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[halil]

... You are aware that settlers give new names to areas they settle in..

Do tell us when illegal Settlers last took over Sovereign territory and renamed it ?

Did I say anything about illegal settlers? As far as I am concerned they can go back from where they came from.

So why are you justifying the renaming of places in Cyprus by illegal settlers?

I said it was the 'done thing', I did not or do not justify any name changes in Cyprus. I dont know what gave you that idea agapi mou!!

I think Viewpoint does it simply to wind Cypriots up. He seems to delight in this for some reason. He seems to feed off the hurt he causes.

May be so, but I am 63 years old and since my childhood Varosia was always known as Marash to the Turkish Cypriots. Assuming VP is younger than me, he would not be familiar with the original Greek Cypriot nomenclature. On a similar vein, I know not any new names in the north. If I pass through Trikomo in search of some relatives I have to wonder what the new name is. My villagers now reside in Ay. Sergios (nr. Famagusta) or should I say Ammochostos. They still call it Ay Sergi. All peope are different.

At the moment I am rying to find out the oldest reference to the name Marash for Varoshia. I will find out tomorrow at work.

I wanted to safe your time Deniz !

Varosha : Greek Name

MERASH : Antique name

finally it is called Maraş by Turkish Cypriots .

[Oracle]

It's not just about "winding up" on the forum .. the reality is these name changes have taken place with obvious consequences, and the more people bring these matters up, the less likely the Turks will so easily achieve their aims!

It's part of the "We shall never forget!" mentality.

Nobody ca expect any Cypriot, whether Turkish or Greek even Armenian Cypriots to forget anything. Humanly impossible. What we have to look forward to is ' can we get on with our lives together?'

Fro your past posts I see that you will never forget what you went through during yor chilhood. Others too have had similar or worse experiences. What do we do? live apart with hatred?

Dont forget that 'winding up' in whatever form has been going on for a long time. Then there comes a time that it gets too painful. Do you think I dont feel pain whenever you 'wind us up?' or 'talk down to us?'.

The whole name change thing is done with a view to erasing the past ... which preempts an expectation to forget.

I do not talk "down" to Turk-TCs ... they are down! ... I consider them as low as humans can possibly go because of their continued occupation of nearly half my country!

Exactly; this is the attitude we have to put up with.

I see the Cypriot does not have such patience as some members do. Painful? Indeed.

So, are you suggesting you can carry on occupying our country, and we must start looking up to you?

Is that in the 'singular?' If yes, please be my guest.

Otherwise, we treat everyone as equals and not look/talk down or otherwise.

Sorry, I was taught (UK) to look down on thieves and violators of human rights. Such perpetrators (Cyprus-occupying Turk-TCs) are morally wrong; and unless they treat others rightfully, they are not to be looked on as civilised equals to whom we must look upon for guidance.

First, one must ensure that their own house is neat and tidy before the sweeping statements. Once you agree that there was a corner in your house that you missed out, then you can throw stones.

If you wish, I can show you an 'onest TC for starters.

Sorry Deniz ... but generalisations that pay lip-service to some notion of "throwing stones" do not apply when one has nearly half their country occupied by a foreign invader and is subjected to racist segregation, crimes of immeasurable proportions .... It's like saying don't punish a murderer because you may be guilty of having smacked someone once!

[denizaksulu]

It's not just about "winding up" on the forum .. the reality is these name changes have taken place with obvious consequences, and the more people bring these matters up, the less likely the Turks will so easily achieve their aims!

It's part of the "We shall never forget!" mentality.

Nobody ca expect any Cypriot, whether Turkish or Greek even Armenian Cypriots to forget anything. Humanly impossible. What we have to look forward to is ' can we get on with our lives together?'

Fro your past posts I see that you will never forget what you went through during yor chilhood. Others too have had similar or worse experiences. What do we do? live apart with hatred?

Dont forget that 'winding up' in whatever form has been going on for a long time. Then there comes a time that it gets too painful. Do you think I dont feel pain whenever you 'wind us up?' or 'talk down to us?'.

The whole name change thing is done with a view to erasing the past ... which preempts an expectation to forget.

