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[shahmaran]

I recall Christofias himself, in a speech he made to UK Cypriots here in London, acknowledging the wrongdoings of sections of the community he represents during the 1960s period. I've no doubt, during discussions he's had with Talat, he has expressed sorrow and regret for what transpired. I've no doubt he's said the same to his EU partners and to UN representatives supporting the peace process.

Many, perhaps most Cypriots in the free areas - particularly the younger ones - appear also to be more willing to accept that there is more than one side to this story, and are saddened as they discover the mistakes that were made, in the pursuit of self-determination, in the 50s, 60s and 70s.

However, while Cypriots in the free areas appear collectively to be coming to terms with their troubled past and are ready to construct a better future for all the island's citizens in the EU, none of this appears to be making a blind bit of difference to Turkey's military - who seem to be pursuing the same policy on Cyprus that they've always pursued. Partition and control.

And the sad thing is that some TCs here act as their apologists, by constantly going on about the wrongs of another era, instead of condemning the wrongs that are being perpetuated by Turkey's military to this day. What's wrong with them?

Cypriot, if you truly believe that this forum is all about us TC's going on and on about the crimes of the GC's while they are "coming to terms" with their troubled past, then you must be pretty delusional as all I read is evil this barbaric that, thieves left and murderers right.

Are we even talking about the same forum?!

[shahmaran]

Shahmaran the TC brought all the troubles on them selves. They sided with the British in the 50's so the GC's turned on them. Also your own extremist started the problems not us.

You do make me laugh. This forum has opened my eyes. I always though that TC's and GC's were very similar in they way we thought but my opinion is changing every time I see the shit people like you and VP spout. Don't get me wrong we have Oracle who is our extremist.

We will never solve the problem with people like you going back 50-60 years trying to justify illegal occupation. Accept it you have stolen our land and now you don't want to give it back because you are greedy and don't really care about Cyprus.

We can all go back in time and quote injustices say the Greeks in Constantinople, Armenians & Kurds shall I go on. Turkey is the worst offender.

So stop writing crap to try and justify why Turkey is occupying a EU country. You want to be treated like civilised people. The act civilized.

You contradict your own self so many times just in one paragraph, I'm surprised you are not killing yourself laughing.

[The Cypriot]

Cypriot, if you truly believe that this forum is all about us TC's going on and on about the crimes of the GC's while they are "coming to terms" with their troubled past,

I don't believe that. I didn't say that. I didn't even imply that.

then you must be pretty delusional

I'm being delusional - while you're reading things that aren't there.

as all I read is evil this barbaric that, thieves left and murderers right.

Now who's being delusional.

Are we even talking about the same forum?!

I wasn't really talking about this, or any other forum so, I'm sorry, but you've lost me.

[wyoming cowboy]

In the periods after the republic was formed, 1960,61,62,63, approximately 4 years of relative peace and intercommunal harmony..then the problems of 64...where did all of this suddenly come from? If you remember the early 60's was the height of the cold war between the worlds superpowers. usa vs ussr and their cohorts the warsaw pact and nato. 1960 saw the cyprus become a republic, and during the same year the cuban government was overthrown by a communist named castro. Makarios as the elected president and figurehead of cyprus choose to lead a nonaligned foreign policy for cyprus. He visited The ussr, India, China and Nasser of Egypt. All of which if existed today could be considered the axis of evil by the usa and the UK.. Its a well known corelation that the more Makarios leaned towards these countries including Tito's Yugoslavia, the more problems with interethnic violence on Cyprus..In 1963 in October there was the Cuban missile crisis in december of 63 violence erupts on cyprus..Can anyone imagine what the experts at the state dept were thinking when they see Makarios and Castro embracing in friendship, What it would mean if Cyprus became a missile base for the warsaw pact..therefore the more makarios clinged to the nonaligned the more violence erupts on cyprus. the usa and uk's proxy in instigating violence was of course the TMT. the turk cyp terrorist organization..

[Viewpoint]

I recall Christofias himself, in a speech he made to UK Cypriots here in London, acknowledging the wrongdoings of sections of the community he represents during the 1960s period. I've no doubt, during discussions he's had with Talat, he has expressed sorrow and regret for what transpired. I've no doubt he's said the same to his EU partners and to UN representatives supporting the peace process.

Many, perhaps most Cypriots in the free areas - particularly the younger ones - appear also to be more willing to accept that there is more than one side to this story, and are saddened as they discover the mistakes that were made, in the pursuit of self-determination, in the 50s, 60s and 70s.

