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[wyoming cowboy]

The Turkish mentality is of barbarism, it needs to be. They are invaders on everyinch of land they stand on. from Smyrny, Constantinople to the island of Cyprus, and towards the depths of Anatolia. They get nervous real quick and stop thinking, as does every scumbag who knows they are guilty. The rule of law doesnt pertain to them, for if it was up to the rule of law then they would be extinguished they are not europeans in any sense of the word, but rather follow a nomadic culture, they may pretend to act european but their mindset is noneuropean...What western nation would embarass themselves while knowing that the whole world is watching by shooting an unarmed man climbing a flag pole...Only the
Turks would, the Turkish mind frooze and was confused therefore it acted aggressively...This is it

First of all save the repetitious and clique GC propaganda junk, no one is after to kill you anymore nor to take anything from you, if anything we want to give some back as we accepted to do so during the Annan fiasco. You are just as guilty in this ordeal and you are preventing indigenous people from their right to their country as well.

I live in Australia, and I can assure you that what I express is not propaganda. They are facts, according to numerous UN resolutions, and as far as the neutral Australian public are concerned. Our problem is one of invasion and occupation and I'm sorry you think this is clique GC propaganda, because the rest of the world does not agree with you.

Furthermore, we have compromised greatly by agreeing in principle to a BBF solution, and have received nothing in return. As a matter of fact, the Annan plan was even going to deny us our rights to an EEZ, and was a Confederacy and not a Federation.

We do not trust Turkey and will never allow Turkey any intervention rights. We are a member state of the EU and don't need Turkey. The indigenous Cypriots will never accept it, regardless of the fact that they can't, for the time being, return to their homes.

But I have to say, it is no secret that we don't trust you. I definitely do not trust you personally, and I would HATE to be left in a situation where I have to trust you. There is no way I would agree to a solution that would give you the military upper hand, NO WAY!

Well you let the cat out of the bag here Shah. You talk about never allowing us to have the "military advantage". This is indicative of your mentality. You wish to retain a "military advantage" and use it to shit on everyone else by denying the 82% their Human Rights as defined by the EU Charter.

We however, don't want any Military Advantage over Cyprus, but want our island and people united as EQUAL citizens. BIG DIFFERENCE!

So perhaps you are right. Our principles are incompatible with yours, and as long as this remains the case, we can never live together in a united Cyprus.

So I can turn the same idea around to you and say that Turkey is not the old Turkey and neither are we. They are here for our protection and our protection alone so its no threat to you if you are not planning anything stupid. Right? Turkey has said over and over again that the army will retreat once a proper solution is found. This means FIRST we find a solution and then they go. Not the other way around, that would be pretty stupid of us don't you think, I mean what do you take us for? As I have said you being an EU member means nothing, as the EU poses no sense of security for us nor should they.

We are an independent country and member of the EU. We can NEVER accept a guarantee from a country that invaded us, ethnically cleansed 200,000 and killed 10,000 indigenous Cypriots. I can never accept a guarantee from an Army that beat the crap out of my father in law in Adana.

As a member of the EU we have this, and you have NOTHING:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=24795

And yes I am talking about Solomos (the guy on the flag post yeah?), very sad incident and I definitely DO NOT agree with what happened, not the slightest, but nor can you claim that there was no provocation. It is so easy for governments to create more propaganda material for themselves by provoking and exploiting extremist people into doing crazy shit. It is very typical and has been used all over the world.

In most other western countries, people are not even arrested for burning the nation's flag. The mere fact that you consider this act by an unarmed demonstrator as "provocative", is very indicative of your mentality.

I am certain that an unarmed Solomos was not going to take away your "military advantage".....How on earth are we going to accept a guarantee from such murderers?......STUPID HYPOCRITE!

I am sorry but I just find your government to be very insidious and there is no way I can live under them with no security.

No one is more insidious than an Army that kills unarmed demonstrators!

The invasion was defensive Paphitis. The "neutral" Australian public was not going to save the TC's from the enclaves and neither was the "indigenous" people of Cyprus. BTW there is no indigenous people in Cyprus. This is the kind of propaganda junk I am talking about.

