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[Paphitis]

Article 1 - Human Dignity

Definition

Human Dignity is inviolable. It must be respected and protected.

Legal Explanations

The dignity of the human person is not only a fundamental right in itself but constitutes the real basis of fundamental rights. The 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights enshrined this principle in its preamble: ‘Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world’.

It results that none of the rights laid down in this Charter may be used to harm the dignity of another person, and that the dignity of the human person is part of the substance of the rights laid down in this Charter. It must therefore be respected, even where a right is restricted.

http://www.eucharter.org/home.php?page_id=8

The right to dignity recognizes the intrinsic and equal worth of all human beings. As such, all persons are entitled to be treated as worthy of respect and concern. [1]

The concept of intrinsic worth captures the idea that each human life has value, independent of things like social status or economic productivity, etc. The idea of equal worth stresses that this value is the same in all human beings, regardless of their other characteristics such as sex, race, ethnic or social origin, age, disability and so on.

The principle of respect for human dignity has been the basis for all national [2] or international [3] human rights instruments, typically as part of the preamble or an objective. For instance, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights refers in its preamble to “inherent dignity” and to “the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family” [4]. The Charter, on the other hand, is one of the few texts that enshrines the principle of dignity in its first article.

Although dignity as a concept seems relatively straightforward, it’s less clear as a legal principle giving rise to specific obligations. Nonetheless, it is relevant to situations where individuals are subject to state treatment and control, e.g. conditions in prisons, psychiatric institutions, state housing, care homes for the elderly, immigration detention centres, etc. In general, any of the following conditions are considered to violate human dignity [5]:

1. torture;
2. abject destitution;
3. humiliating or degrading treatment; [6]
4. cruel and unusual punishment;
5. egregious discrimination on the basis of sex, race, etc; and
6. flagrant denials of fundamental rights; e.g. indefinite extra-judicial detention

http://www.eucharter.org/home.php?page_id=69

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Many TCs believe that it is possible to negotiate a Cyprus Solution based on numerous derogations of the EU Charter.

This is IMPOSSIBLE!

The EU Charter must be complied with, otherwise the solution will not respect the rights of the individual citizen as an EQUAL to all other citizens.

Article 1 of the EU Charter tells us that Human Dignity in inviolable. It must be respected and protected.

Any Cyprus solution that does not respect Human Dignity by institutionalizing discrimination on race, sex or religion within the constitution, is a violation of the EU Human Rights Charter. Firstly, I presume that the GCs will never accept such a solution. But let's say for argument sake that it is accepted by referendum. Then the newly created Cyprus Constitution will be a fundamental violation of EU Human Rights. This very constitution that discriminates and segregates the citizens based on race, will be in total contravention of the EU Charter, thus giving every single Cypriot Citizen the right to fight these illegalities or violations of HR by seeking a local remedy. Upon an unsatisfactory outcome, every Cypriot Citizen will be entitled to lodge their Case Vs Cyprus within the ECHR and ECJ.

This very charter also invalidates the current 1960 Cyprus Constitution as this very document breaks the EU Charter on HR by segregating Cypriot Citizen's on the basis of race. Political rights are afforded to racially defined communities thus making the document illegal.

This thread is the first of the EU Charter Series of topics that the Cyprus Solution must be based on!

[bill cobbett]

Yes, a wise post from the brother from the Far West.

I think that part of the above and other matters are what our Pres X refers to when he says a settlement must be based on what he has called "European Principles".

It's a wise approach cos anything else, any derogations, are inherently undemocratic and further, unstable and challengeable in the EU courts.

Now Pres X says the settlement must be BASED on EU principles, call me pedant but that leaves too much room for interpretation for my liking. I'd like to hear him add entirely or exclusively or totally to this word "based".

[YFred]

Article 1 - Human Dignity

Definition

Human Dignity is inviolable. It must be respected and protected.

Legal Explanations

The dignity of the human person is not only a fundamental right in itself but constitutes the real basis of fundamental rights. The 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights enshrined this principle in its preamble: ‘Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world’.

It results that none of the rights laid down in this Charter may be used to harm the dignity of another person, and that the dignity of the human person is part of the substance of the rights laid down in this Charter. It must therefore be respected, even where a right is restricted.

http://www.eucharter.org/home.php?page_id=8

The right to dignity recognizes the intrinsic and equal worth of all human beings. As such, all persons are entitled to be treated as worthy of respect and concern. [1]

The concept of intrinsic worth captures the idea that each human life has value, independent of things like social status or economic productivity, etc. The idea of equal worth stresses that this value is the same in all human beings, regardless of their other characteristics such as sex, race, ethnic or social origin, age, disability and so on.

