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Postby Kikapu » Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:51 pm

shahmaran wrote:
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shahmaran wrote:We are literally FUCKING ourselves in the ass for the fight of power.

How can people let this happen, that place is an absolute beauty and not worth any money let alone 15 million god dam pounds


Welcome back, Shah.

As I remember few months ago, this place was up for a sale again and Talat put a stop to it so not to hurt the negotiations. Sounds to me like those who are holding fake deeds to this place are eager to cash in before a settlement is reached. In the end, anyone who is going to lose, is the sucker who buys it, but somehow, no one is going to spend 15 million Pounds without investigating who the land really belongs to, which I suspect, will be state land belonging to the RoC.


Hello Kikapu,

Sounds like a dead end plan, and hopefully it will be so.

However I don't understand the part about it "belonging to the RoC".

Without going into the whole "who is legal and who isn't" argy-bargy; surely it belongs to the Cypriots as a whole and not only to the ones down South?

If it really is state owned anyways.

Don't think any GC owns the place, do they?


Lets not kid ourselves, Shah. RoC has sovereignty over the whole island according to the UN and the EU, where as the "trnc", has ZERO sovereignty over anything. Only what ever land the Turkish Army is holding for now which is not legal according to the UN or the International community in general. So, when I say state land belonging to the RoC, that's what it means, a state land belonging to the RoC government, by which it is owned by all Cypriots, TCs and GC and all other minorities alike. In the event of a settlement, I suspect most of the present RoC state owned land will become Federal Land, which once again will belong to all Cypriots. In a BBF of a north and a south states, then each of those state will also own state (public) land for their states, which will belong to all citizens living within those state.

As to who owns the land, which is the question you raised, this is what the article say;


"The land project consists of 178 privately owned Donums ( original esdeger kocan; i.e. title deeds issued against this family's own extraordinarily valuable Turkish Cypriot land in South Cyprus) and approximately 1,100 Donums of Long-term leased land from the Government for a total of approximately 1,280 donums. The Seller undertakes to transfer the Leased land contract to the Buyer at Closing at no extra cost."

http://www.worldrealtynews.com/relisting_e_389_4527.php

Clearly it appears to be either GC land that has been "exchanged" for TC land in the south and RoC state land.
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Postby EPSILON » Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:52 pm

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denizaksulu wrote:
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shahmaran wrote:Epsilon what makes you think Turkey is not fully democratic? You have had coups in the past, does that mean Greece is not democratic?

Doubt so...


Simple reason i know Turkey much more deeply than many Turks know.


And how would you support your claims Epsilon?

I have spent a lot of time in Turkey, I would love to know what it is that you know and I dont.


Not in this forum/


I see...



Do you think Epsilon is a 'TURK'? :lol:


Maybe an agent of some sort? :lol:


OH.My God!!Neo Cypriots now will fight me because I am Greek and also because I am Turk.What a lack.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:05 pm

Kikapu wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
shahmaran wrote:We are literally FUCKING ourselves in the ass for the fight of power.

How can people let this happen, that place is an absolute beauty and not worth any money let alone 15 million god dam pounds


Welcome back, Shah.

As I remember few months ago, this place was up for a sale again and Talat put a stop to it so not to hurt the negotiations. Sounds to me like those who are holding fake deeds to this place are eager to cash in before a settlement is reached. In the end, anyone who is going to lose, is the sucker who buys it, but somehow, no one is going to spend 15 million Pounds without investigating who the land really belongs to, which I suspect, will be state land belonging to the RoC.


Hello Kikapu,

Sounds like a dead end plan, and hopefully it will be so.

However I don't understand the part about it "belonging to the RoC".

Without going into the whole "who is legal and who isn't" argy-bargy; surely it belongs to the Cypriots as a whole and not only to the ones down South?

If it really is state owned anyways.

Don't think any GC owns the place, do they?


Lets not kid ourselves, Shah. RoC has sovereignty over the whole island according to the UN and the EU, where as the "trnc", has ZERO sovereignty over anything. Only what ever land the Turkish Army is holding for now which is not legal according to the UN or the International community in general. So, when I say state land belonging to the RoC, that's what it means, a state land belonging to the RoC government, by which it is owned by all Cypriots, TCs and GC and all other minorities alike. In the event of a settlement, I suspect most of the present RoC state owned land will become Federal Land, which once again will belong to all Cypriots. In a BBF of a north and a south states, then each of those state will also own state (public) land for their states, which will belong to all citizens living within those state.

