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[Sotos]

VP. I will ask you politely can you please back up your claims. I am aware that Larnaca Airport has been partialy built on TC land. But can you show me some evidence that the GC's are also exploiting the TC's land just as the TC's are exploiting our land?

There was a case not so long ago in your own papers that TC land was misused. I also have a friend who has 50 donums in Limasol part of which has also been developed and sold on...the court case is still pending after having to change GC lawyers many times for blatently stalling the legal process.

More Turkish lies with no proof.

[Viewpoint]

VP. I will ask you politely can you please back up your claims. I am aware that Larnaca Airport has been partialy built on TC land. But can you show me some evidence that the GC's are also exploiting the TC's land just as the TC's are exploiting our land?

There was a case not so long ago in your own papers that TC land was misused. I also have a friend who has 50 donums in Limasol part of which has also been developed and sold on...the court case is still pending after having to change GC lawyers many times for blatently stalling the legal process.

More Turkish lies with no proof.

Do you want the TCs name or the coordinates of the land?

[Kikapu]

VP. I will ask you politely can you please back up your claims. I am aware that Larnaca Airport has been partialy built on TC land. But can you show me some evidence that the GC's are also exploiting the TC's land just as the TC's are exploiting our land?

There was a case not so long ago in your own papers that TC land was misused. I also have a friend who has 50 donums in Limasol part of which has also been developed and sold on...the court case is still pending after having to change GC lawyers many times for blatently stalling the legal process.

If the RoC government developed on the TC land as a public project, it is 100% legal. The TC will be compensated for the value of the land at the time it was expropriated by the government. When the TC will get his money, is another story, but don't make any comparison to thousands of cases where individuals dealt with GC land in the north. You yourself have stated that members of your family has also bought GC land as well as mine. There is a difference and the whole world knows it and the ECJ ruling proved it.

[Viewpoint]

So what the "RoC" does is fine because they stole all our rights in 1963?

TC land in the south is also being exploited admittidly not to the level of the north but the principle is the same, so who is the hyprcrite here there is no such this as a little exploitation...the GCs are far better at hiding the truth than we are.

[bill cobbett]

So what the "RoC" does is fine because they stole all our rights in 1963?

TC land in the south is also being exploited admittidly not to the level of the north but the principle is the same, so who is the hyprcrite here there is no such this as a little exploitation...the GCs are far better at hiding the truth than we are.

In order that we may better understand this S cale versus Principle business..

Would you be so good as to post some proof to show that the Government of the Republic has given dodgy kochans to grissy refugees and that this same government has allowed, facilitated, encouraged and profited from a widespread and state-run scam to sell the property of others, as has happened in Tnucland.

It might help if you would give us even a single solitary example of a grissy who has found refuge in a tissy home being given kochans to the tissy property.

[Kikapu]

So what the "RoC" does is fine because they stole all our rights in 1963?

TC land in the south is also being exploited admittidly not to the level of the north but the principle is the same, so who is the hyprcrite here there is no such this as a little exploitation...the GCs are far better at hiding the truth than we are.

It would not matter even if the TCs were still in the government, had they listened to Inönü back in 1964 and returned, which Denktash and Küçük refused, but lets put all that aside and say that since 1960 there was not a problem in Cyprus, the RoC government could at any time expropriate land for public projects no matter to whom they belonged to. Don't think for a moment, that since 1974 the RoC has not expropriated GC land in the south also. Common practice in every country. So don't mix oranges and apples, because you will lose this argument...............again.!

The couple of cases where it was in the press, that some tried to steal TC land in the south, were caught and prosecuted. Compare that to the north, where your "government" is an active co-conspirators in committing fraud by selling land that does not belong to them, and the ECJ will be used to prosecute anyone and everyone in the future who has dealt in such frauds if a settlement is not reached. No one is going to protect you from the long arm of Justice anymore. The same ECJ will apply to everyone, therefore if the TCs have a claim of the same fraudulent dealings in the south of their land by the GCs, then the GC's will also pay the price of being convicted, but I don't see any GC's worrying about such scenarios as the Brits and TCs are in the north from such cases.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu

It would not matter even if the TCs were still in the government, had they listened to Inönü back in 1964 and returned, which Denktash and Küçük refused, but lets put all that aside and say that since 1960 there was not a problem in Cyprus, the RoC government could at any time expropriate land for public projects no matter to whom they belonged to. Don't think for a moment, that since 1974 the RoC has not expropriated GC land in the south also. Common practice in every country. So don't mix oranges and apples, because you will lose this argument...............again.!

Expropriation is as you say common practice in every country but organised calculated acts to swallow up TCs land is totally a different ball game, legal disgused theft.....the surgeon has made his incision.

The couple of cases where it was in the press, that some tried to steal TC land in the south, were caught and prosecuted. Compare that to the north, where your "government" is an active co-conspirators in committing fraud by selling land that does not belong to them, and the ECJ will be used to prosecute anyone and everyone in the future who has dealt in such frauds if a settlement is not reached. No one is going to protect you from the long arm of Justice anymore. The same ECJ will apply to everyone, therefore if the TCs have a claim of the same fraudulent dealings in the south of their land by the GCs, then the GC's will also pay the price of being convicted, but I don't see any GC's worrying about such scenarios as the Brits and TCs are in the north from such cases.

Tip of the iceberg..there are many more that will come to light as I said before the GCs are experts at concealing the truth.

