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[Paphitis]

u will wait ..... no one is withdrawing from talks .

I know the RoC will not withdraw. Eroglu will withdraw shortly after the EU Progress report.

[DT.]

It is true ... from both side of the Cyprus will decide . Like what we said at latest AP. Both sides decide .
Without Turkeys guarantees i am hundred percent sure there will be huge percentage OHI from Turkish Cypriots . I always prefair to tell public opinion in here . I bet u are saying same thing about your public opinion too ......

it looks 1+1 = 0 ...................

There will be nothing to decide on since Turkey insists on guarantees. We will just have to wait for your side to withdraw from the negotiations shortly after December.

The problem you have Halil is that the world has already heard our no. They also know the reasons behind that no. No one is going to blame the GC's for saying no to something that was refused in the past.

The TC's on the other hand have been telling the entire world while Tpap was President that they are doing evertyhing possible for a solution and that they are willing to compromise.

Who do you think will most of the international pressure be on then?

[boomerang]

the talks will go on and comes december turkey gets the boot bayaraki boy...

then the US might make you part of NAFTA...they really are hanging out for a union with you...

[boomerang]

They have sold us a solution for Cyprus by Cypriots and now they changed their mind...this is what ist come down to...lies and full of shit...

Now they are saying no to a solution for Cyprus by Cypriots, only by strangers...bloody hell make up your bloody mind ffs...

...and then you have VP asking why we do not believe/trust tcs...is this somekind of a joke?...bloody clowns...

[halil]

It is true ... from both side of the Cyprus will decide . Like what we said at latest AP. Both sides decide .
Without Turkeys guarantees i am hundred percent sure there will be huge percentage OHI from Turkish Cypriots . I always prefair to tell public opinion in here . I bet u are saying same thing about your public opinion too ......

it looks 1+1 = 0 ...................

There will be nothing to decide on since Turkey insists on guarantees. We will just have to wait for your side to withdraw from the negotiations shortly after December.

The problem you have Halil is that the world has already heard our no. They also know the reasons behind that no. No one is going to blame the GC's for saying no to something that was refused in the past.

The TC's on the other hand have been telling the entire world while Tpap was President that they are doing evertyhing possible for a solution and that they are willing to compromise.

Who do you think will most of the international pressure be on then?

Yes DT,
world knows why u said no and why Tc's said yes . From here both sides needs some kind of quide to close the gap between themself . both sides has different kind of worries ,concerns , fears what else i can say ?

you are right they are doing their bests to find solution . There must be will for compromise ..... not to think all the time i must be the winner . They might agreed on win ....win basis DT .... how they can adopt the public is very important . we are not living at moon mate .... u know what u and your public opinion thinks .This is the hardest part of it .... to many question marks in my head . HOW ....HOW ....Hooowwwwwwww ??????

[paliometoxo]

turkey insits not only on gasrantees which gcs will NEVER accept for garantees from turkey or two states which ankara insists on which we will NEVER accept...

[Paphitis]

It is true ... from both side of the Cyprus will decide . Like what we said at latest AP. Both sides decide .
Without Turkeys guarantees i am hundred percent sure there will be huge percentage OHI from Turkish Cypriots . I always prefair to tell public opinion in here . I bet u are saying same thing about your public opinion too ......

it looks 1+1 = 0 ...................

There will be nothing to decide on since Turkey insists on guarantees. We will just have to wait for your side to withdraw from the negotiations shortly after December.

The problem you have Halil is that the world has already heard our no. They also know the reasons behind that no. No one is going to blame the GC's for saying no to something that was refused in the past.

The TC's on the other hand have been telling the entire world while Tpap was President that they are doing evertyhing possible for a solution and that they are willing to compromise.

Who do you think will most of the international pressure be on then?