The principle of respect for human dignity has been the basis for all national [2] or international [3] human rights instruments, typically as part of the preamble or an objective. For instance, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights refers in its preamble to “inherent dignity” and to “the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family” [4]. The Charter, on the other hand, is one of the few texts that enshrines the principle of dignity in its first article.

Although dignity as a concept seems relatively straightforward, it’s less clear as a legal principle giving rise to specific obligations. Nonetheless, it is relevant to situations where individuals are subject to state treatment and control, e.g. conditions in prisons, psychiatric institutions, state housing, care homes for the elderly, immigration detention centres, etc. In general, any of the following conditions are considered to violate human dignity [5]:

1. torture;
2. abject destitution;
3. humiliating or degrading treatment; [6]
4. cruel and unusual punishment;
5. egregious discrimination on the basis of sex, race, etc; and
6. flagrant denials of fundamental rights; e.g. indefinite extra-judicial detention

http://www.eucharter.org/home.php?page_id=69

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Many TCs believe that it is possible to negotiate a Cyprus Solution based on numerous derogations of the EU Charter.

This is IMPOSSIBLE!

The EU Charter must be complied with, otherwise the solution will not respect the rights of the individual citizen as an EQUAL to all other citizens.

Article 1 of the EU Charter tells us that Human Dignity in inviolable. It must be respected and protected.

Any Cyprus solution that does not respect Human Dignity by institutionalizing discrimination on race, sex or religion within the constitution, is a violation of the EU Human Rights Charter. Firstly, I presume that the GCs will never accept such a solution. But let's say for argument sake that it is accepted by referendum. Then the newly created Cyprus Constitution will be a fundamental violation of EU Human Rights. This very constitution that discriminates and segregates the citizens based on race, will be in total contravention of the EU Charter, thus giving every single Cypriot Citizen the right to fight these illegalities or violations of HR by seeking a local remedy. Upon an unsatisfactory outcome, every Cypriot Citizen will be entitled to lodge their Case Vs Cyprus within the ECHR and ECJ.

This very charter also invalidates the current 1960 Cyprus Constitution as this very document breaks the EU Charter on HR by segregating Cypriot Citizen's on the basis of race. Political rights are afforded to racially defined communities thus making the document illegal.

This thread is the first of the EU Charter Series of topics that the Cyprus Solution must be based on!

My dear fellow, if all this was accepted by all concerned, where were they when RoC attempted to drive the TCs out of Cyprus. Because where ever they were, they can go back there again.
See what this individual suffered in the hands of your beloved RoC.

Ordered out after 26 years
By Stefanos Evripidou

Egyptian man stunned by Migration Department’s treatment

THE MIGRATION Department has told a 60-year-old man to leave Cyprus “at once” or else face deportation after spending the last 26 years living on the island.

The man, who receives disability benefits, says he wants nothing more than to live out his life in peace and quiet. He cannot understand why the authorities refused him citizenship and a residence permit, instead keeping him as a “visitor” for decades and now threatening to kick him out “like a dog”.

Mohamed Yousry arrived in Cyprus from Egypt in 1983, after working as an electrician on Greek merchant ships. He has lived here ever since. In 1985, he married a Cypriot woman and the two opened up a tavern in Nicosia. He also helped out his wife’s family in the fields, where he had an accident on a tractor, requiring three operations on his leg.

The two lived together as a married couple for ten years before he applied at the Migration Department for citizenship in 1995.

“Mr (name supplied) asked for £5,000 to give me citizenship but we refused. After all, I was married for so long and it was my right.”

According to migrant support group KISA representative Doros Polycarpou, authorities are obliged to give citizenship to the spouse of a Cypriot after five years.

Since 1995, Yousry never received a reply to his first citizenship application. As such, he was forced to continue living and working on a “visitor” status, which had to be renewed each year.

Polycarpou noted that as a “visitor”, a foreign resident is not formally allowed to work though the authorities tend to turn a blind eye when it involves the wife or husband of a Cypriot.

“But the law does not provide any real status for someone married to a Cypriot. Even now, there is this gap in the law,” said the KISA head.

In 1997, his wife sought a divorce, following pressure from her family.

Yousry said, “I never wanted trouble. So I agreed.”

