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[Oracle]

I am pleased you delight in your fotisma regarding our ancient 'star and crescent' symbol, and in order to avoid hypocrisy, on your part, may I now see you show the same courtesy to our other (less) ancient symbols ....

Perhaps the Orthodox Church is ahead of you .....

The Church should defiantly fly this star and crescent - and then, perhaps, my fotisman will be complete.

Your logic and reason are now invisible and as such have transcended into the realms of "Faith".

Although at least Byzantine in age, the 'star and crescent' has never really featured as a symbol for the Greek Orthodox Church and I am sure it's not likely to now become "defiant", just to aggravate politics for your sake .... and perhaps it may not wish to send the wrong "meaning" to some pious GC woman, who suffered personal atrocities at the hands of those who attach a different meaning to our 'star and crescent'.

Deliberately dense and defiant of traditions doesn't save the day ....

[paliometoxo]

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mine





as you see mine has no expiery date which is good it means a permenant passport to anywhere in the eu without having to keep going and re newing it

also mine does not have expire date on it Palio .... u are the true cypriot number 2 i know now lets and see others .who has not got expire date on it.

here is the my first id card .later on i scan it as well .

yes but notice urs says TURK under nationatily not cypriot it doesent even say turkish cypriot just turk

[denizaksulu]

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mine





as you see mine has no expiery date which is good it means a permenant passport to anywhere in the eu without having to keep going and re newing it

also mine does not have expire date on it Palio .... u are the true cypriot number 2 i know now lets and see others .who has not got expire date on it.

here is the my first id card .later on i scan it as well .

yes but notice urs says TURK under nationatily not cypriot it doesent even say turkish cypriot just turk

Its only a word.

In Cyprus, normally (a few years back) you ask for coffee, and the maestro asks you sweet, medium or sketo. The description is enough to receive your kahve.

Nowadays is a different kettle of fish. It is essential to be more specific.

[The Cypriot]

Your logic and reason are now invisible and as such have transcended into the realms of "Faith".

I'm just experimenting, exploring, playing with ideas; as an ancient philosopher or theoretical scientist might. Surely you don't object.

Although at least Byzantine in age, the 'star and crescent' has never really featured as a symbol for the Greek Orthodox Church..

Symbols can be reclaimed. The Church could take a lead... as a shepherd might lead his sheep.

Early Christians, those who might have known the real Jesus, used a fish:



far more appropriate, in my view, than a symbol of barbaric torture, meted out by an Imperial Power, which is, after all, what the cross is.

Do you think, if Jesus ever returns, he wants to be reminded of how he suffered for our sins - apparently, to no avail?

Do you think also he'd like to see a symbol connected to the Imperial Power that crucified him, flying from his Father's House?

and I am sure it's not likely to now become "defiant", just to aggravate politics for your sake .... and perhaps it may not wish to send the wrong "meaning" to some pious GC woman, who suffered personal atrocities at the hands of those who attach a different meaning to our 'star and crescent'.

Am I not allowed to explore ideas, without you laying a ridiculous guilt trip on me? Is this your clumsy way of telling me to be quiet? Next you'll condemn me to eternal damnation for daring to question established dogma. What are you, the Archbishop?

Deliberately dense and defiant of traditions doesn't save the day ....

Please save us then, o wise Beatitude. Show us the way. For your reverence of archane traditions is an example to all of how the world can be changed for the better.

[RichardB]

BTW The Cypriot is a CYPRIOT

[Tim Drayton]

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mine





as you see mine has no expiery date which is good it means a permenant passport to anywhere in the eu without having to keep going and re newing it

also mine does not have expire date on it Palio .... u are the true cypriot number 2 i know now lets and see others .who has not got expire date on it.

here is the my first id card .later on i scan it as well .

yes but notice urs says TURK under nationatily not cypriot it doesent even say turkish cypriot just turk

It says "Citizen of the Republic" under nationality.

[The Cypriot]

If Halil was Cypriot, under 'race' it would have said 'three-legged'.