The army beat the crap out of your father? Well our family friends are still missing, you see why you don't make sense? International law is not worth the paper it is written on. Any views on this matter which is mostly reflecting GC innocence is noting but trash. I know GC's worked very hard to get such false international recognition. Doesn't mean you can fool your dear neighbours

You were on the offensive not us, and there is no way you can deny that, not politically not militarily. So again, there is no way I could ever accept crooked mentality such as yours to have the military upper hand as this would literally mean suicide. I am up for a solution but I cannot accept that you getting an INCH more than what you have would be "sacrifice", I think you already have a lot more than you deserve considering the unfairness this case has been treated with internationally, mostly due to such propaganda merchants as yourself. So please dont tell me about the "neutral" Australian people, they have enough "indigenous" blood on their hands themselves.

The guy on the pole trespassed a military zone forcefully. I think anyone can get shot for that anywhere around the world. Any idiot would know that yet still forcing your way through there is, I am sorry to say but, plain stupid and is indicative of provocation.

You call us murderers? I presume Atlılar and Sandallar murders were the way of the civilised and indigenous people too yeah? Never new mass executions of women and children were considered to be self defence. You should read your paper about human dignity while looking at the pictured of our mass graves, makes you feel ever so righteous.

Your views are extremely bigoted and I never knew you were "one of those". Disappointing really...

Shah, the murder of Solomou was an unnecessary act. He could have been arrested. Killing of an unarmed man is a callous act and should be condemned and no excuses are acceptable. A most cowardly act too. No wonder they brand 'Turks' as being barbaric savages.

[Viewpoint]

It's not this side that is strangling you, but the presence of your own Big Brother !!!

So what do you suggest?

100E on the nose, no.7, "End The Occupation", this Saturday, in the 3 o'clock.

Which will leave the TCs where? up the river without a paddle me thinks and in stormy weather..no thanks that life jacket will stay firmly on until we hit land.

[Paphitis]

The invasion was defensive Paphitis. The "neutral" Australian public was not going to save the TC's from the enclaves and neither was the "indigenous" people of Cyprus. BTW there is no indigenous people in Cyprus. This is the kind of propaganda junk I am talking about.

The invasion was defensive was it?

Turkey invades Cyprus and displaces 200,000 GCs, kills 10000, and systematically changes the demographics of the island and you call that defensive.

And what exactly were you defending yourself from? Were you defending against the illegal coup which did not even hurt 1 TC? Why not just help the GCs resist the coup, instead of taking the opportunity to destroy a nation and people whilst it was at its most vulnerable?

Clearly, it is you that has been brainwashed, beyond repair, with propaganda.

The army beat the crap out of your father? Well our family friends are still missing, you see why you don't make sense? International law is not worth the paper it is written on. Any views on this matter which is mostly reflecting GC innocence is noting but trash. I know GC's worked very hard to get such false international recognition. Doesn't mean you can fool your dear neighbours

Yes, my father in law spent 3 months as a POW within Adana before being released. He was captured at Palaikythro/Kythrea. The whole family is from Kythrea, and for your information, they have actual family members that are missing. One cousin is actually depicted kneeling before the Turkish Army, with his hands on his head, along with 4 other GCs.

You have my sympathy for your missing friends. I hope they find their remains and are given a proper burial.

In a war there is no such thing as total innocence from either side. That is the nature of war. One community was fighting desperately for self determination and against an unjust and undemocratic constitution, whilst the other community was always undermining the will of the majority, resulting in the GCs needing to defend themselves against both the British and the TCs in the 50s and again in the 60s. So obviously you had casualties, but nothing compared to the 10000 casualties and the 200,000 who were ethnically cleansed by the "defensive" Attila 74.

You were on the offensive not us, and there is no way you can deny that, not politically not militarily. So again, there is no way I could ever accept crooked mentality such as yours to have the military upper hand as this would literally mean suicide. I am up for a solution but I cannot accept that you getting an INCH more than what you have would be "sacrifice", I think you already have a lot more than you deserve considering the unfairness this case has been treated with internationally, mostly due to such propaganda merchants as yourself. So please dont tell me about the "neutral" Australian people, they have enough "indigenous" blood on their hands themselves.

When were we on the offensive?

