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It is well known , and has been so , that the RoC will never accept a solution that gives Turkey the right of intervention at her whim . No Cypriot will ever accept such an agreement , Turkey is fully aware of the strong opposition to her having guarantor status , talks however continue and it seems to me that Turkeys position on the guarantor status isn't rigid, why else would the talks continue .
We are a European nation and the guarantees ought to be sufficient emanating from the West rather than Turkey whose aspirations to join Europe would suffer greatly by her intransigent position concerning guarantees.
The future of Cyprus is bright , the future of Turkey outside Europe and with her troops on European soil looks rather dim , she knows it only too well .

So you are asking us to accept the EU in place of Turkey?

Our guarantor is the law of the land , it applies to all Cypriots and it is backed by the EU . Are you seriously suggesting that a nation whose overwhelming number of citizens see Turkey as an invader and an occupier should accept this nation as a guarantor ??
Please do me a favour do consider the concerns of the huge majority of Cypriots. It would be a tapestry of justice agreeing to Turkey gaining legal intervention rights in a democratic state member of the EU.
The T/Cs human rights would be protected by the laws of the land and overseen by the EC .

Who would administer these laws? we are not worried about the knife but the surgeon who will use the knife. I can understand your concerns about Turkey but asking us to ditch their guarantee so that you can do whatever you wish without hinderence or deterrant is unbelievable..the trust is just not there so it will be stalemate once again. Maybe a term of transition is necessary so as to build up trust, once Turkey enters the EU then the guarantees can be dissolved but otherwise we are left wide open to manipulation by not only the GCs but Greece and the rest of the EU who we have no reason to trust.

Maybe a term of transition is necessary so as to build up trust, once Turkey enters the EU then the guarantees can be dissolved

I don't get your above logic. First you say you do not trust the EU for protection, therefore you want security of Turkey, but once Turkey becomes a EU member, then you will trust the EU.!

Can you please explain this to me.!

Because Turkey will also be in the EU.

So what.! They will not be able to do anything unilaterally, so how will that help the TCs. Sorry, you have given me a very poor answer, so please try again.

Have you ever heard how the south got into the EU? im sure you can work out why its vital for us to either have Turkeys guarantee or them in the EU with us, this will also maintain the GC support for Turkeys entry and not allow them to turn theirbacks the moment they have what they want.

I can understand in maintaining "GCs" interest (actually, it will be the unified country's interest, which also includes the TCs from then on) in letting Turkey into the EU, but that's another issue all together and has nothing to do with the safety of the TCs in Cyprus.

Besides, were you not telling us all along that the little RoC's veto powers does not mean anything as far as letting Turkey into the EU club. Why the concern all of a sudden.!

You are again trying to lead us into capitulation, people understand exactly where your priorities lay and its has nothing to so with "True Democracy and Human Rights" thats just the label for your receipt of TCs being absorbed by GCs.

I have asked you for an explanation on the above subject and not a bloody lecture on unrelated matters you damn fool. Now go to bed and sleep it off you damn clown.!

I have repeatedly asked you not to insult me personally, either ADMIN step in and take immediate action or I to will start to insult you in a manner you will not like, this is your last warning.

VP, thats exactly what he wants you to do because an angry mind is not a clear mind. You can play him at his own game in a calm collected and reasonable way. He can't beat it. When the final agreement comes along at the end of the year, it will be very clear who is off their rocker and who is not.
I wouldn't get too upset if I was you. He is not worth it.

YFred im trying to stay calm but everyone has a limit and he is very close to getting a mouthfull of verbal abuse, but I have appealed to admin if they do not act soon I will let rip....so its over to admin..his posts are just getting worse and worse.

[growuptcs]

It is well known , and has been so , that the RoC will never accept a solution that gives Turkey the right of intervention at her whim . No Cypriot will ever accept such an agreement , Turkey is fully aware of the strong opposition to her having guarantor status , talks however continue and it seems to me that Turkeys position on the guarantor status isn't rigid, why else would the talks continue .
We are a European nation and the guarantees ought to be sufficient emanating from the West rather than Turkey whose aspirations to join Europe would suffer greatly by her intransigent position concerning guarantees.
The future of Cyprus is bright , the future of Turkey outside Europe and with her troops on European soil looks rather dim , she knows it only too well .

So you are asking us to accept the EU in place of Turkey?

Our guarantor is the law of the land , it applies to all Cypriots and it is backed by the EU . Are you seriously suggesting that a nation whose overwhelming number of citizens see Turkey as an invader and an occupier should accept this nation as a guarantor ??
Please do me a favour do consider the concerns of the huge majority of Cypriots. It would be a tapestry of justice agreeing to Turkey gaining legal intervention rights in a democratic state member of the EU.
The T/Cs human rights would be protected by the laws of the land and overseen by the EC .

