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[Paphitis]

Talk is cheap whats does he mean by guarantees? does he have a task force ready to enter in times of crisis, what will he do when Tcs are discriminated against?

Get a backbone you poof!

Start fighting your own battles you sissies otherwise what do you want the “power sharing” for?

Yeah ill just get the garden spade to fight off GC extremists rioting through the north state or wear a bullet proof vest just in case your terrorists try to plant bombs in supermarkets, get real you bastard.

The first terrorist attacks in Cyprus were from TMT Turks on the Turkish Embassy.

On the 7th of June 1958 a bomb exploded at the entrance of the Turkish Embassy in Cyprus. Following the bombing Turkish Cypriots looted Greek Cypriot properties. On June 26 1984 the then Turkish Cypriot Leader, Rauf Denktaş, admitted on British channel ITV that the bomb was placed by the Turks themselves in order to create tension

Here are more confessions by Dentash regarding the TC massacre of 1,619 missing GCs:

[shahmaran]

Anyone who truly believes that the EU can promise any amount of security to anyone, should really talk to the Bosnians so they can tell you how the entire world just watched them get slaughtered in the heart of the EU.

Living with the murdering GC's and Greek's while hoping that the EU will guarantee any safety would be a real nightmare come true for us and a dream come true to the likes of Piratis, Oracle and co.

Remember the last time we needed help?

How long did that last and who actually turned up?

Greeks? UN? Europeans? Red Cross?

Some of these bastards need just a few days to wipe us out, just the amount of time the European pansies can organize a few meetings

[Paphitis]

Anyone who truly believes that the EU can promise any amount of security to anyone, should really talk to the Bosnians so they can tell you how the entire world just watched them get slaughtered in the heart of the EU.

Living with the murdering GC's and Greek's while hoping that the EU will guarantee any safety would be a real nightmare come true for us and a dream come true to the likes of Piratis, Oracle and co.

Remember the last time we needed help?

How long did that last and who actually turned up?

Greeks? UN? Europeans? Red Cross?

Some of these bastards need just a few days to wipe us out, just the amount of time the European pansies can organize a few meetings

And what did Bosnia have to do with the EU?

The EU does not have the mechanisms to be able to intervene anywhere militarily, but NATO certainly does.

What the EU does have is the EU Charter, which must be accepted and ratified as common law since we are EU members. This provides ALL citizens with the mechanisms to be able to fight the state against any alleged discrimination, abuse or violation of Human Rights. It also ensures that ALL citizens are EQUAL and that no one is discriminated against due to sexual orientation, race, religion, or sex. All citizens will have recourse within the ECHR and ECJ.

Also, we have made a massive concession in agreeing to a BBF where the TCs will have their own jurisdiction, and police. Federally, I would like to thing there will still be a CNG comprising of both GCs and TCs, as well as a Federal Police service.

As long as any new agreement is based on EU principles and the EU Charter, there will be no problems and both communities will prosper. The EU is the biggest guarantee of all, and it will not accept a solution with any derogations on the very EU Charter it was founded on.

BTW, welcome back Shah!

[shahmaran]

Hello Paphitis

NATO only managed to "pop in" for some action 3 years later and it was the end of the war anyways. Its just a good example of what happens when you have to trust others for your own security.

I would love to be able to believe that the essence of your view is widely mutual down on the South.

However, I think having equal amount of guns on both sides would be crucial to a peacefull "bonding" process. We have crazy bastards on both sides you know :p

First let us keep our guns then we can all be brothers and sister

[boomerang]

shamaran, how many or which countries faced each other in war since they joined the EU...

[shahmaran]

shaHmaran, how many or which countries faced each other in war since they joined the EU...

How many countries like Cyprus actually joined the EU? Ever?

[Paphitis]

Hello Paphitis

NATO only managed to "pop in" for some action 3 years later and it was the end of the war anyways. Its just a good example of what happens when you have to trust others for your own security.

I would love to be able to believe that the essence of your view is widely mutual down on the South.

However, I think having equal amount of guns on both sides would be crucial to a peacefull "bonding" process. We have crazy bastards on both sides you know :p

First let us keep our guns then we can all be brothers and sister

Cyprus is an independent country Shah, and that is the way it will remain. We don't want any interference from Turkey, Greece or Britain.

I would love to be able to believe that the essence of your view is widely mutual down on the South.

Cyprus has moved on into the 21st century. The problem is that the Turkish Army has managed to convince many TCs that their safety is solely dependent on them, so that it can maintain the occupation and insist on guarantees which it knows will never be accepted.

The Cypriots have moved on and are more interested in careers, prosperity and most of all living good honest lives.

However, I think having equal amount of guns on both sides would be crucial to a peacefull "bonding" process. We have crazy bastards on both sides you know :p

Every country has crazy people, but I believe they are in the minority.

If there is ever to be a solution, there will no doubt be a CNG which will have within its ranks both GCs and TCs. The weapons within this defense force will belong to all Cypriot citizens.

There is no need for individual communities having their own arsenal. What each community will have is their own police force within their own sector. But the BBF must be a real Federation as opposed to a Confederacy, and the Federation must be in full compliance with EU principles and the EU Charter.

[boomerang]

shaHmaran, how many or which countries faced each other in war since they joined the EU...

How many countries like Cyprus actually joined the EU? Ever?

well the former yugoslavia is just about to join, soon...is that enough?...

aren't you forgeting ww2?...what the germans did?...no eu then but still...a lot of blood spilled everywhere...a lot more than Cyprus...but they got on...time to get on shamaran...

the eec was created 12 years after ww2 finished and 45 years later we still fucking around...

it has been 45 years, bullshit has to stop at some point in time...

[paliometoxo]

Anyone who truly believes that the EU can promise any amount of security to anyone, should really talk to the Bosnians so they can tell you how the entire world just watched them get slaughtered in the heart of the EU.

Living with the murdering GC's and Greek's while hoping that the EU will guarantee any safety would be a real nightmare come true for us and a dream come true to the likes of Piratis, Oracle and co.

Remember the last time we needed help?

How long did that last and who actually turned up?

Greeks? UN? Europeans? Red Cross?

Some of these bastards need just a few days to wipe us out, just the amount of time the European pansies can organize a few meetings

i agree with u about the eu and what good they do.. i guess though they do help in the sense that turkey wants in and cyprus prob stops them mostly..

but security? thats just laughable... and then u go on to say some bull crap fairy tail story about murdering gcs.. i think you meant turks who put bombs for the tcs and are nto allowing anything turkish cypriot in the north. the very excuse the turks used to invade and they are commiting genocide on the tcs just a different way...

its turkey you need to look at not gcs

[umit07]

First let's reach an agreement first then talk about cementing it!
IMO Guarantorship should be the last topic to be discussed. It's like trying to reach a business deal but emphasizing on the future negative implications should one side not comply, showing signs of ill intent on both sides.