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[denizaksulu]

Major Macey comes to mind over and over..When the Brits were trainign and arming TMT, who were they going to use their training and weapons against?

Never heard of the Akritas plan then?

Philosophically, politically and selfishly it was the Tc who instigated and prodded a majority to react and they did, its as wrong to deny the majority its rights as much as the majority deny the civil rights of a minority

In the periods after the republic was formed, 1960,61,62,63, approximately 4 years of relative peace and intercommunal harmony..then the problems of 64...where did all of this suddenly come from? If you remember the early 60's was the height of the cold war between the worlds superpowers. usa vs ussr and their cohorts the warsaw pact and nato. 1960 saw the cyprus become a republic, and during the same year the cuban government was overthrown by a communist named castro. Makarios as the elected president and figurehead of cyprus choose to lead a nonaligned foreign policy for cyprus. He visited The ussr, India, China and Nasser of Egypt. All of which if existed today could be considered the axis of evil by the usa and the UK.. Its a well known corelation that the more Makarios leaned towards these countries including Tito's Yugoslavia, the more problems with interethnic violence on Cyprus..In 1963 in October there was the Cuban missile crisis in december of 63 violence erupts on cyprus..Can anyone imagine what the experts at the state dept were thinking when they see Makarios and Castro embracing in friendship, What it would mean if Cyprus became a missile base for the warsaw pact..therefore the more makarios clinged to the nonaligned the more violence erupts on cyprus. the usa and uk's proxy in instigating violence was of course the TMT. the turk cyp terrorist organization..

There was me thinking GC nepotism was the root of all evil on this island. Turns out that it was all our fault all along!

Has it ever occured to you that the TCs were arming themselves just in case they did not want EOKA to walk all over them?

[YFred]

Major Macey comes to mind over and over..When the Brits were trainign and arming TMT, who were they going to use their training and weapons against?

Never heard of the Akritas plan then?

Philosophically, politically and selfishly it was the Tc who instigated and prodded a majority to react and they did, its as wrong to deny the majority its rights as much as the majority deny the civil rights of a minority

In the periods after the republic was formed, 1960,61,62,63, approximately 4 years of relative peace and intercommunal harmony..then the problems of 64...where did all of this suddenly come from? If you remember the early 60's was the height of the cold war between the worlds superpowers. usa vs ussr and their cohorts the warsaw pact and nato. 1960 saw the cyprus become a republic, and during the same year the cuban government was overthrown by a communist named castro. Makarios as the elected president and figurehead of cyprus choose to lead a nonaligned foreign policy for cyprus. He visited The ussr, India, China and Nasser of Egypt. All of which if existed today could be considered the axis of evil by the usa and the UK.. Its a well known corelation that the more Makarios leaned towards these countries including Tito's Yugoslavia, the more problems with interethnic violence on Cyprus..In 1963 in October there was the Cuban missile crisis in december of 63 violence erupts on cyprus..Can anyone imagine what the experts at the state dept were thinking when they see Makarios and Castro embracing in friendship, What it would mean if Cyprus became a missile base for the warsaw pact..therefore the more makarios clinged to the nonaligned the more violence erupts on cyprus. the usa and uk's proxy in instigating violence was of course the TMT. the turk cyp terrorist organization..

There was me thinking GC nepotism was the root of all evil on this island. Turns out that it was all our fault all along!

Has it ever occured to you that the TCs were arming themselves just in case they did not want EOKA to walk all over them?

Deniz, how could you think like that? Don't you know that Eoka were angels?

[wyoming cowboy]

EOKA ended all operations at the time of the zurich agreements, Eoka B was not formed until 1971, and it was formed to overthrow Makarios not kill tc as your propaganda machines tell you...

Major Macey comes to mind over and over..When the Brits were trainign and arming TMT, who were they going to use their training and weapons against?

Never heard of the Akritas plan then?

Philosophically, politically and selfishly it was the Tc who instigated and prodded a majority to react and they did, its as wrong to deny the majority its rights as much as the majority deny the civil rights of a minority

In the periods after the republic was formed, 1960,61,62,63, approximately 4 years of relative peace and intercommunal harmony..then the problems of 64...where did all of this suddenly come from? If you remember the early 60's was the height of the cold war between the worlds superpowers. usa vs ussr and their cohorts the warsaw pact and nato. 1960 saw the cyprus become a republic, and during the same year the cuban government was overthrown by a communist named castro. Makarios as the elected president and figurehead of cyprus choose to lead a nonaligned foreign policy for cyprus. He visited The ussr, India, China and Nasser of Egypt. All of which if existed today could be considered the axis of evil by the usa and the UK.. Its a well known corelation that the more Makarios leaned towards these countries including Tito's Yugoslavia, the more problems with interethnic violence on Cyprus..In 1963 in October there was the Cuban missile crisis in december of 63 violence erupts on cyprus..Can anyone imagine what the experts at the state dept were thinking when they see Makarios and Castro embracing in friendship, What it would mean if Cyprus became a missile base for the warsaw pact..therefore the more makarios clinged to the nonaligned the more violence erupts on cyprus. the usa and uk's proxy in instigating violence was of course the TMT. the turk cyp terrorist organization..