However, while Cypriots in the free areas appear collectively to be coming to terms with their troubled past and are ready to construct a better future for all the island's citizens in the EU, none of this appears to be making a blind bit of difference to Turkey's military - who seem to be pursuing the same policy on Cyprus that they've always pursued. Partition and control.

And the sad thing is that some TCs here act as their apologists, by constantly going on about the wrongs of another era, instead of condemning the wrongs that are being perpetuated by Turkey's military to this day. What's wrong with them?

Sorry but we do not believe this for one minute, your sides actions talk for itself..we are further from a solution today than we have ver been as the interation between the 2 sides has not brought us closer togerther far from it has had a negative impact and people dont really think there will ever be a solution nor do they want to go live in the "EU" south Cyprus or they would have moved during the past 5 years. When will you people realize that TCs will not be fooled into uniting unless every detail is crystal clear and both sides are forced to stick to the letter of any new agreement, with plenty of safeguards guarantees and penalities for non performance.

[shahmaran]

Cypriot, if you truly believe that this forum is all about us TC's going on and on about the crimes of the GC's while they are "coming to terms" with their troubled past,

I don't believe that. I didn't say that. I didn't even imply that.

then you must be pretty delusional

I'm being delusional - while you're reading things that aren't there.

as all I read is evil this barbaric that, thieves left and murderers right.

Now who's being delusional.

Are we even talking about the same forum?!

I wasn't really talking about this, or any other forum so, I'm sorry, but you've lost me.

My bad Cypriot, when you drop a comment in the middle of a discussion on a specific thread, I had assumed you were actually following the same discussion...

[wyoming cowboy]

Therefore if the Turk cyp think they can convince the world that we violated their civil rights in the 60's, is absurd..they themselves choose to withdraw from the government of cyprus, which only a few years before they had agreed to participate in. Can these people really be trusted in a partnership state again..??

[shahmaran]

In the periods after the republic was formed, 1960,61,62,63, approximately 4 years of relative peace and intercommunal harmony..then the problems of 64...where did all of this suddenly come from? If you remember the early 60's was the height of the cold war between the worlds superpowers. usa vs ussr and their cohorts the warsaw pact and nato. 1960 saw the cyprus become a republic, and during the same year the cuban government was overthrown by a communist named castro. Makarios as the elected president and figurehead of cyprus choose to lead a nonaligned foreign policy for cyprus. He visited The ussr, India, China and Nasser of Egypt. All of which if existed today could be considered the axis of evil by the usa and the UK.. Its a well known corelation that the more Makarios leaned towards these countries including Tito's Yugoslavia, the more problems with interethnic violence on Cyprus..In 1963 in October there was the Cuban missile crisis in december of 63 violence erupts on cyprus..Can anyone imagine what the experts at the state dept were thinking when they see Makarios and Castro embracing in friendship, What it would mean if Cyprus became a missile base for the warsaw pact..therefore the more makarios clinged to the nonaligned the more violence erupts on cyprus. the usa and uk's proxy in instigating violence was of course the TMT. the turk cyp terrorist organization..

There was me thinking GC nepotism was the root of all evil on this island. Turns out that it was all our fault all along!

[The Cypriot]

Sorry but we do not believe this for one minute,

Why would I lie, do you think?

your sides actions talk for itself..we are further from a solution today than we have ver been as the interation between the 2 sides has not brought us closer togerther far from it has had a negative impact and people dont really think there will ever be a solution nor do they want to go live in the "EU" south Cyprus or they would have moved during the past 5 years.

Haven't many taken advantage of EU citzenship and moved from the island altogether?

When will you people realize that TCs will not be fooled into uniting unless every detail is crystal clear and both sides are forced to stick to the letter of any new agreement, with plenty of safeguards guarantees and penalities for non performance.

Yes. I think I've reard this from you before.

[Viewpoint]

Sorry but we do not believe this for one minute,

Why would I lie, do you think?

your sides actions talk for itself..we are further from a solution today than we have ver been as the interation between the 2 sides has not brought us closer togerther far from it has had a negative impact and people dont really think there will ever be a solution nor do they want to go live in the "EU" south Cyprus or they would have moved during the past 5 years.

Haven't many taken advantage of EU citzenship and moved from the island altogether?

When will you people realize that TCs will not be fooled into uniting unless every detail is crystal clear and both sides are forced to stick to the letter of any new agreement, with plenty of safeguards guarantees and penalities for non performance.

Yes. I think I've reard this from you before.

Actions speak more than words and unless certain staps are not taken by GCs to ease the isolation no TC will ever want to compromise...if GCs can prove that a solution is far better than what we have today then they will not get any support...all we see now is you trying to sell us faulty goods which could cost us dearly in the future.