Please enlighten us as to the offensive we initiated against the TCs in 74, before the Attila 74 onslaught.

You want to keep your military advantage against the GCs, without compromising 1 inch, whilst we just want to liberate our island and live peacefully amongst other Cypriot citizens within a multicultural Cyprus. Why would we want to Militarily dominate other Cypriot citizens for heavens sake? This mentality is reserved for brainwashed TCs who are mentally still in the 60s and 70s, such as YOU!

The guy on the pole trespassed a military zone forcefully. I think anyone can get shot for that anywhere around the world. Any idiot would know that yet still forcing your way through there is, I am sorry to say but, plain stupid and is indicative of provocation.

Absolutely not Shah!

If the same incident occurred in Australia, he would not be shot. If the same incident happened in America, he would not be shot. If the same incident happened within Britain or the British SBAs, he would not be shot.

In Australia, whenever a US warship comes into harbour, we have Greenpeace all over it like a rash. The activists even try to climb aboard and even risk their lives by trying to impede the vessel. The activists are never shot. The authorities try to move them out of the way so they don't get hurt.

In democratic nations such as those mentioned above, the people have the freedom to demonstrate. Our flags are sometimes burned on the streets, and activists have even tried to climb aboard US naval vessels. No one ever gets shot.

You call us murderers? I presume Atlılar and Sandallar murders were the way of the civilised and indigenous people too yeah? Never new mass executions of women and children were considered to be self defence. You should read your paper about human dignity while looking at the pictured of our mass graves, makes you feel ever so righteous.

Did Antilar and Sandallar happen before or after the Turkish Invasion?

Were they victims of war, like the 10,000GCs killed by Attila 74 or did the GCs just decide to kill them for the hell of it?

Your views are extremely bigoted and I never knew you were "one of those". Disappointing really...

I'm afraid it is your views that are bigoted. You are the one that wants to maintain a "military advantage". All I want is for Cyprus to enjoy the democratic freedoms I enjoy in Australia and be united and free from occupation and external influence....

[shahmaran]

The invasion was defensive Paphitis. The "neutral" Australian public was not going to save the TC's from the enclaves and neither was the "indigenous" people of Cyprus. BTW there is no indigenous people in Cyprus. This is the kind of propaganda junk I am talking about.

The invasion was defensive was it?

Turkey invades Cyprus and displaces 200,000 GCs, kills 10000, and systematically changes the demographics of the island and you call that defensive.

And what exactly were you defending yourself from? Were you defending against the illegal coup which did not even hurt 1 TC? Why not just help the GCs resist the coup, instead of taking the opportunity to destroy a nation and people whilst it was at its most vulnerable?

Clearly, it is you that has been brainwashed, beyond repair, with propaganda.

The army beat the crap out of your father? Well our family friends are still missing, you see why you don't make sense? International law is not worth the paper it is written on. Any views on this matter which is mostly reflecting GC innocence is noting but trash. I know GC's worked very hard to get such false international recognition. Doesn't mean you can fool your dear neighbours

Yes, my father in law spent 3 months as a POW within Adana before being released. He was captured at Palaikythro/Kythrea. The whole family is from Kythrea, and for your information, they have actual family members that are missing. One cousin is actually depicted kneeling before the Turkish Army, with his hands on his head, along with 4 other GCs.

You have my sympathy for your missing friends. I hope they find their remains and are given a proper burial.

In a war there is no such thing as total innocence from either side. That is the nature of war. One community was fighting desperately for self determination and against an unjust and undemocratic constitution, whilst the other community was always undermining the will of the majority, resulting in the GCs needing to defend themselves against both the British and the TCs in the 50s and again in the 60s. So obviously you had casualties, but nothing compared to the 10000 casualties and the 200,000 who were ethnically cleansed by the "defensive" Attila 74.

You were on the offensive not us, and there is no way you can deny that, not politically not militarily. So again, there is no way I could ever accept crooked mentality such as yours to have the military upper hand as this would literally mean suicide. I am up for a solution but I cannot accept that you getting an INCH more than what you have would be "sacrifice", I think you already have a lot more than you deserve considering the unfairness this case has been treated with internationally, mostly due to such propaganda merchants as yourself. So please dont tell me about the "neutral" Australian people, they have enough "indigenous" blood on their hands themselves.