There was me thinking GC nepotism was the root of all evil on this island. Turns out that it was all our fault all along!

Has it ever occured to you that the TCs were arming themselves just in case they did not want EOKA to walk all over them?

Deniz, how could you think like that? Don't you know that Eoka were angels?

[shahmaran]

EOKA ended all operations at the time of the zurich agreements, Eoka B was not formed until 1971, and it was formed to overthrow Makarios not kill tc as your propaganda machines tell you...

Major Macey comes to mind over and over..When the Brits were trainign and arming TMT, who were they going to use their training and weapons against?

Never heard of the Akritas plan then?

Philosophically, politically and selfishly it was the Tc who instigated and prodded a majority to react and they did, its as wrong to deny the majority its rights as much as the majority deny the civil rights of a minority

In the periods after the republic was formed, 1960,61,62,63, approximately 4 years of relative peace and intercommunal harmony..then the problems of 64...where did all of this suddenly come from? If you remember the early 60's was the height of the cold war between the worlds superpowers. usa vs ussr and their cohorts the warsaw pact and nato. 1960 saw the cyprus become a republic, and during the same year the cuban government was overthrown by a communist named castro. Makarios as the elected president and figurehead of cyprus choose to lead a nonaligned foreign policy for cyprus. He visited The ussr, India, China and Nasser of Egypt. All of which if existed today could be considered the axis of evil by the usa and the UK.. Its a well known corelation that the more Makarios leaned towards these countries including Tito's Yugoslavia, the more problems with interethnic violence on Cyprus..In 1963 in October there was the Cuban missile crisis in december of 63 violence erupts on cyprus..Can anyone imagine what the experts at the state dept were thinking when they see Makarios and Castro embracing in friendship, What it would mean if Cyprus became a missile base for the warsaw pact..therefore the more makarios clinged to the nonaligned the more violence erupts on cyprus. the usa and uk's proxy in instigating violence was of course the TMT. the turk cyp terrorist organization..

There was me thinking GC nepotism was the root of all evil on this island. Turns out that it was all our fault all along!

Has it ever occured to you that the TCs were arming themselves just in case they did not want EOKA to walk all over them?

Deniz, how could you think like that? Don't you know that Eoka were angels?

Yeah you tell that to all the missing TC's.

Who is this fool?!

[Byron]

The Turkish army has been here for 35 years. Military wise we have had the upper hand since and we still probably do. So I find it laughable that when we say 'no we want to keep our guarantor', we are viewed with cynical skepticism as if we are planning another attack.

35 years later it must be pretty obvious that we don't want anything more than a normal life on our island along with our fellow Cypriots.

Yet the people who caused the Turkish army to arrive in the first place seem to vigorously deny our need for some protection(!!).

Well people, 35 years later we have not fired a single bullet (well just the 1 and it was a TC officer not Turkish plus you provoked it).

So if you do not trust us then how can you expect us to trust you? Yet you go even further and demand our trust as a condition within the negotiations.

In my opinion, your way of negotiating seems to be more about forcing us into a position of your choice, rather than actually wanting a solution for a united Cyprus where we are all equal.

Maybe you don't actually want a solution but have other agendas beneath your will for "justice and human rights", which seems to be the most popular reason to make life hell for people these days anyways

You state that the TURKISH MILITARY is safeguarding peace for the Turkish Cypriots. What if the GREEK MILITARY placed 35000 troops on the island to protect the Greek Cypriots. Surely you would say that if Turkish Cypriots are entitled to protection so should the GREEK Cypriots.

[shahmaran]

The Turkish army has been here for 35 years. Military wise we have had the upper hand since and we still probably do. So I find it laughable that when we say 'no we want to keep our guarantor', we are viewed with cynical skepticism as if we are planning another attack.

35 years later it must be pretty obvious that we don't want anything more than a normal life on our island along with our fellow Cypriots.

Yet the people who caused the Turkish army to arrive in the first place seem to vigorously deny our need for some protection(!!).

Well people, 35 years later we have not fired a single bullet (well just the 1 and it was a TC officer not Turkish plus you provoked it).

