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[denizaksulu]

The vengeance seeking G/Cs are resting in peace . Someone mentioned that only the older generation would somehow feel that vengeance is appropriate , on the contrary the older generation who lived through both the peaceful era and the conflict era would want nothing more than to bury the hatchet and live peacefuly on the island of Cyprus. No older generation Cypriot would want to put his children and grandchildren through the horrible conflict days that they went through. It is the young indoctrinated hot heads that are the problem on both sides of the divide , the young who deny Cyprus as their true homeland and look elsewhere.
Turkey along with Greece are the cause of our troubles . Greece , albeit under the Junta , orchestrated the military coup against Makarios , Turkey saw that as her opportunity to achieve what had been planned , the partition of the island. Turkey continues to this day , in total self denial , to occupy a part of Cyprus while audaciously promotes the ludicrous assumption that there exists a separate state , one that the entire world refuses to recognise as such , while in the meantime contrary to all international conventions continues her policy of Turkifying a part of Cyprus , eliminating the natives and installing her own citizens to occupy lands that for generations were lived on by the indigenous Cypriots both G/Cs and T/Cs.

Turkey's insistence in retaining guarantor status will never be accepted by the RoC. Moderates such as my self oppose such action along with most if not not all of the Cypriot people. Turkey must see that and act accordingly if she genuinely aspires for peace and stability in Cyprus.

The future of Cyprus is bright , united or not the democratic and free part of the island will prosper and progress in every field , the European membership has put the seal of approval on the legitimate government of Cyprus , regardless of the pathetic sounding noises by Turkey.
As a united island the sky is the limit , peace , stability financial benefits and above all the opportunity for all Cypriots to thrive and better them selves and improve the prospects of the new generation.
I make no distinction whatsoever between the G/Cs and the T/Cs , both are my compatriots and both should equally benefit in a united Cyprus , where I make a clear distinction is when it comes to Cypriots denying their true homeland and aligning themselves to the same foreign countries that were in the first place responsible for dividing our people and causing the seeds of hatred to expand and grow uncontrollably.

Great speach but is wanting to know the exact details of how a united Cyprus will work and how it will effect our daily lives or wanting to feel the security of the last 35 years wrong?

All we want is to live in peace and not be exposed to discrimination or domination which we know GCs are experts at, all they put forward reconfirms their real intention of taking control of the whole island and running it for themselves.

We need definate guidelines to which everyone will adhere otherwise the dangers are to great to dissolve the TRNC recognized or not and take a big leap of faith into the arms of a mistrusted "compatriot", this is to much to ask of anyone. Even the structure of today with all its shortfalls is far prefered to the unknown and constant chants of GCs "you are just another minority you will be treated as like bu us the GC majority.

We will get nowhere unless the GCs realize we are equal partners and that past experiences have shown we need to take further measures to obtain safeguards and guarantees which cannot be broken or disregarded unless very heavy penalties are paid by the offending side...eg if anything like the Akritas is resurected we are thrown out of the EU.

Yes you are equal partners with equal rights but in a minority status that is democracy. There is no other solution to resolving the Cyprus problem other than partition which is of no benefit to both communities .

I dont care much about politics (perhaps I should) but should there be such a thing as 'minority rights' in a true democracy? Its either 'democratic' or not.

What a mess!!!

[Viewpoint]

Byron dont forget we were not asked if we wanted to join the Eu we were forced in...which is another indication of how the GCs always try to steam roll over us to obtain only what they want, another indication of how a united Cyprus will be if GCs are given the free hand they desire to do as they wish.

Then why do you not all an easing of the isolation? if it is not your ace card as it is interfering with our democratic rights.

I agree that both sides must make concessions but just saying the troops should go is not enough especially when it concerns our security which mean lives, could you therefore allow direct flights as good faith next week? It wont work that way everything should be done in steps, if part of the troops go then so does yours, if Maraş is returned direct trade starts and so on, this give and take cannot be one sided.

OK let's start by you sending 50% of your troops back next week 17500 and 50% of our GREEK troops 2500 back at the same time. Fair ?

Byron personally I would agree but I feel that Maraş should be returned to the GCs for direct flights and trade.

[denizaksulu]

Byron dont forget we were not asked if we wanted to join the Eu we were forced in...which is another indication of how the GCs always try to steam roll over us to obtain only what they want, another indication of how a united Cyprus will be if GCs are given the free hand they desire to do as they wish.

Then why do you not all an easing of the isolation? if it is not your ace card as it is interfering with our democratic rights.

I agree that both sides must make concessions but just saying the troops should go is not enough especially when it concerns our security which mean lives, could you therefore allow direct flights as good faith next week? It wont work that way everything should be done in steps, if part of the troops go then so does yours, if Maraş is returned direct trade starts and so on, this give and take cannot be one sided.

OK let's start by you sending 50% of your troops back next week 17500 and 50% of our GREEK troops 2500 back at the same time. Fair ?

Byron personally I would agree but I feel that Maraş should be returned to the GCs for direct flights and trade.

Now we are talking business. Come on guys.