When were we on the offensive?

Please enlighten us as to the offensive we initiated against the TCs in 74, before the Attila 74 onslaught.

You want to keep your military advantage against the GCs, without compromising 1 inch, whilst we just want to liberate our island and live peacefully amongst other Cypriot citizens within a multicultural Cyprus. Why would we want to Militarily dominate other Cypriot citizens for heavens sake? This mentality is reserved for brainwashed TCs who are mentally still in the 60s and 70s, such as YOU!

The guy on the pole trespassed a military zone forcefully. I think anyone can get shot for that anywhere around the world. Any idiot would know that yet still forcing your way through there is, I am sorry to say but, plain stupid and is indicative of provocation.

Absolutely not Shah!

If the same incident occurred in Australia, he would not be shot. If the same incident happened in America, he would not be shot. If the same incident happened within Britain or the British SBAs, he would not be shot.

In Australia, whenever a US warship comes into harbour, we have Greenpeace all over it like a rash. The activists even try to climb aboard and even risk their lives by trying to impede the vessel. The activists are never shot. The authorities try to move them out of the way so they don't get hurt.

In democratic nations such as those mentioned above, the people have the freedom to demonstrate. Our flags are sometimes burned on the streets, and activists have even tried to climb aboard US naval vessels. No one ever gets shot.

You call us murderers? I presume Atlılar and Sandallar murders were the way of the civilised and indigenous people too yeah? Never new mass executions of women and children were considered to be self defence. You should read your paper about human dignity while looking at the pictured of our mass graves, makes you feel ever so righteous.

Did Antilar and Sandallar happen before or after the Turkish Invasion?

Were they victims of war, like the 10,000GCs killed by Attila 74 or did the GCs just decide to kill them for the hell of it?

Your views are extremely bigoted and I never knew you were "one of those". Disappointing really...

I'm afraid it is your views that are bigoted. You are the one that wants to maintain a "military advantage". All I want is for Cyprus to enjoy the democratic freedoms I enjoy in Australia and be united and free from occupation and external influence....

So let me get this straight, you were happy to the watch the TC's starve to death in the enclaves after refusing them their right in the government, but you imagined that if Turkey did ever come to help them out, it would actually do what? Come talk to you? Maybe use some super special strategy to evacuate the TC's alone and hopefully not hurt a single GC? Maybe they can force themselves into the island against all the fierce resistance from the GC's which was backed by the Greek's and maybe bring us aid and protection and then start some talks regarding the future of the island? What was it that you expected to happen?! Do you actually know of a rescue operation where time was crucial as the enemy had started to execute the civilians en-mass, but the rescuers had to worry about the well being of the enemy rather than their own and of those to be rescued? How many Turkish soldiers died in order to actually get to us?

This is what Hitler did, if you remember.

There is NO EXCUSE to execute villages full of unarmed civilians and then bury them into mass graves, what is this defence? Attacks? A statement maybe? Or maybe one last blow before defeat? What was it? Can you even explain it?

About the guy on the flag pole, none of the country examples you provided are actually accurate since none of them had to make a choice in a situation which was the same as Cyprus at that time and place (borders, military zone, war zone, riots and provocation).

But leave that to a side, if you really want to compare their "humanity" you can simply look at the state of the countries where the military of the above examples has reached and how the civilians are treated.

So excuse my language but what the fuck are you talking about?

Have you not heard of Iraq, Afghanistan, the British Empire, Vietnam, the Aborigines and many many more nations who have suffered in the hands of the so called "civilised west" and here you are using them as a good example to how a civilian should be treated? Maybe we should talk about how the riots against the Imperialists were encountered in Africa?

Excuse me but I live in Cyprus and I would NEVER EVER dare to pull a stunt as that guy on the pole did because I am absolutely certain about what the outcome would be. He made his choice and he knew very well what he was up against and it was no surprise.

As much as I do accept that it was wrong and sick and inhumane, I can also see that the guy was an absolute idiot for doing something like that. What is he a hero now? Has his death helped his cause in any way? No, all he did was make his loved ones suffer and become another propaganda tool for his fascist state. Good work Solomon.