So if you do not trust us then how can you expect us to trust you? Yet you go even further and demand our trust as a condition within the negotiations.

In my opinion, your way of negotiating seems to be more about forcing us into a position of your choice, rather than actually wanting a solution for a united Cyprus where we are all equal.

Maybe you don't actually want a solution but have other agendas beneath your will for "justice and human rights", which seems to be the most popular reason to make life hell for people these days anyways

You state that the TURKISH MILITARY is safeguarding peace for the Turkish Cypriots. What if the GREEK MILITARY placed 35000 troops on the island to protect the Greek Cypriots. Surely you would say that if Turkish Cypriots are entitled to protection so should the GREEK Cypriots.

You would find that the GC's did NOT need any assistance against the TC's initially, as they were overwhelmingly superior AND they still DID get help from the Greeks.

Were they out to bring justice on the island? Doubt it.

The Greek's had openly admitted that they were aiming to remove the TC presence from the island completely and unite the island with Greece.

So, under such circumstances who is it that needs the help? GC's?

Greece has already got an army presence on the island, just not as many.

I guess all they can muster up is a few thousand, that's not our problem.

[Byron]

The Turkish army has been here for 35 years. Military wise we have had the upper hand since and we still probably do. So I find it laughable that when we say 'no we want to keep our guarantor', we are viewed with cynical skepticism as if we are planning another attack.

35 years later it must be pretty obvious that we don't want anything more than a normal life on our island along with our fellow Cypriots.

Yet the people who caused the Turkish army to arrive in the first place seem to vigorously deny our need for some protection(!!).

Well people, 35 years later we have not fired a single bullet (well just the 1 and it was a TC officer not Turkish plus you provoked it).

So if you do not trust us then how can you expect us to trust you? Yet you go even further and demand our trust as a condition within the negotiations.

In my opinion, your way of negotiating seems to be more about forcing us into a position of your choice, rather than actually wanting a solution for a united Cyprus where we are all equal.

Maybe you don't actually want a solution but have other agendas beneath your will for "justice and human rights", which seems to be the most popular reason to make life hell for people these days anyways

You state that the TURKISH MILITARY is safeguarding peace for the Turkish Cypriots. What if the GREEK MILITARY placed 35000 troops on the island to protect the Greek Cypriots. Surely you would say that if Turkish Cypriots are entitled to protection so should the GREEK Cypriots.

You would find that the GC's did NOT need any assistance against the TC's initially, as they were overwhelmingly superior AND they still DID get help from the Greeks.

Were they out to bring justice on the island? Doubt it.

The Greek's had openly admitted that they were aiming to remove the TC presence from the island completely and unite the island with Greece.

So, under such circumstances who is it that needs the help? GC's?

Greece has already got an army presence on the island, just not as many.

I guess all they can muster up is a few thousand, that's not our problem.

You are not answering the question! If you have the right to defend yourself with TURKISH MILITARY do the GREEK CYPRIOTS have the same right to request GREECE MILITARY to defend its citizens, yes or no?
The fact that GC may or may not request is irrelevant. What is important here is to acknowledge whether the Greek Cypriots have the same rights.
Because up to now all you do is talk about equal rights.

[shahmaran]

Well I have already told you that the Greek's DO already have an army there, the fact that it is not as big as the Turkish one here is not our problem. No one claims that they cannot be there, unlike the GC's who want the Turkish army out.

When did you hear Turkey or anyone here complain about the military presence within the RoC?

They are arming themselves to their teeth.

Your analogy is totally void.

[Byron]

Well I have already told you that the Greek's DO already have an army there, the fact that it is not as big as the Turkish one here is not our problem. No one claims that they cannot be there, unlike the GC's who want the Turkish army out.

When did you hear Turkey or anyone here complain about the military presence within the RoC?

They are arming themselves to their teeth.

You analogy is totally void.

So you do not object if the GREEK MILITARY is increased to 35000 and we put missiles pointing in your direction because as you say it is a deterrent and good for peace.

[Viewpoint]

Well I have already told you that the Greek's DO already have an army there, the fact that it is not as big as the Turkish one here is not our problem. No one claims that they cannot be there, unlike the GC's who want the Turkish army out.

When did you hear Turkey or anyone here complain about the military presence within the RoC?

They are arming themselves to their teeth.

You analogy is totally void.

So you do not object if the GREEK MILITARY is increased to 35000 and we put missiles pointing in your direction because as you say it is a deterrent and good for peace.

Go ahead, you already have 12000 soldiers and 120.000 armed reservists so rather a sore point, they call it being a hypocrite.