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[denizaksulu]

Removing the embargoes , allowing direct flights into occupied Cyprus is tantamount to recognition of the pseudo state created and administered exclusively by the occupying power. No Cypriot would condone such an action , this coming from myself who is well known for his moderate views and his commitment to one united Cyprus where not a single Cypriot is classed as part of a minority .
Recognition will never occur and will never be considered as an option .

Milti. while I do agree with your statement above, some might see a more sinister motive for the contination of these 'embargoes' and non-recognition. The continuous embargoes will ensure that the TCs will be a much 'weaker' partner in any peace solution. I do not see what the GCs fear of a more developed Turkish Cypriot presence. There should be more faith and shown towards the Turkish Cypriots; the ending of these restrictions will show 'goodwill' from te Greek Cypriots. (I am not talking about recognition here - just isolation and embargoes).

Regards

Deniz, the problem with lifting the embargoes is that the trnc would/could claim this as recognition whether the ROC made non-recognition a condition or not. The ROC would also be loathe to do anything that would benefit the settlers or the TAF. Confidence building measures would certainly give a lift to the current talks. In the current climate if it was just TCs and GCs negotiating I'm sure that an agreement could be reached but Turkey, the settlers and carpetbaggers have complicated the the search for a solution. My own view is that Varosha should be returned to the ROC in exchange for say legally opening the port of Famagusta or possibly even Tymbou.

That I am aware of. How else do you think you can get more TCs to say 'Yes, re-unification is ok because we can trust the GCs.'

As I said Varosha for ports, however if what Halil says about Talat wanting arbitration is true then we may not need confidence building measures.

I was always for the relinquishing Varosha. You seem to have more faith in Talat than I do. I hope you are right.

I cant wait to see what happens if he tells the TAF to leave.

[Viewpoint]

Removing the embargoes , allowing direct flights into occupied Cyprus is tantamount to recognition of the pseudo state created and administered exclusively by the occupying power. No Cypriot would condone such an action , this coming from myself who is well known for his moderate views and his commitment to one united Cyprus where not a single Cypriot is classed as part of a minority .
Recognition will never occur and will never be considered as an option .

Milti. while I do agree with your statement above, some might see a more sinister motive for the contination of these 'embargoes' and non-recognition. The continuous embargoes will ensure that the TCs will be a much 'weaker' partner in any peace solution. I do not see what the GCs fear of a more developed Turkish Cypriot presence. There should be more faith and shown towards the Turkish Cypriots; the ending of these restrictions will show 'goodwill' from te Greek Cypriots. (I am not talking about recognition here - just isolation and embargoes).

Regards

Deniz, the problem with lifting the embargoes is that the trnc would/could claim this as recognition whether the ROC made non-recognition a condition or not. The ROC would also be loathe to do anything that would benefit the settlers or the TAF. Confidence building measures would certainly give a lift to the current talks. In the current climate if it was just TCs and GCs negotiating I'm sure that an agreement could be reached but Turkey, the settlers and carpetbaggers have complicated the the search for a solution. My own view is that Varosha should be returned to the ROC in exchange for say legally opening the port of Famagusta or possibly even Tymbou.

I agree Maraş should be offset against all ports deal, with the development work to be carried out by local firms not foreigners.

I assume you would not include TCs in the development work in Varosha because as you keep telling us you don't feel safe in our company. Besides, I don't think GCs would be too happy about paying those responsible for Varosha's destruction to rebuild it, unless they did it free of charge as an act of penance.

Companies from both sides of the island will vie for the work without discrimination, an EU mechanism should control this.

[Oracle]

Companies from both sides of the island will vie for the work without discrimination, an EU mechanism should control this.

Don't worry about this; there'll be no "sides" ... You and all your kind will be in Turkey when we get not only Famagusta back, but all the rest of the Island ....

[Get Real!]

Companies from both sides of the island will vie for the work without discrimination, an EU mechanism should control this.

Forget all these external controlling mechanisms... this is the 21st century and the RoC doesn't work like that. Anyone interested responds to a tender and the best man wins.

[Get Real!]

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[samarkeolog]

Napan re gardash? Foruma hosgeldin. Siten'den dolayi seni tebrik ederim.

eyiyim re... hosbulduk.. saolasing

Re ama oyle gonuşung sankı da köylüyük!!