[paliometoxo]

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mine





as you see mine has no expiery date which is good it means a permenant passport to anywhere in the eu without having to keep going and re newing it

also mine does not have expire date on it Palio .... u are the true cypriot number 2 i know now lets and see others .who has not got expire date on it.

here is the my first id card .later on i scan it as well .

yes but notice urs says TURK under nationatily not cypriot it doesent even say turkish cypriot just turk

It says "Citizen of the Republic" under nationality.

e ok under race it says turk..

but are those id cards accepted as a passport into any eu country?

[Oracle]

Your logic and reason are now invisible and as such have transcended into the realms of "Faith".

I'm just experimenting, exploring, playing with ideas; as an ancient philosopher or theoretical scientist might. Surely you don't object.

No, I love it! I was just pointing out you ran out of logic and reason. We can carry on in a different vein if you wish ...

Although at least Byzantine in age, the 'star and crescent' has never really featured as a symbol for the Greek Orthodox Church..

Symbols can be reclaimed. The Church could take a lead... as a shepherd might lead his sheep.

To what purpose? It represented paganism and then was used on coins ... not used by the Greek Orthodox Church, so there is nothing for them to "reclaim". Anyway, it's not the "symbol" which keeps our people away from their homes but the mentality of the thieves.

Let the blood covered 'star and crescent' be a portent of evil!

Early Christians, those who might have known the real Jesus, used a fish:



far more appropriate, in my view, than a symbol of barbaric torture, meted out by an Imperial Power, which is, after all, what the cross is.

Do not underestimate the power of the fish as a weapon of torture ....

Do you think, if Jesus ever returns, he wants to be reminded of how he suffered for our sins - apparently, to no avail?

Do you think also he'd like to see a symbol connected to the Imperial Power that crucified him, flying from his Father's House?

He would be the first to forgive.

and I am sure it's not likely to now become "defiant", just to aggravate politics for your sake .... and perhaps it may not wish to send the wrong "meaning" to some pious GC woman, who suffered personal atrocities at the hands of those who attach a different meaning to our 'star and crescent'.

Am I not allowed to explore ideas, without you laying a ridiculous guilt trip on me? Is this your clumsy way of telling me to be quiet? Next you'll condemn me to eternal damnation for daring to question established dogma. What are you, the Archbishop?

Just testing to see if you are sensitive to the effects of symbols.

You are!

Deliberately dense and defiant of traditions doesn't save the day ....

Please save us then, o wise Beatitude. Show us the way. For your reverence of archane traditions is an example to all of how the world can be changed for the better.

I don't revere traditions, but I am sensitive to those who do .....

[The Cypriot]

Symbols can be reclaimed. The Church could take a lead... as a shepherd might lead his sheep.

To what purpose?

It would be 'symbolic'... disarming, perhaps... like placing a rose inside a gun barrel.

It represented paganism and then was used on coins ... not used by the Greek Orthodox Church, so there is nothing for them to "reclaim". Anyway, it's not the "symbol" which keeps our people away from their homes but the mentality of the thieves.


Let the blood covered 'star and crescent' be a portent of evil!

You're not going all soft on me are you, O? You'd let Turks commandeer and keep our symbols, as well as our lands? When we could easily reclaim our symbols.

Do you think, if Jesus ever returns, he wants to be reminded of how he suffered for our sins - apparently, to no avail?

Do you think also he'd like to see a symbol connected to the Imperial Power that crucified him, flying from his Father's House?

He would be the first to forgive.

Ironic that Jesus would need to forgive the sins of his self-appointed agents on earth.

Am I not allowed to explore ideas, without you laying a ridiculous guilt trip on me? Is this your clumsy way of telling me to be quiet? Next you'll condemn me to eternal damnation for daring to question established dogma. What are you, the Archbishop?

Just testing to see if you are sensitive to the effects of symbols.

You are!

Acutely. Like to those awful symbols the Church uses. And what poor Jesus might think if he saw them.

I don't revere traditions, but I am sensitive to those who do .....

I don't revere traditions either. And I tend not to be particularly sensitive to those who do. They tend to annoy me, esp. if their traditions impact on my life.