Having given up his share of the business and all other interests to his ex-wife and the Egyptian sought work in the security sector as a guard. His options were limited on account of his bad leg. Although, the authorities failed to give him any form of permanent residence in Cyprus, Yousry continued to work, paying full social insurance contributions and waiting for a reply to his 1995 application.

In 2003, he chose to apply for naturalisation again. After losing his file twice, Migration finally responded to his application five years later, on May 26, 2008.

The answer was “no” with the reasoning that he hadn’t spent seven years in total on the island (he had actually spent 25) and he hadn’t been continuously legal on the island for a year before his application.

Again, this was through no fault of his own as he had applied for citizenship in 1995 and was legally entitled to get it.

“They didn’t examine his case since 1995 because they couldn’t reject him. They made him reapply in 2003 because with his new application he lost his original rights as he had no residence permit and was no longer married to his wife,” said Polycarpou.

In 2008, Migration finally gave him a one-year residence permit, after years of living in limbo.

This finally allowed him to leave the country and visit Egypt for the first time in 14 years. In order to renew the permit, they demanded he supply an employment contract and proof of adequate funding. But his employer refused to provide a contract, since he is now working part-time, after suffering a heart attack and stroke.

“How can he get an employment contract when he’s on a disabled pension?” asked Polycarpou.

Apart from the work benefit, Yousry has no access to any medical or other benefits, since he does not have clear legal status and pays all bills himself.

KISA referred his case to the Interior Minister, who sought an explanation from Migration on August 25, 2008. After failing to get a response, the Ministry sent a reminder to Migration on November 6, 2008, and then a second reminder on January 29, 2009. Still, no response from Migration.

However, on July 1, Yousry received a letter from Migration dated June 18, which told him his application to renew his residence permit was rejected as he “did not submit proof of adequate funds” while his application for citizenship was rejected.

The letter written on behalf of Migration Director Anny Shakalli, added, “you are hereby requested to make the necessary arrangements to depart from the Republic at once (sic) otherwise measures will be taken for your departure”.

“I don’t understand. Twenty-six years and you cannot have your peace in a country. And then they send him a letter saying leave “at once”. What is he a dog?” said Polycarpou.

“After 26 continuous years in Cyprus, let him live in safety with access to all rights afforded to long-term residents,” he added.

The soft-spoken 60-year-old insisted he wanted to live a quiet life in Cyprus.

“I have waited and waited and got nothing. I have a good character. I work as much as I can with my health problems. I have ID, driving licence, never went to court. I just want a quite life.

“I don’t want to renew permit every year. I have no real family in Egypt. Everyone went their own path. I want to continue living here and leave and come back. I’m a good man and just want to live a quiet life,” said Yousry.



Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009

[YFred]

Yes, a wise post from the brother from the Far West.

I think that part of the above and other matters are what our Pres X refers to when he says a settlement must be based on what he has called "European Principles".

It's a wise approach cos anything else, any derogations, are inherently undemocratic and further, unstable and challengeable in the EU courts.

Now Pres X says the settlement must be BASED on EU principles, call me pedant but that leaves too much room for interpretation for my liking. I'd like to hear him add entirely or exclusively or totally to this word "based".

Billy boy where have you been? They do use "basic", instead of any of the others you prefer. In my language when it says basic it means basic.

[Paphitis]

Y-Fred wrote:

My dear fellow, if all this was accepted by all concerned, where were they when RoC attempted to drive the TCs out of Cyprus. Because where ever they were, they can go back there again.
See what this individual suffered in the hands of your beloved RoC.

Y-Fred,

The EU Charter was adopted as a variation of The International Declaration on Human Rights in 1948. This declaration is universally accepted by ALL UN members. Furthermore, the EU Charter is accepted and ratified by ALL 27 EU members. If Turkey is to become a full member of the EU in the future, it too will need to ratify ALL the Articles of the EU charter. It is compulsory.

The TCs and GCs are obliged to develop a new Cyprus constitution which encompasses all these articles respecting the Human Rights of ALL Cypriot citizens as EQUALS. They are in a similar situation as the Founding Fathers that developed the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. There can NEVER be any derogations from this charter, because the EU will not allow it, the GCs will not vote for it as signatories to this charter, and because any derogation will effectively render this constitution illegal within the framework of EU law. The citizens will have a right to challenge any derogations within the local court system, which would no doubt hand down an unsatisfactory deliberation within the EU charter framework since the very constitution is flawed. This then opens the floodgates for cases to be lodged within the ECHR and then finally to the ECJ.

