Cyprus-Forum.com

[Viewpoint]

It is well known , and has been so , that the RoC will never accept a solution that gives Turkey the right of intervention at her whim . No Cypriot will ever accept such an agreement , Turkey is fully aware of the strong opposition to her having guarantor status , talks however continue and it seems to me that Turkeys position on the guarantor status isn't rigid, why else would the talks continue .
We are a European nation and the guarantees ought to be sufficient emanating from the West rather than Turkey whose aspirations to join Europe would suffer greatly by her intransigent position concerning guarantees.
The future of Cyprus is bright , the future of Turkey outside Europe and with her troops on European soil looks rather dim , she knows it only too well .

So you are asking us to accept the EU in place of Turkey?

Our guarantor is the law of the land , it applies to all Cypriots and it is backed by the EU . Are you seriously suggesting that a nation whose overwhelming number of citizens see Turkey as an invader and an occupier should accept this nation as a guarantor ??
Please do me a favour do consider the concerns of the huge majority of Cypriots. It would be a tapestry of justice agreeing to Turkey gaining legal intervention rights in a democratic state member of the EU.
The T/Cs human rights would be protected by the laws of the land and overseen by the EC .

Who would administer these laws? we are not worried about the knife but the surgeon who will use the knife. I can understand your concerns about Turkey but asking us to ditch their guarantee so that you can do whatever you wish without hinderence or deterrant is unbelievable..the trust is just not there so it will be stalemate once again. Maybe a term of transition is necessary so as to build up trust, once Turkey enters the EU then the guarantees can be dissolved but otherwise we are left wide open to manipulation by not only the GCs but Greece and the rest of the EU who we have no reason to trust.

[bill cobbett]

The Malignant Cancer that is Turkey must be cut out of CY.

This Fasist Militaristic Scumbag of a Nation tore up and shat on any guarantor priveleges it had in the Napalming of Tylliria in 64, the invasion of 1974 with its thousands of murders and rapings, the ethnic cleansing of both communities, thirty-five years of occupation and isolation of the tissies, the setting up of Nowhere Land in 1983, the list is endless!

Guarantee? The only thing that is guaranteed by this Toss-Pot of a nation is future interference at any time it chooses by instructing it's agents to cause trouble.

[Viewpoint]

The Malignant Cancer that is Turkey must be cut out of CY.

This Fasist Militaristic Scumbag of a Nation tore up and shat on any guarantor priveleges it had in the Napalming of Tylliria in 64, the invasion of 1974 with its thousands of murders and rapings, the ethnic cleansing of both communities, thirty-five years of occupation and isolation of the tissies, the setting up of Nowhere Land in 1983, the list is endless!

Guarantee? The only thing that is guaranteed by this Toss-Pot of a nation is future interference at any time it chooses by instructing it's agents to cause trouble.

I and many other TCs want Turkish guarantees, we do not have any eason to trust anyone else.

[boulio]

I and many other TCs want Turkish guarantees, we do not have any eason to trust anyone else.

then move to turkey.

[bill cobbett]

The Malignant Cancer that is Turkey must be cut out of CY.

This Fasist Militaristic Scumbag of a Nation tore up and shat on any guarantor priveleges it had in the Napalming of Tylliria in 64, the invasion of 1974 with its thousands of murders and rapings, the ethnic cleansing of both communities, thirty-five years of occupation and isolation of the tissies, the setting up of Nowhere Land in 1983, the list is endless!

Guarantee? The only thing that is guaranteed by this Toss-Pot of a nation is future interference at any time it chooses by instructing it's agents to cause trouble.

I and many other TCs want Turkish guarantees, we do not have any eason to trust anyone else.

The matter is not in your hands.

Post-settlement there will be as many guarantees and guarantor powers in CY as they have over in Malta which are .... None!

[Viewpoint]

The Malignant Cancer that is Turkey must be cut out of CY.

This Fasist Militaristic Scumbag of a Nation tore up and shat on any guarantor priveleges it had in the Napalming of Tylliria in 64, the invasion of 1974 with its thousands of murders and rapings, the ethnic cleansing of both communities, thirty-five years of occupation and isolation of the tissies, the setting up of Nowhere Land in 1983, the list is endless!

Guarantee? The only thing that is guaranteed by this Toss-Pot of a nation is future interference at any time it chooses by instructing it's agents to cause trouble.