The problem with your phonetic language is that it looks as ugly as it sounds ....

You are such a positive force for reconciliation and coexistence.

[denizaksulu]

Napan re gardash? Foruma hosgeldin. Siten'den dolayi seni tebrik ederim.

eyiyim re... hosbulduk.. saolasing

Re ama oyle gonuşung sankı da köylüyük!!

The problem with your phonetic language is that it looks as ugly as it sounds ....

You are such a positive force for reconciliation and coexistence.

Ignorant; This is pure Kophiniot Cypriot tongue talking. Show respect woman.

[Oracle]

Napan re gardash? Foruma hosgeldin. Siten'den dolayi seni tebrik ederim.

eyiyim re... hosbulduk.. saolasing

Re ama oyle gonuşung sankı da köylüyük!!

The problem with your phonetic language is that it looks as ugly as it sounds ....

You are such a positive force for reconciliation and coexistence.

I don't need to persuade anyone to join me in my own country. Turks must leave.

The whole Island will be free from foreign oppression eventually; under the banner of the RoC-EU.

Turkish will be one of the languages left as a relic by a past invaders. The official language for Cyprus adopted by the EU is Greek. English will be the working language.

As for my personal opinion of phonemes and graphemes re. the Turkish code .... it's as personal as preferring Bach to Black Sabbath ....

[DT.]

Removing the embargoes , allowing direct flights into occupied Cyprus is tantamount to recognition of the pseudo state created and administered exclusively by the occupying power. No Cypriot would condone such an action , this coming from myself who is well known for his moderate views and his commitment to one united Cyprus where not a single Cypriot is classed as part of a minority .
Recognition will never occur and will never be considered as an option .

Milti. while I do agree with your statement above, some might see a more sinister motive for the contination of these 'embargoes' and non-recognition. The continuous embargoes will ensure that the TCs will be a much 'weaker' partner in any peace solution. I do not see what the GCs fear of a more developed Turkish Cypriot presence. There should be more faith and shown towards the Turkish Cypriots; the ending of these restrictions will show 'goodwill' from te Greek Cypriots. (I am not talking about recognition here - just isolation and embargoes).

Regards

Deniz, the problem with lifting the embargoes is that the trnc would/could claim this as recognition whether the ROC made non-recognition a condition or not. The ROC would also be loathe to do anything that would benefit the settlers or the TAF. Confidence building measures would certainly give a lift to the current talks. In the current climate if it was just TCs and GCs negotiating I'm sure that an agreement could be reached but Turkey, the settlers and carpetbaggers have complicated the the search for a solution. My own view is that Varosha should be returned to the ROC in exchange for say legally opening the port of Famagusta or possibly even Tymbou.

That I am aware of. How else do you think you can get more TCs to say 'Yes, re-unification is ok because we can trust the GCs.'

As I said Varosha for ports, however if what Halil says about Talat wanting arbitration is true then we may not need confidence building measures.

I was always for the relinquishing Varosha. You seem to have more faith in Talat than I do. I hope you are right.

I cant wait to see what happens if he tells the TAF to leave.

Tymbou or Varosha port cannot be opened unless the Turkish occupation forces remove themselves from them and they are left as enclaves of areas controlled by the government of Cyprus. That means ROC custom officers, ROC police etc. These employees can be TC, it doesn't matter, what matters is that all ports are controlled by the government of Cyprus and not by an occupation force.

You cannot recognise a port on your soil when you have no control over it and the entity that controls it has no requirement to abide by EU custom regulations.

[denizaksulu]

Napan re gardash? Foruma hosgeldin. Siten'den dolayi seni tebrik ederim.

eyiyim re... hosbulduk.. saolasing

Re ama oyle gonuşung sankı da köylüyük!!

The problem with your phonetic language is that it looks as ugly as it sounds ....

You are such a positive force for reconciliation and coexistence.

I don't need to persuade anyone to join me in my own country. Turks must leave.

The whole Island will be free from foreign oppression eventually; under the banner of the RoC-EU.

Turkish will be one of the languages left as a relic by a past invaders. The official language for Cyprus adopted by the EU is Greek. English will be the working language.

As for my personal opinion of phonemes and graphemes re. the Turkish code .... it's as personal as preferring Bach to Black Sabbath ....

I would like to hold your hand when you eat your words Oracle. I am of a very sympathetic nature................