Now imagine if 100,000 Cypriots lodge HR cases within the ECHR for violations against Article 1 of the EU charter. The Cyprot legal system will be inundated with HR cases pertaining to this article, thus completely blocking the Cypriot Judicial Courts with HR violations. The ECHR will be inundated in due course, and Cyprus will experience a new Constitutional crises bringing the nation to its knees.

But what choice do Cypriots have if their Article 1 Human Rights with regards to their Human Dignity are violated by affording political rights to communities thus favouring a small minority at the expense of the majority who's Human and Political rights are watered down or discriminated against due to race?

Also, the example you site about an Egyptian Illegal Immigrant to Cyprus, who was living on the island on and off for 25 years is fundamentally flawed, and does not come under the EU charter because he is not an EU citizen. He also divorced his Greek Cypriot wife and with that he divorced his right to citizenship. Such cases are in every single country, and whilst such scenarios are harsh, each sovereign country does have the right to refuse permanent residency, work permits and citizenship to persons who don't meet the criteria. After all legal avenues are exhausted, then the individual is deported.

Australia, by contrast to Cyprus, has much harsher and more effective laws against illegal immigrants, and for this very reason we have much reduced crime, and social issues when compared to every other EU nation. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that!

But this has absolutely nothing to do with the EUCharter at all, and quite frankly I have no idea what you are on about.

Polycarpou noted that as a “visitor”, a foreign resident is not formally allowed to work though the authorities tend to turn a blind eye when it involves the wife or husband of a Cypriot.

“But the law does not provide any real status for someone married to a Cypriot. Even now, there is this gap in the law,” said the KISA head.

In 1997, his wife sought a divorce, following pressure from her family.

So as you can see, he did not even have the right of residency in Cyprus, and as a visitor was not even allowed to work on the island.

His application was doomed for failure from the outset. If he was still married to his GC wife, then he would have had some chance.

[Kikapu]

Yes, a wise post from the brother from the Far West.

I think that part of the above and other matters are what our Pres X refers to when he says a settlement must be based on what he has called "European Principles".

It's a wise approach cos anything else, any derogations, are inherently undemocratic and further, unstable and challengeable in the EU courts.

Now Pres X says the settlement must be BASED on EU principles, call me pedant but that leaves too much room for interpretation for my liking. I'd like to hear him add entirely or exclusively or totally to this word "based".

Billy boy where have you been? They do use "basic", instead of any of the others you prefer. In my language when it says basic it means basic.

I did not read anything in the above post by BC that states "basic" to anything. The word used was "BASED", so get it right for once and stop interpreting basic English language words to mean anything other than what it actually means.

Just because such basic fundamentals of Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws are broken by individuals in all countries, does not mean that such basic principles should not become the cornerstone of any country's society, principles in law and individuals rights . It is people like you with 16th century mentality who at every turn sneer at these basic principle for Cyprus, just because the TCs are a minority and are afraid that they will not have undemocratic advantages they had in the 1960 agreements where others Human Rights were violated in institutionalised way. You sneer at these basic principle also, just because it threatens all ill gotten gains from the "Spoils of War" in the north. Rather than fighting to solidify these basic principles for all citizens of Cyprus where it will strengthened the future for all Cypriots, specially to the numerical minorities such as the TCs and others, you want to tear them down with your Ottoman style mentality by constantly sneering at them.

It is the like of all the Fascists on this forum who sneer at such basic principles and slowly but surely I will be forced to add you as a Fascist if you pursue your discrimination towards these basic principles by trying deny them to Cypriots, which you will not succeed by the way, specially from a person who enjoys such rights living in the UK. Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.??

These basic principles are not the same as a Box of Chocolates, where you get to choose what you like and refuse the rest. If that is your idea of Democracy and Human Rights, then piss off to any Islamic nations in the world and live with them and with their kind of shady democracies and lets see how you will like it.! My guess is, you will not, or else you would be already gone by now.................hypocrite.!!

Polycarpou noted that as a “visitor”, a foreign resident is not formally allowed to work though the authorities tend to turn a blind eye when it involves the wife or husband of a Cypriot.

“But the law does not provide any real status for someone married to a Cypriot. Even now, there is this gap in the law,” said the KISA head.

The above quote from you will apply to ALL the settlers, so you better get ready to wave goodbye to all of them, except for the ones that the RoC will allow to stay, since they are ALL "visitors" to Cyprus, or in plain English, Illegal Aliens.!