[Dr J]

Make Cyprus Airways your main airline and products described as coming from 'Republic of Cyprus' or 'Cyprus' and you have a deal...for now

[paliometoxo]

why would u need direct flight and tradew if ur in talks with gc side for re unification and NOT partition?

its like yesss lets sit at the table and talk legalize the trnc and tell u people to f off...

never direct trade or flights NEVER

[Byron]

The vengeance seeking G/Cs are resting in peace . Someone mentioned that only the older generation would somehow feel that vengeance is appropriate , on the contrary the older generation who lived through both the peaceful era and the conflict era would want nothing more than to bury the hatchet and live peacefuly on the island of Cyprus. No older generation Cypriot would want to put his children and grandchildren through the horrible conflict days that they went through. It is the young indoctrinated hot heads that are the problem on both sides of the divide , the young who deny Cyprus as their true homeland and look elsewhere.
Turkey along with Greece are the cause of our troubles . Greece , albeit under the Junta , orchestrated the military coup against Makarios , Turkey saw that as her opportunity to achieve what had been planned , the partition of the island. Turkey continues to this day , in total self denial , to occupy a part of Cyprus while audaciously promotes the ludicrous assumption that there exists a separate state , one that the entire world refuses to recognise as such , while in the meantime contrary to all international conventions continues her policy of Turkifying a part of Cyprus , eliminating the natives and installing her own citizens to occupy lands that for generations were lived on by the indigenous Cypriots both G/Cs and T/Cs.

Turkey's insistence in retaining guarantor status will never be accepted by the RoC. Moderates such as my self oppose such action along with most if not not all of the Cypriot people. Turkey must see that and act accordingly if she genuinely aspires for peace and stability in Cyprus.

The future of Cyprus is bright , united or not the democratic and free part of the island will prosper and progress in every field , the European membership has put the seal of approval on the legitimate government of Cyprus , regardless of the pathetic sounding noises by Turkey.
As a united island the sky is the limit , peace , stability financial benefits and above all the opportunity for all Cypriots to thrive and better them selves and improve the prospects of the new generation.
I make no distinction whatsoever between the G/Cs and the T/Cs , both are my compatriots and both should equally benefit in a united Cyprus , where I make a clear distinction is when it comes to Cypriots denying their true homeland and aligning themselves to the same foreign countries that were in the first place responsible for dividing our people and causing the seeds of hatred to expand and grow uncontrollably.

Great speach but is wanting to know the exact details of how a united Cyprus will work and how it will effect our daily lives or wanting to feel the security of the last 35 years wrong?

All we want is to live in peace and not be exposed to discrimination or domination which we know GCs are experts at, all they put forward reconfirms their real intention of taking control of the whole island and running it for themselves.

We need definate guidelines to which everyone will adhere otherwise the dangers are to great to dissolve the TRNC recognized or not and take a big leap of faith into the arms of a mistrusted "compatriot", this is to much to ask of anyone. Even the structure of today with all its shortfalls is far prefered to the unknown and constant chants of GCs "you are just another minority you will be treated as like bu us the GC majority.

We will get nowhere unless the GCs realize we are equal partners and that past experiences have shown we need to take further measures to obtain safeguards and guarantees which cannot be broken or disregarded unless very heavy penalties are paid by the offending side...eg if anything like the Akritas is resurected we are thrown out of the EU.

Yes you are equal partners with equal rights but in a minority status that is democracy. There is no other solution to resolving the Cyprus problem other than partition which is of no benefit to both communities .

I dont care much about politics (perhaps I should) but should there be such a thing as 'minority rights' in a true democracy? Its either 'democratic' or not.

What a mess!!!

Of course minorities are protected in a democratic state, what are you talking about ?

[Byron]

Byron dont forget we were not asked if we wanted to join the Eu we were forced in...which is another indication of how the GCs always try to steam roll over us to obtain only what they want, another indication of how a united Cyprus will be if GCs are given the free hand they desire to do as they wish.

Then why do you not all an easing of the isolation? if it is not your ace card as it is interfering with our democratic rights.

I agree that both sides must make concessions but just saying the troops should go is not enough especially when it concerns our security which mean lives, could you therefore allow direct flights as good faith next week? It wont work that way everything should be done in steps, if part of the troops go then so does yours, if Maraş is returned direct trade starts and so on, this give and take cannot be one sided.

OK let's start by you sending 50% of your troops back next week 17500 and 50% of our GREEK troops 2500 back at the same time. Fair ?

Byron personally I would agree but I feel that Maraş should be returned to the GCs for direct flights and trade.

OK but that is concession 2 , let's deal with concession 1 then next month concession 2 , easy maybe we can solve the problem directly without politicians but over a cup of coffee.

[Dr J]

Of course minorities are protected in a democratic state, what are you talking about ?

He said minority should not have extra RIGHTS, he did not say they should not be protected.

[Byron]

why would u need direct flight and tradew if ur in talks with gc side for re unification and NOT partition?

its like yesss lets sit at the table and talk legalize the trnc and tell u people to f off...

never direct trade or flights NEVER

My friend unification and partition for them is one and the same. If they unite they still want to be autonomous.

[Byron]

Of course minorities are protected in a democratic state, what are you talking about ?

He said minority should not have extra RIGHTS, he did not say they should not be protected.

ORIGINAL QUOTE
dont care much about politics (perhaps I should) but should there be such a thing as 'minority rights' in a true democracy? Its either 'democratic' or not.

What a mess!!!

Brush up your English !