I'm sick and tired of these bias views to be honest, I am happy to accept the wrong doings of all sides but this shit about the GC's being ever so innocent and always the victim and the crocodile tears, sometimes I am so glad the TRNC exists.

[Dr J]

sometimes I am so glad the TRNC exists.

More people believe in Father Christmas.

[Viewpoint]

The invasion was defensive Paphitis. The "neutral" Australian public was not going to save the TC's from the enclaves and neither was the "indigenous" people of Cyprus. BTW there is no indigenous people in Cyprus. This is the kind of propaganda junk I am talking about.

The invasion was defensive was it?

Turkey invades Cyprus and displaces 200,000 GCs, kills 10000, and systematically changes the demographics of the island and you call that defensive.

And what exactly were you defending yourself from? Were you defending against the illegal coup which did not even hurt 1 TC? Why not just help the GCs resist the coup, instead of taking the opportunity to destroy a nation and people whilst it was at its most vulnerable?

Clearly, it is you that has been brainwashed, beyond repair, with propaganda.

The army beat the crap out of your father? Well our family friends are still missing, you see why you don't make sense? International law is not worth the paper it is written on. Any views on this matter which is mostly reflecting GC innocence is noting but trash. I know GC's worked very hard to get such false international recognition. Doesn't mean you can fool your dear neighbours

Yes, my father in law spent 3 months as a POW within Adana before being released. He was captured at Palaikythro/Kythrea. The whole family is from Kythrea, and for your information, they have actual family members that are missing. One cousin is actually depicted kneeling before the Turkish Army, with his hands on his head, along with 4 other GCs.

You have my sympathy for your missing friends. I hope they find their remains and are given a proper burial.

In a war there is no such thing as total innocence from either side. That is the nature of war. One community was fighting desperately for self determination and against an unjust and undemocratic constitution, whilst the other community was always undermining the will of the majority, resulting in the GCs needing to defend themselves against both the British and the TCs in the 50s and again in the 60s. So obviously you had casualties, but nothing compared to the 10000 casualties and the 200,000 who were ethnically cleansed by the "defensive" Attila 74.

You were on the offensive not us, and there is no way you can deny that, not politically not militarily. So again, there is no way I could ever accept crooked mentality such as yours to have the military upper hand as this would literally mean suicide. I am up for a solution but I cannot accept that you getting an INCH more than what you have would be "sacrifice", I think you already have a lot more than you deserve considering the unfairness this case has been treated with internationally, mostly due to such propaganda merchants as yourself. So please dont tell me about the "neutral" Australian people, they have enough "indigenous" blood on their hands themselves.

When were we on the offensive?

Please enlighten us as to the offensive we initiated against the TCs in 74, before the Attila 74 onslaught.

You want to keep your military advantage against the GCs, without compromising 1 inch, whilst we just want to liberate our island and live peacefully amongst other Cypriot citizens within a multicultural Cyprus. Why would we want to Militarily dominate other Cypriot citizens for heavens sake? This mentality is reserved for brainwashed TCs who are mentally still in the 60s and 70s, such as YOU!

The guy on the pole trespassed a military zone forcefully. I think anyone can get shot for that anywhere around the world. Any idiot would know that yet still forcing your way through there is, I am sorry to say but, plain stupid and is indicative of provocation.

Absolutely not Shah!

If the same incident occurred in Australia, he would not be shot. If the same incident happened in America, he would not be shot. If the same incident happened within Britain or the British SBAs, he would not be shot.

In Australia, whenever a US warship comes into harbour, we have Greenpeace all over it like a rash. The activists even try to climb aboard and even risk their lives by trying to impede the vessel. The activists are never shot. The authorities try to move them out of the way so they don't get hurt.

In democratic nations such as those mentioned above, the people have the freedom to demonstrate. Our flags are sometimes burned on the streets, and activists have even tried to climb aboard US naval vessels. No one ever gets shot.

You call us murderers? I presume Atlılar and Sandallar murders were the way of the civilised and indigenous people too yeah? Never new mass executions of women and children were considered to be self defence. You should read your paper about human dignity while looking at the pictured of our mass graves, makes you feel ever so righteous.