[Paphitis]

Kikapu

It would not matter even if the TCs were still in the government, had they listened to Inönü back in 1964 and returned, which Denktash and Küçük refused, but lets put all that aside and say that since 1960 there was not a problem in Cyprus, the RoC government could at any time expropriate land for public projects no matter to whom they belonged to. Don't think for a moment, that since 1974 the RoC has not expropriated GC land in the south also. Common practice in every country. So don't mix oranges and apples, because you will lose this argument...............again.!

Expropriation is as you say common practice in every country but organised calculated acts to swallow up TCs land is totally a different ball game, legal disgused theft.....the surgeon has made his incision.

The couple of cases where it was in the press, that some tried to steal TC land in the south, were caught and prosecuted. Compare that to the north, where your "government" is an active co-conspirators in committing fraud by selling land that does not belong to them, and the ECJ will be used to prosecute anyone and everyone in the future who has dealt in such frauds if a settlement is not reached. No one is going to protect you from the long arm of Justice anymore. The same ECJ will apply to everyone, therefore if the TCs have a claim of the same fraudulent dealings in the south of their land by the GCs, then the GC's will also pay the price of being convicted, but I don't see any GC's worrying about such scenarios as the Brits and TCs are in the north from such cases.

Tip of the iceberg..there are many more that will come to light as I said before the GCs are experts at concealing the truth.

Read it and weep Bozo...

TC Property Management Service

As a result of the massive removal of the Turkish Cypriot population, due to the Turkish invasion, to the areas under the occupation of the Turkish invasion forces and the fact that this population is banned from moving to the areas of the Republic of Cyprus, the properties which have been abandoned, both movable and immovable, have come under the management of the Custodian of Turkish Cypriot Properties.

The Republic of Cyprus, in order to protect these properties and also to allocate them on a rational basis in order to serve the basic housing needs and reactivate the thousands of Greek-Cypriot refugees, took over at first the management of the Turkish Cypriot properties since the end of 1974, following the issue for this purpose of a General Order for the Requisitioning of the affected Turkish-Cypriot Properties.

With the lapse of time it became necessary to enact legislation governing the management of Turkish Cypriot Properties. To this end the Turkish Cypriot Properties Management and Other Matters (Temporary Provisions) Law No. 139/91 was enacted. According to this Law, the Minister of the Interior is appointed Custodian of Turkish Cypriot properties and all the Turkish Cypriot properties come under him and he manages them with the aim of meeting the needs of the refugees and serving the interests of the proprietors. According to section 16 of the Law, Regulations were approved in 1992 by the House of Representatives which govern the management of the properties and also include the criteria for their allocation.

Under the same Law a Central Service of Management of Turkish Cypriot Properties is established headed by the Minister of the Interior as "Custodian" of Turkish Cypriot Properties. The Minister of the Interior, in his capacity as "Custodian" of Turkish Cypriot Properties, has delegated some of his powers to the Director of the Turkish Cypriot Properties Management Service as well as to the respective District Officers for the best possible management of Turkish Cypriot properties.


http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/moi/citizensch ... enDocument

[Paphitis]

A. Criteria for allocating houses:

i. Priority is given in the cases where both spouses are refugees or where at least one of the members of the family is a refugee.

ii. The economic position of the family, its composition, the large number of the members of the family and their age constitute important factors in taking the decision.

iii. The applicants should not have a house of their own, should not be owners of immovable property of significant value in the free areas and should not have been housed under other housing Government programmes.

B. Criteria for allocating agricultural land

Priority is given to persons who live in villages in which the Turkish Cypriot property is situated and work as farmers - cattle breeders or farm labourers: provided that refugees who for certain reasons were forced to live in other villages are not excluded.

C. Criteria for allocating business premises (Turkish Cypriot places, Turkish Cypriot premises and Turkish Cypriot shops)

i. The applicants should be refugees and should not be owners of business premises.

ii. The economic position of the family, its composition, the large number of its members and their age constitute important factors.

iii. The degree of activation and the economic position of the applicants as well their properties in the occupied areas are taken into consideration.

iv. Statutory tenants of Turkish Cypriot premises are given priority in the lease of the specific premises.

D. Allocation of Turkish Cypriot property to non refugees

The Custodian, in cases where he deems fit, may allocate to non refugees also Turkish Cypriot property on a temporary basis and under a contract following the publication of a notice in the daily press, provided that:

i. There are no entitled refugees who are interested in leasing or obtaining a licence to use the property in question:

It is understood that, in case of non allocated houses in villages where there is no demand by refugees for permanent occupation, these houses may be allocated on payment of rent either to refugees or to non refugees on a temporary basis, or

i. The Turkish Cypriot property exceeds the needs of the interested refugees or

ii. The Turkish Cypriot property consists of small plots of non irrigated or other dryland crops which are enclosed within Greek Cypriot properties, or

iii. They are non refugees who are inhabitants of villages adjoining the dividing line or other villages a significant part of the agricultural land of which has been occupied or is inaccessible due to the Turkish invasion or

iv. The Custodian considers that this is in the public interest.

E. Fixing of Rent

Rent to be paid or the use fee which is fixed for the lease of Turkish Cypriot properties amounts to 80% of the market rent in case the tenant or the licensed person is a refugee, while in the case of a non refugee the market rent is paid (100%).

http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/moi/citizensch ... enDocument

[denizaksulu]

Guys I just wanted to give my opinion on the question I posed. If I'm incorrect then the TC's can correct me. Deniz why answer a question with a question. I've never travelled to the North and I wont until the Turkish Troops have left our country.

So you tell me who is making the money?

Developers and the corrupt people at the top. The ordinary people work hard for their living. Not all are scoundrels as you seem to imply. The best way for you to find out is to make that trip.