I do not talk "down" to Turk-TCs ... they are down! ... I consider them as low as humans can possibly go because of their continued occupation of nearly half my country!

Exactly; this is the attitude we have to put up with.

I see the Cypriot does not have such patience as some members do. Painful? Indeed.

So, are you suggesting you can carry on occupying our country, and we must start looking up to you?

Is that in the 'singular?' If yes, please be my guest.

Otherwise, we treat everyone as equals and not look/talk down or otherwise.

Sorry, I was taught (UK) to look down on thieves and violators of human rights. Such perpetrators (Cyprus-occupying Turk-TCs) are morally wrong; and unless they treat others rightfully, they are not to be looked on as civilised equals to whom we must look upon for guidance.

First, one must ensure that their own house is neat and tidy before the sweeping statements. Once you agree that there was a corner in your house that you missed out, then you can throw stones.

If you wish, I can show you an 'onest TC for starters.

Sorry Deniz ... but generalisations that pay lip-service to some notion of "throwing stones" do not apply when one has nearly half their country occupied by a foreign invader and is subjected to racist segregation, crimes of immeasurable proportions .... It's like saying don't punish a murderer because you may be guilty of having smacked someone once!

Punish the murderers by all means. No crime should go unpunished.

Ethnic cleansing is abhorable, lets hope a way is found to reverse this.

I do not make any excuses for any criminal behaiviour.

But....................

....we have been here so many times.

[denizaksulu]

... You are aware that settlers give new names to areas they settle in..

Do tell us when illegal Settlers last took over Sovereign territory and renamed it ?

Did I say anything about illegal settlers? As far as I am concerned they can go back from where they came from.

So why are you justifying the renaming of places in Cyprus by illegal settlers?

I said it was the 'done thing', I did not or do not justify any name changes in Cyprus. I dont know what gave you that idea agapi mou!!

I think Viewpoint does it simply to wind Cypriots up. He seems to delight in this for some reason. He seems to feed off the hurt he causes.

May be so, but I am 63 years old and since my childhood Varosia was always known as Marash to the Turkish Cypriots. Assuming VP is younger than me, he would not be familiar with the original Greek Cypriot nomenclature. On a similar vein, I know not any new names in the north. If I pass through Trikomo in search of some relatives I have to wonder what the new name is. My villagers now reside in Ay. Sergios (nr. Famagusta) or should I say Ammochostos. They still call it Ay Sergi. All peope are different.

At the moment I am rying to find out the oldest reference to the name Marash for Varoshia. I will find out tomorrow at work.

I wanted to safe your time Deniz !

Varosha : Greek Name

MERASH : Antique name

finally it is called Maraş by Turkish Cypriots .

Thanks Halil.

Can you provide any link? I could not find any. My maps are not detailed enough.

[halil]

... You are aware that settlers give new names to areas they settle in..

Do tell us when illegal Settlers last took over Sovereign territory and renamed it ?

Did I say anything about illegal settlers? As far as I am concerned they can go back from where they came from.

So why are you justifying the renaming of places in Cyprus by illegal settlers?

I said it was the 'done thing', I did not or do not justify any name changes in Cyprus. I dont know what gave you that idea agapi mou!!

I think Viewpoint does it simply to wind Cypriots up. He seems to delight in this for some reason. He seems to feed off the hurt he causes.

May be so, but I am 63 years old and since my childhood Varosia was always known as Marash to the Turkish Cypriots. Assuming VP is younger than me, he would not be familiar with the original Greek Cypriot nomenclature. On a similar vein, I know not any new names in the north. If I pass through Trikomo in search of some relatives I have to wonder what the new name is. My villagers now reside in Ay. Sergios (nr. Famagusta) or should I say Ammochostos. They still call it Ay Sergi. All peope are different.

At the moment I am rying to find out the oldest reference to the name Marash for Varoshia. I will find out tomorrow at work.

I wanted to safe your time Deniz !

Varosha : Greek Name

MERASH : Antique name

finally it is called Maraş by Turkish Cypriots .

Thanks Halil.

Can you provide any link? I could not find any. My maps are not detailed enough.

I found the name from the book called ''Names of the locations of Cyprus lost in the depths of 2500 years of history ''

Merash names goes back to assyrians . pers times also there is a place in Iran called Merash too .