Did Antilar and Sandallar happen before or after the Turkish Invasion?

Were they victims of war, like the 10,000GCs killed by Attila 74 or did the GCs just decide to kill them for the hell of it?

Your views are extremely bigoted and I never knew you were "one of those". Disappointing really...

I'm afraid it is your views that are bigoted. You are the one that wants to maintain a "military advantage". All I want is for Cyprus to enjoy the democratic freedoms I enjoy in Australia and be united and free from occupation and external influence....

So let me get this straight, you were happy to the watch the TC's starve to death in the enclaves after refusing them their right in the government, but you imagined that if Turkey did ever come to help them out, it would actually do what? Come talk to you? Maybe use some super special strategy to evacuate the TC's alone and hopefully not hurt a single GC? Maybe they can force themselves into the island against all the fierce resistance from the GC's which was backed by the Greek's and maybe bring us aid and protection and then start some talks regarding the future of the island? What was it that you expected to happen?! Do you actually know of a rescue operation where time was crucial as the enemy had started to execute the civilians en-mass, but the rescuers had to worry about the well being of the enemy rather than their own and of those to be rescued? How many Turkish soldiers died in order to actually get to us?

This is what Hitler did, if you remember.

There is NO EXCUSE to execute villages full of unarmed civilians and then bury them into mass graves, what is this defence? Attacks? A statement maybe? Or maybe one last blow before defeat? What was it? Can you even explain it?

About the guy on the flag pole, none of the country examples you provided are actually accurate since none of them had to make a choice in a situation which was the same as Cyprus at that time and place (borders, military zone, war zone, riots and provocation).

But leave that to a side, if you really want to compare their "humanity" you can simply look at the state of the countries where the military of the above examples has reached and how the civilians are treated.

So excuse my language but what the fuck are you talking about?

Have you not heard of Iraq, Afghanistan, the British Empire, Vietnam, the Aborigines and many many more nations who have suffered in the hands of the so called "civilised west" and here you are using them as a good example to how a civilian should be treated? Maybe we should talk about how the riots against the Imperialists were encountered in Africa?

Excuse me but I live in Cyprus and I would NEVER EVER dare to pull a stunt as that guy on the pole did because I am absolutely certain about what the outcome would be. He made his choice and he knew very well what he was up against and it was no surprise.

As much as I do accept that it was wrong and sick and inhumane, I can also see that the guy was an absolute idiot for doing something like that. What is he a hero now? Has his death helped his cause in any way? No, all he did was make his loved ones suffer and become another propaganda tool for his fascist state. Good work Solomon.

I'm sick and tired of these bias views to be honest, I am happy to accept the wrong doings of all sides but this shit about the GC's being ever so innocent and always the victim and the crocodile tears, sometimes I am so glad the TRNC exists.

Excellent post Shah, clear and concise well done.

[paliometoxo]

from a war the turks started in the first place

[Get Real!]

So let me get this straight, you were happy to the watch the TC's starve to death in the enclaves after refusing them their right in the government, but you imagined that if Turkey did ever come to help them out, it would actually do what?

That's a question you should ask Turkey (or the TMT)... "Why did you drive the TC community into ghettos like a herd of cattle, to starve them off?"

Or did they sell you a... "They made me do it!" again?

[Viewpoint]

So let me get this straight, you were happy to the watch the TC's starve to death in the enclaves after refusing them their right in the government, but you imagined that if Turkey did ever come to help them out, it would actually do what?

That's a question you should ask Turkey (or the TMT)... "Why did you drive the TC community into ghettos like a herd of cattle, to starve them off?"

Or did they sell you a... "They made me do it!" again?

Do you really believe the conditions were favourable for TCs and they abandoned the comfort of their homes to live in ghettos, please get some perspective and accept your own shit.

[humanist]

at the end of the day the TC's have been shafted by their highly revered so called motherland .......... am getting over it. The last 30 years have been your own doing and that of Turkey you have options to stop your so called isolation and low standards of living and that is to work closely with GC's for a truly unified nation. Leave your emotions behind and truly reflect as to whether you would achieve safety within the EU umbrella afforded to all EUU citizens..... If not then stay where you are .... always trailing behind GC's and always envious of what they have achieved.