Who would administer these laws? we are not worried about the knife but the surgeon who will use the knife. I can understand your concerns about Turkey but asking us to ditch their guarantee so that you can do whatever you wish without hinderence or deterrant is unbelievable..the trust is just not there so it will be stalemate once again. Maybe a term of transition is necessary so as to build up trust, once Turkey enters the EU then the guarantees can be dissolved but otherwise we are left wide open to manipulation by not only the GCs but Greece and the rest of the EU who we have no reason to trust.

Maybe a term of transition is necessary so as to build up trust, once Turkey enters the EU then the guarantees can be dissolved

I don't get your above logic. First you say you do not trust the EU for protection, therefore you want security of Turkey, but once Turkey becomes a EU member, then you will trust the EU.!

Can you please explain this to me.!

Because Turkey will also be in the EU.

So what.! They will not be able to do anything unilaterally, so how will that help the TCs. Sorry, you have given me a very poor answer, so please try again.

Have you ever heard how the south got into the EU? im sure you can work out why its vital for us to either have Turkeys guarantee or them in the EU with us, this will also maintain the GC support for Turkeys entry and not allow them to turn theirbacks the moment they have what they want.

I can understand in maintaining "GCs" interest (actually, it will be the unified country's interest, which also includes the TCs from then on) in letting Turkey into the EU, but that's another issue all together and has nothing to do with the safety of the TCs in Cyprus.

Besides, were you not telling us all along that the little RoC's veto powers does not mean anything as far as letting Turkey into the EU club. Why the concern all of a sudden.!

You are again trying to lead us into capitulation, people understand exactly where your priorities lay and its has nothing to so with "True Democracy and Human Rights" thats just the label for your receipt of TCs being absorbed by GCs.

I have asked you for an explanation on the above subject and not a bloody lecture on unrelated matters you damn fool. Now go to bed and sleep it off you damn clown.!

I have repeatedly asked you not to insult me personally, either ADMIN step in and take immediate action or I to will start to insult you in a manner you will not like, this is your last warning.

VP, thats exactly what he wants you to do because an angry mind is not a clear mind. You can play him at his own game in a calm collected and reasonable way. He can't beat it. When the final agreement comes along at the end of the year, it will be very clear who is off their rocker and who is not.
I wouldn't get too upset if I was you. He is not worth it.

YFred im trying to stay calm but everyone has a limit and he is very close to getting a mouthfull of verbal abuse, but I have appealed to admin if they do not act soon I will let rip....so its over to admin..his posts are just getting worse and worse.

Turning to gas-warfare now pinnochio?

[YFred]

It is well known , and has been so , that the RoC will never accept a solution that gives Turkey the right of intervention at her whim . No Cypriot will ever accept such an agreement , Turkey is fully aware of the strong opposition to her having guarantor status , talks however continue and it seems to me that Turkeys position on the guarantor status isn't rigid, why else would the talks continue .
We are a European nation and the guarantees ought to be sufficient emanating from the West rather than Turkey whose aspirations to join Europe would suffer greatly by her intransigent position concerning guarantees.
The future of Cyprus is bright , the future of Turkey outside Europe and with her troops on European soil looks rather dim , she knows it only too well .

So you are asking us to accept the EU in place of Turkey?

Our guarantor is the law of the land , it applies to all Cypriots and it is backed by the EU . Are you seriously suggesting that a nation whose overwhelming number of citizens see Turkey as an invader and an occupier should accept this nation as a guarantor ??
Please do me a favour do consider the concerns of the huge majority of Cypriots. It would be a tapestry of justice agreeing to Turkey gaining legal intervention rights in a democratic state member of the EU.
The T/Cs human rights would be protected by the laws of the land and overseen by the EC .

Who would administer these laws? we are not worried about the knife but the surgeon who will use the knife. I can understand your concerns about Turkey but asking us to ditch their guarantee so that you can do whatever you wish without hinderence or deterrant is unbelievable..the trust is just not there so it will be stalemate once again. Maybe a term of transition is necessary so as to build up trust, once Turkey enters the EU then the guarantees can be dissolved but otherwise we are left wide open to manipulation by not only the GCs but Greece and the rest of the EU who we have no reason to trust.

Maybe a term of transition is necessary so as to build up trust, once Turkey enters the EU then the guarantees can be dissolved

I don't get your above logic. First you say you do not trust the EU for protection, therefore you want security of Turkey, but once Turkey becomes a EU member, then you will trust the EU.!

Can you please explain this to me.!

Because Turkey will also be in the EU.