[denizaksulu]

... You are aware that settlers give new names to areas they settle in..

Do tell us when illegal Settlers last took over Sovereign territory and renamed it ?

Did I say anything about illegal settlers? As far as I am concerned they can go back from where they came from.

So why are you justifying the renaming of places in Cyprus by illegal settlers?

I said it was the 'done thing', I did not or do not justify any name changes in Cyprus. I dont know what gave you that idea agapi mou!!

I think Viewpoint does it simply to wind Cypriots up. He seems to delight in this for some reason. He seems to feed off the hurt he causes.

May be so, but I am 63 years old and since my childhood Varosia was always known as Marash to the Turkish Cypriots. Assuming VP is younger than me, he would not be familiar with the original Greek Cypriot nomenclature. On a similar vein, I know not any new names in the north. If I pass through Trikomo in search of some relatives I have to wonder what the new name is. My villagers now reside in Ay. Sergios (nr. Famagusta) or should I say Ammochostos. They still call it Ay Sergi. All peope are different.

At the moment I am rying to find out the oldest reference to the name Marash for Varoshia. I will find out tomorrow at work.

I wanted to safe your time Deniz !

Varosha : Greek Name

MERASH : Antique name

finally it is called Maraş by Turkish Cypriots .

Thanks Halil.

Can you provide any link? I could not find any. My maps are not detailed enough.

I found the name from the book called ''Names of the locations of Cyprus lost in the depths of 2500 years of history ''

Merash names goes back to assyrians . pers times also there is a place in Iran called Merash too .

I have that book. Silly me. I should have looked there first.

[The Cypriot]

I wanted to safe your time Deniz !

Varosha : Greek Name

MERASH : Antique name

finally it is called Maraş by Turkish Cypriots .

That's very interesting. Thanks. And I've no objections to the TC name, especially if it's based on an ancient Assyrian name of the town rather than a recently imported, imposed replacement from Anatolia; as is the case, apparently, for so many place names in the north – where the island's heritage is being obliterated by mindless cultural imperialists, like the conquerors of antiquity.

Also, please do note, the English name for a historic town north of London, is St Albans. The ancient Roman conquerors called it Verulamium but, if you want people to know where you're referring to, especially English people, you use the name the present day English people have adopted and have used for centuries. St Albans.

I object to you saying Varosha is the Greek name. Greeks (who cannot pronounce the 'sh' sound) would not call it 'Varosha'... but Varosi or Varosia perhaps.

Varosha is the name Cypriots have called Varosha for decades, if not centuries.

[kurupetos]

I wanted to safe your time Deniz !

Varosha : Greek Name

MERASH : Antique name

finally it is called Maraş by Turkish Cypriots .

That's very interesting. Thanks. And I've no objections to the TC name, especially if it's based on an ancient Assyrian name of the town rather than a recently imported, imposed replacement from Anatolia; as is the case, apparently, for so many place names in the north – where the island's heritage is being obliterated by mindless cultural imperialists, like the conquerors of antiquity.

Also, please do note, the English name for a historic town north of London, is St Albans. The ancient Roman conquerors called it Verulamium but, if you want people to know where you're referring to, especially English people, you use the name the present day English people have adopted and have used for centuries. St Albans.

I object to you saying Varosha is the Greek name. Greeks (who cannot pronounce the 'sh' sound) would not call it 'Varosha'... but Varosi or Varosia perhaps.

Varosha is the name Cypriots have called Varosha for decades, if not centuries.

According to this link, it's a turkish word, varos, meaning suburb!
http://el.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%92%CE ... F%83%CE%B9


It makes sense, it's a suburb, or neighbourhood, of Ammochostos (Famagusta)!

It's amazing the Turks/TCs have abandoned a turkish word and replaced it with an assyrian one!

I hope this will stop the silly discussion.

[The Cypriot]

Mashalla kurupetos! How ironic...! But then the silly northern Cypriots/occupiers are good at cutting off their nose to spite their face!

So I was right. Varosha isn't - nor ever has been - a Greek name. It's simply the name the locals call it.

[Oracle]