As to who owns the land, which is the question you raised, this is what the article say;


"The land project consists of 178 privately owned Donums ( original esdeger kocan; i.e. title deeds issued against this family's own extraordinarily valuable Turkish Cypriot land in South Cyprus) and approximately 1,100 Donums of Long-term leased land from the Government for a total of approximately 1,280 donums. The Seller undertakes to transfer the Leased land contract to the Buyer at Closing at no extra cost."

http://www.worldrealtynews.com/relisting_e_389_4527.php

Clearly it appears to be either GC land that has been "exchanged" for TC land in the south and RoC state land.


Don't forget that article 159 of the TRNC constitution nationalised 'abandoned' GC-owned property, so just because the authorities in the north consider this to be state owned land does not necessarily mean that it is not in reality owned by GCs.
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Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:22 pm

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T_C wrote:OMG, it really is Golden beach! They're selling Golden beach!!!! :shock:


What the fuck!?!

Thats my favourite place in the whole world!

I thought that area was protected, who the hell is doing this? Is it even allowed?

It better not go to the jews! God dam it!


Jewish comment aside, well said mate and respect to you for saying it.

If there's one thing we might all agree on here on CF, it's no more environmental degradation, be it on the Akamas or as here on the Karpas.

... and respect also to those of our northern friends and others who have posted in defense of this very special place.
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Postby Jerry » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:39 pm

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shahmaran wrote:Beats me Epsilon.

But I can say that, as opposed to what people believe about Turkeys views on Cyprus, a decent solution would definitely release a lot of stress off Turkey's back regarding military, politically and mostly economically.

As it must cost Turkey a lot to keep this place going.

So as much as Talat has to "answer" to Turkey, this does not mean it would not allow for an agreement to go through.

The problem lies with unreasonable demands from the RoC, as it seems like they are more after prolonging this "stress" with unreasonable demands in order to push everyone to cave in.

Well this might just fire backwards, you never know.

What do you think?

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T_C wrote:OMG, it really is Golden beach! They're selling Golden beach!!!! :shock:


What the fuck!?!

Thats my favourite place in the whole world!

I thought that area was protected, who the hell is doing this? Is it even allowed?

It better not go to the jews! God dam it!


You, Shahmaran, looking a serious person. can you tell us who is Tallat and what is his role and particularly his capacity on solving Cyprus problem?What is the scope of Cristofias or any other G/cs president or leader-as you prefer- doing by negotiating with someone who can n ot decide but he just have to ask the occuptation forces what to say?

Cristofias, despite i disagree with him, ask nobody, neither ROC's parliament what to discuss or what to agree (remind me a dictador) but Tallat who is he and what his capacity is?


Hi Shah,

Could you please tell me what unreasonable demands the RoC has?


Shah, I'm curious too, what are the unreasonable demands of the ROC?
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Postby YFred » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:40 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
T_C wrote:OMG, it really is Golden beach! They're selling Golden beach!!!! :shock:


What the fuck!?!

Thats my favourite place in the whole world!

I thought that area was protected, who the hell is doing this? Is it even allowed?

It better not go to the jews! God dam it!


Jewish comment aside, well said mate and respect to you for saying it.

If there's one thing we might all agree on here on CF, it's no more environmental degradation, be it on the Akamas or as here on the Karpas.

... and respect also to those of our northern friends and others who have posted in defense of this very special place.

Last time Talat was able to stop it because CTP prime minister was in charge, however now, he has got Eroglu to deal with. He is not called son of soldier for nothing!
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Postby eracles » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:44 pm

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Postby Get Real! » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:46 pm

shahmaran wrote:
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shahmaran wrote:Epsilon what makes you think Turkey is not fully democratic? You have had coups in the past, does that mean Greece is not democratic?

Doubt so...

Simple reason i know Turkey much more deeply than many Turks know.

And how would you support your claims Epsilon?

I have spent a lot of time in Turkey, I would love to know what it is that you know and I dont.

Not in this forum/

I see...

We're talking deep state here... :wink:
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Postby humanist » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:47 pm

I see the Turks are at it again on a bigger scale...... and then they say they want unification hhahahahaha !
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Postby humanist » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:48 pm

I don't see nay of you heroic Turks donating to your properties to anyone? scum!
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