So what.! They will not be able to do anything unilaterally, so how will that help the TCs. Sorry, you have given me a very poor answer, so please try again.

Have you ever heard how the south got into the EU? im sure you can work out why its vital for us to either have Turkeys guarantee or them in the EU with us, this will also maintain the GC support for Turkeys entry and not allow them to turn theirbacks the moment they have what they want.

I can understand in maintaining "GCs" interest (actually, it will be the unified country's interest, which also includes the TCs from then on) in letting Turkey into the EU, but that's another issue all together and has nothing to do with the safety of the TCs in Cyprus.

Besides, were you not telling us all along that the little RoC's veto powers does not mean anything as far as letting Turkey into the EU club. Why the concern all of a sudden.!

You are again trying to lead us into capitulation, people understand exactly where your priorities lay and its has nothing to so with "True Democracy and Human Rights" thats just the label for your receipt of TCs being absorbed by GCs.

I have asked you for an explanation on the above subject and not a bloody lecture on unrelated matters you damn fool. Now go to bed and sleep it off you damn clown.!

I have repeatedly asked you not to insult me personally, either ADMIN step in and take immediate action or I to will start to insult you in a manner you will not like, this is your last warning.

VP, thats exactly what he wants you to do because an angry mind is not a clear mind. You can play him at his own game in a calm collected and reasonable way. He can't beat it. When the final agreement comes along at the end of the year, it will be very clear who is off their rocker and who is not.
I wouldn't get too upset if I was you. He is not worth it.

YFred im trying to stay calm but everyone has a limit and he is very close to getting a mouthfull of verbal abuse, but I have appealed to admin if they do not act soon I will let rip....so its over to admin..his posts are just getting worse and worse.

Turning to gas-warfare now pinnochio?

Re gumbare, we all growed up. Where have you been?

[growuptcs]

Been trying to avoid this site but that never worked out, so I'm back for some more rubbish reading.

[repulsewarrior]

Surely neither Greece or Turkey have any Intervention rights. only Cypriots from both communities should decide which is best for them.

welcome jetstar

[Lit]

Cakici said has no hope on the ongoing negotiations in Cyprus
Turkish Cypriot daily Star Kibris newspaper (12.07.09) reports that Mehmet Cakici, chairman of the Social Democracy Party (TDP) has said that he has no hope regarding the ongoing negotiations for reaching a solution to the Cyprus problem.

Mr Cakici evaluated the Cyprus negotiations at a program of presented by Ada television the night before yesterday. He said that he participated in a meeting upon an invitation by the Swedish ambassador to Lefkosia and talked with President Christofias there. He noted that as he understood from what President Christofias told him, the agreement to be reached will be the continuation of the Republic of Cyprus which will be turned into a bi-zonal federation.

Mr Cakici alleged that the statements of the Swedish ambassador to Lefkosia contradict with the statements of the Swedish Minister of Foreign Affairs. He noted that the ambassador stated that Turkey should fulfill its obligations towards the Republic of Cyprus, which an EU-member state, open its sea and airports to the Cypriot vessels and airplanes and withdraw its troops from the island. He argued that when he reminded to the ambassador the statements made by the Swedish Minister of Foreign Affairs who said that his country supports Turkeys accession to the EU, the ambassador refrained from answering.

Mr Cakici estimated that Turkey will open its ports to Cyprus by the end of this year and argued that this will not mean recognition of the Republic of Cyprus.

[Lit]

PRESIDENT CHRISTOFIAS CYPRUS ISSUE
Cyprus does not need guarantees after the solution of the Cyprus problem, President of the Republic Demetris Christofias has said.

The Cypriot President clarified that he has not given any alternative suggestions for the continuation of the guarantor systems and reiterated, Our position is that Cyprus does not need any guarantees.

In statements to the Press after a visit he had paid to the Institute of Neurology and Genetics, President Christofias underlined that the people of Cyprus have suffered as a result of the guarantors, adding that he does not suggest Cypriots or some Cypriots do not bear any responsibility.

However, he said, as people who have suffered we would not like the continuation of guarantees. We have stated this position in public and during the negotiations, we submitted our argumentation to support it, and the negotiation process continues.

Finally, Christofias dismissed comments regarding the negotiations and namely the issue of red lines, underlining that he does not discusses or accepts any red lines set by Turkey.

Cyprus, which joined the EU in 2004, has been divided since 1974, when Turkey invaded and occupied its northern third. The leaders of the two communities in Cyprus have been engaged in UN-led direct negotiations since September 2008, with an aim to reunite the island.

President Demetris Christofias and Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat began the discussion of issues relating to guarantees, during their 36th meeting on July 9.