Yes DT,
world knows why u said no and why Tc's said yes . From here both sides needs some kind of quide to close the gap between themself . both sides has different kind of worries ,concerns , fears what else i can say ?

you are right they are doing their bests to find solution . There must be will for compromise ..... not to think all the time i must be the winner . They might agreed on win ....win basis DT .... how they can adopt the public is very important . we are not living at moon mate .... u know what u and your public opinion thinks .This is the hardest part of it .... to many question marks in my head . HOW ....HOW ....Hooowwwwwwww ??????

Treaty of Guarantee from Turkey are not acceptable to us. We cannot compromise on this as we are an independent country and a member of the EU.

Our guarantee is from the EU Charter.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=24795

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=24816

We will NEVER accept intervention rights from Turkey...

[YFred]

It is true ... from both side of the Cyprus will decide . Like what we said at latest AP. Both sides decide .
Without Turkeys guarantees i am hundred percent sure there will be huge percentage OHI from Turkish Cypriots . I always prefair to tell public opinion in here . I bet u are saying same thing about your public opinion too ......

it looks 1+1 = 0 ...................

There will be nothing to decide on since Turkey insists on guarantees. We will just have to wait for your side to withdraw from the negotiations shortly after December.

The problem you have Halil is that the world has already heard our no. They also know the reasons behind that no. No one is going to blame the GC's for saying no to something that was refused in the past.

The TC's on the other hand have been telling the entire world while Tpap was President that they are doing evertyhing possible for a solution and that they are willing to compromise.

Who do you think will most of the international pressure be on then?

Yes DT,
world knows why u said no and why Tc's said yes . From here both sides needs some kind of quide to close the gap between themself . both sides has different kind of worries ,concerns , fears what else i can say ?

you are right they are doing their bests to find solution . There must be will for compromise ..... not to think all the time i must be the winner . They might agreed on win ....win basis DT .... how they can adopt the public is very important . we are not living at moon mate .... u know what u and your public opinion thinks .This is the hardest part of it .... to many question marks in my head . HOW ....HOW ....Hooowwwwwwww ??????

Treaty of Guarantee from Turkey are not acceptable to us. We cannot compromise on this as we are an independent country and a member of the EU.

Our guarantee is from the EU Charter.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=24795

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=24816

We will NEVER accept intervention rights from Turkey...

Is this the same EU Charter that includes extraordinary rendition. You can have that down south where human rights are not so valued particularly for TCs and other Non-GCs. In the north we are too civilised for that sort of behaviour, old chap.

Are you aware how many torture planes have gone through Larnaka airport? and are you also aware how many torture prisons there are in the EU.

So if you don’t mind the TCs will stick to the current protector till such times as they can have confidence and then perhaps they can be persuaded to switch.

[EPSILON]

who cares what Garoyian says .

he is only one side of the Cyprus problem .

What ever he says does not get any credit from Turkish Cypriots sides .

What ever he says there 5 sides in Cyprus.

GC's+ Greece
TC's+Turkey
and finally UK .

Our side can never accept Turkey having intervention rights I'm afraid.

So it looks like their will be nothing we can agree on. Too bad for you then...

It is true .there is a differences between two sides . thats why there must be conferances and talks between with both parties .(TC's+Turkey+Greece+GC's+UK) without their signatures nothing is valid .

For the time being please delete Greece from your list. It's foreign minister does not remember that even is an Island there and there is a problem dealing with 850000 Greeks. She looks like be affected by alshaimer!!!

[DT.]

Is this the same EU Charter that includes extraordinary rendition. You can have that down south where human rights are not so valued particularly for TCs and other Non-GCs. In the north we are too civilised for that sort of behaviour, old chap.

Are you aware how many torture planes have gone through Larnaka airport? and are you also aware how many torture prisons there are in the EU.

So if you don’t mind the TCs will stick to the current protector till such times as they can have confidence and then perhaps they can be persuaded to switch.

Just let me know how many pics of tc policemen beating a man to death you'd like me to post to validate your fabulous human rights record.