I and many other TCs want Turkish guarantees, we do not have any eason to trust anyone else.

The matter is not in your hands.

Post-settlement there will be as many guarantees and guarantor powers in CY as they have over in Malta which are .... None!

Then no deal.

[Kikapu]

It is well known , and has been so , that the RoC will never accept a solution that gives Turkey the right of intervention at her whim . No Cypriot will ever accept such an agreement , Turkey is fully aware of the strong opposition to her having guarantor status , talks however continue and it seems to me that Turkeys position on the guarantor status isn't rigid, why else would the talks continue .
We are a European nation and the guarantees ought to be sufficient emanating from the West rather than Turkey whose aspirations to join Europe would suffer greatly by her intransigent position concerning guarantees.
The future of Cyprus is bright , the future of Turkey outside Europe and with her troops on European soil looks rather dim , she knows it only too well .

So you are asking us to accept the EU in place of Turkey?

Our guarantor is the law of the land , it applies to all Cypriots and it is backed by the EU . Are you seriously suggesting that a nation whose overwhelming number of citizens see Turkey as an invader and an occupier should accept this nation as a guarantor ??
Please do me a favour do consider the concerns of the huge majority of Cypriots. It would be a tapestry of justice agreeing to Turkey gaining legal intervention rights in a democratic state member of the EU.
The T/Cs human rights would be protected by the laws of the land and overseen by the EC .

Who would administer these laws? we are not worried about the knife but the surgeon who will use the knife. I can understand your concerns about Turkey but asking us to ditch their guarantee so that you can do whatever you wish without hinderence or deterrant is unbelievable..the trust is just not there so it will be stalemate once again. Maybe a term of transition is necessary so as to build up trust, once Turkey enters the EU then the guarantees can be dissolved but otherwise we are left wide open to manipulation by not only the GCs but Greece and the rest of the EU who we have no reason to trust.

Maybe a term of transition is necessary so as to build up trust, once Turkey enters the EU then the guarantees can be dissolved

I don't get your above logic. First you say you do not trust the EU for protection, therefore you want security of Turkey, but once Turkey becomes a EU member, then you will trust the EU.!

Can you please explain this to me.!

[Viewpoint]

It is well known , and has been so , that the RoC will never accept a solution that gives Turkey the right of intervention at her whim . No Cypriot will ever accept such an agreement , Turkey is fully aware of the strong opposition to her having guarantor status , talks however continue and it seems to me that Turkeys position on the guarantor status isn't rigid, why else would the talks continue .
We are a European nation and the guarantees ought to be sufficient emanating from the West rather than Turkey whose aspirations to join Europe would suffer greatly by her intransigent position concerning guarantees.
The future of Cyprus is bright , the future of Turkey outside Europe and with her troops on European soil looks rather dim , she knows it only too well .

So you are asking us to accept the EU in place of Turkey?

Our guarantor is the law of the land , it applies to all Cypriots and it is backed by the EU . Are you seriously suggesting that a nation whose overwhelming number of citizens see Turkey as an invader and an occupier should accept this nation as a guarantor ??
Please do me a favour do consider the concerns of the huge majority of Cypriots. It would be a tapestry of justice agreeing to Turkey gaining legal intervention rights in a democratic state member of the EU.
The T/Cs human rights would be protected by the laws of the land and overseen by the EC .

Who would administer these laws? we are not worried about the knife but the surgeon who will use the knife. I can understand your concerns about Turkey but asking us to ditch their guarantee so that you can do whatever you wish without hinderence or deterrant is unbelievable..the trust is just not there so it will be stalemate once again. Maybe a term of transition is necessary so as to build up trust, once Turkey enters the EU then the guarantees can be dissolved but otherwise we are left wide open to manipulation by not only the GCs but Greece and the rest of the EU who we have no reason to trust.

Maybe a term of transition is necessary so as to build up trust, once Turkey enters the EU then the guarantees can be dissolved

I don't get your above logic. First you say you do not trust the EU for protection, therefore you want security of Turkey, but once Turkey becomes a EU member, then you will trust the EU.!

Can you please explain this to me.!

Because Turkey will also be in the EU.

[paliometoxo]

in what fantasy world of yours will turkey join europe?

[Viewpoint]

in what fantasy world of yours will turkey join europe?

Then the guarantees will remain in place.