoka-B. They are the same organisation. Yorgacis was top guy in the first and had connections with Eoka-B whilst in government. Eoak-B had the same leader as Eoka. Really to insist that they are different is rather childish.

The amazing thing is that a Yorgacis as a minister took part in attempting to Murder the president and with the full knowledge of that, all he gets is forced to resign. He than gets murdered himself and the killers are allowed to escape. To top it all Yorgacis is celebrated.

But the real crime is perpetrated by the current government for not teaching the GC children the history of Cyprus between 1960 and 74 and the media have only publicised it in 2009.

Decent GC should be very embarrassed about this but it seems the morals are not very high, I am afraid.

How would you go on about teaching the young G/Cs of history taking place between 1960 and 1974 ?
Bear in mind that the G/Cs saw Cyprus as their own island historically and viewed the T/Cs as collaborators with the British and above all as determined to achieve partition of their island at all costs.
In my opinion , the enemies of the Cypriot people have been the two cancers , Turkey and Greece. There should be no place for either of these two foreign nations and their flags in Cyprus. I say to hell with Greece , can you say to hell with Turkey ? I very much doubt it mate , because where I and the overwhelming majority of G/Cs see our selves as predominantly Cypriots , you , Fred see your self as predominantly Turkish.

Come along Freddie, take up Milti's challenge and condemn Turkey and then sign The Cypriot's pledge in the other thread.

Come on Freddie, you know you want to.

Well at least we agree on something. To hell with Greece for attempting to annex Cyprus. Now when you talk about me being predominantly Turkish, I say hang on a minute old chap.

Turkey Protected the TCs and particularly my family from being wiped out, as well as financially ever since. I accept that her intentions may not have been totally honourable but as yet RoC has not signed the peace agreement and is equally dishonourable. All we have is a ceasefire. Do excuse me if I have a little doubt about the intentions of RoC, considering what we went through before 74. Now, once the peace agreement is signed if Turkey does not leave the island then you can question my Cypriotness for not supporting it.

Until then I wait in anticipation for the RoC to do the right thing for all Cypriots and stop suffocating the TCs with love.

As to the cancerousness of YFred, I wish it was true and that it is not the RoC which is cancerous, but alas we have to face reality and live in the real world, and certainly not bite the hand that feeds us.
I have been saying all along, remove the suffocation, allow the TCs to begin to live and see which they choose. And yes they do have the right to choose to be in the RoC or not.

We are all entitled to self determination. In fact end of this year we are starting action to free Lurucina from the RoC and TRNC. We are declaring independence.

[boulio]

VP it was for self determination thats all.

[EPSILON]

Georgadjis joined the ranks of EOKA in his twenties and assumed the nom de guerre Laertes. He became regional commander of EOKA operations in Nicosia, not that different to some of our forum family members.

Sorry, I should have qualified regarding murderous activities of regional comander of EOKA. I took it for granted that these kinds of murders were covered in the GC History syllabus. Silly me.

Absolute rubbish Fred. EOKA was revered by the overwhelming population of Cypriots , including my self , for it had as its sole aim the freedom of Cyprus from the British. What do you find so unacceptable or bizarre in the actions of a resistance organization dedicated to the liberation of their nation. Mistakes were made not least ignoring the wishes of The T/Cs , but look at it from the point of view of the vast majority of the Cypriot people . Do you consider that it would have been appropriate for the 80 % of Cypriots to request the concurrence of the T/Cs prior to commencing the struggle.

I have posted before on a number of times that the struggle against the British was not only justified but the moral duty of the Cypriot people to demand their freedom. WITH HINDSIGHT WE HAVE COME TO REALIZE THAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL WAS MISPLACED BUT THE ESSENSE WAS CORRECT.

EOKA was and still is respected by the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people . Do not confuse EOKA with what followed , EOKA B.
A hell of a lot of propaganda rubbish has been posted by a number of sites , even one recently claiming that there had never been Cypriots !!!!
Also claiming that the Ottomans on arriving in Cyprus found only 20 thousand G/Cs !!!
Bullshit and propaganda go hand in hand Fred . My older brother was an active EOKA member , I as a young teenager enlisted and took the oath of EOKA Youth , ANE . Neither my brother nor I harbour and murderous tendencies and neither has regretted one millisecond of our involvement in the struggle against the British .

Miltiades, I did not confuse Eoka from Eoka-B. They are the same organisation. Yorgacis was top guy in the first and had connections with Eoka-B whilst in government. Eoak-B had the same leader as Eoka. Really to insist that they are different is rather childish.

The amazing thing is that a Yorgacis as a minister took part in attempting to Murder the president and with the full knowledge of that, all he gets is forced to resign. He than gets murdered himself and the killers are allowed to escape. To top it all Yorgacis is celebrated.

But the real crime is perpetrated by the current government for not teaching the GC children the history of Cyprus between 1960 and 74 and the media have only publicised it in 2009.

Decent GC should be very embarrassed about this but it seems the morals are not very high, I am afraid.

How would you go on about teaching the young G/Cs of history taking place between 1960 and 1974 ?
Bear in mind that the G/Cs saw Cyprus as their own island historically and viewed the T/Cs as collaborators with the British and above all as determined to achieve partition of their island at all costs.
In my opinion , the enemies of the Cypriot people have been the two cancers , Turkey and Greece. There should be no place for either of these two foreign nations and their flags in Cyprus. I say to hell with Greece , can you say to hell with Turkey ? I very much doubt it mate , because where I and the overwhelming majority of G/Cs see our selves as predominantly Cypriots , you , Fred see your self as predominantly Turkish.

Come along Freddie, take up Milti's challenge and condemn Turkey and then sign The Cypriot's pledge in the other thread.

Come on Freddie, you know you want to.

Well at least we agree on something. To hell with Greece for attempting to annex Cyprus. Now when you talk about me being predominantly Turkish, I say hang on a minute old chap.

Turkey Protected the TCs and particularly my family from being wiped out, as well as financially ever since. I accept that her intentions may not have been totally honourable but as yet RoC has not signed the peace agreement and is equally dishonourable. All we have is a ceasefire. Do excuse me if I have a little doubt about the intentions of RoC, considering what we went through before 74. Now, once the peace agreement is signed if Turkey does not leave the island then you can question my Cypriotness for not supporting it.

Until then I wait in anticipation for the RoC to do the right thing for all Cypriots and stop suffocating the TCs with love.

As to the cancerousness of YFred, I wish it was true and that it is not the RoC which is cancerous, but alas we have to face reality and live in the real world, and certainly not bite the hand that feeds us.
I have been saying all along, remove the suffocation, allow the TCs to begin to live and see which they choose. And yes they do have the right to choose to be in the RoC or not.

We are all entitled to self determination. In fact end of this year we are starting action to free Lurucina from the RoC and TRNC. We are declaring independence.

My Friend you all waiting for G/cs sourrended agreement but -unfortuaatetly for you- you will finally sign this surrounded agreement- you will not even realize this