[bill cobbett]

Yes, quite, there's no "pick 'n' mix" when it comes to the usual human rights we have, as of right, in EU, US and elsewhere. They come as a complete package and there's no such thing as a qualified human right, half a human right.

I particularly liked K's appraisal of rights as they apply to minority groups. The total package of rights is a birthright of all of us but of special and particular value to minorities and bear in mind that sometimes and in some places we may all of us be in some kind of minority group.

We may be gay or lesbian, we may be minority black, we may be children of unmarried parents, we may be tissies in CY, we may be orthodox grissies in a Western Church EU, we may be immigrant CYs in London or Oz etc etc

No matter who we are, we know that in this modern, cosmopolitan world that if our rights are violated we have recourse to the courts.

As well as all the above our tissy friends will know that the majority CY comm are at a settlement table where they have already agreed to a northern zone with local level powers. I personally do not like this but it's been agreed and this zonal arrangement should be the only special privelege.

[Viewpoint]

Yes, a wise post from the brother from the Far West.

I think that part of the above and other matters are what our Pres X refers to when he says a settlement must be based on what he has called "European Principles".

It's a wise approach cos anything else, any derogations, are inherently undemocratic and further, unstable and challengeable in the EU courts.

Now Pres X says the settlement must be BASED on EU principles, call me pedant but that leaves too much room for interpretation for my liking. I'd like to hear him add entirely or exclusively or totally to this word "based".

Billy boy where have you been? They do use "basic", instead of any of the others you prefer. In my language when it says basic it means basic.

I did not read anything in the above post by BC that states "basic" to anything. The word used was "BASED", so get it right for once and stop interpreting basic English language words to mean anything other than what it actually means.

Just because such basic fundamentals of Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws are broken by individuals in all countries, does not mean that such basic principles should not become the cornerstone of any country's society, principles in law and individuals rights . It is people like you with 16th century mentality who at every turn sneer at these basic principle for Cyprus, just because the TCs are a minority and are afraid that they will not have undemocratic advantages they had in the 1960 agreements where others Human Rights were violated in institutionalised way. You sneer at these basic principle also, just because it threatens all ill gotten gains from the "Spoils of War" in the north. Rather than fighting to solidify these basic principles for all citizens of Cyprus where it will strengthened the future for all Cypriots, specially to the numerical minorities such as the TCs and others, you want to tear them down with your Ottoman style mentality by constantly sneering at them.

It is the like of all the Fascists on this forum who sneer at such basic principles and slowly but surely I will be forced to add you as a Fascist if you pursue your discrimination towards these basic principles by trying deny them to Cypriots, which you will not succeed by the way, specially from a person who enjoys such rights living in the UK. Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.??

These basic principles are not the same as a Box of Chocolates, where you get to choose what you like and refuse the rest. If that is your idea of Democracy and Human Rights, then piss off to any Islamic nations in the world and live with them and with their kind of shady democracies and lets see how you will like it.! My guess is, you will not, or else you would be already gone by now.................hypocrite.!!

Polycarpou noted that as a “visitor”, a foreign resident is not formally allowed to work though the authorities tend to turn a blind eye when it involves the wife or husband of a Cypriot.

“But the law does not provide any real status for someone married to a Cypriot. Even now, there is this gap in the law,” said the KISA head.

The above quote from you will apply to ALL the settlers, so you better get ready to wave goodbye to all of them, except for the ones that the RoC will allow to stay, since they are ALL "visitors" to Cyprus, or in plain English, Illegal Aliens.!

Again I have to remind you that it is not the knife of democracy that is the problem but the corrupt GC surgeon who weilds that knife at the throat of the TC minority on the surgery table that makes us fight for survival.

[Kikapu]

Yes, a wise post from the brother from the Far West.

I think that part of the above and other matters are what our Pres X refers to when he says a settlement must be based on what he has called "European Principles".

It's a wise approach cos anything else, any derogations, are inherently undemocratic and further, unstable and challengeable in the EU courts.

Now Pres X says the settlement must be BASED on EU principles, call me pedant but that leaves too much room for interpretation for my liking. I'd like to hear him add entirely or exclusively or totally to this word "based".

Billy boy where have you been? They do use "basic", instead of any of the others you prefer. In my language when it says basic it means basic.

I did not read anything in the above post by BC that states "basic" to anything. The word used was "BASED", so get it right for once and stop interpreting basic English language words to mean anything other than what it actually means.

Just because such basic fundamentals of Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws are broken by individuals in all countries, does not mean that such basic principles should not become the cornerstone of any country's society, principles in law and individuals rights . It is people like you with 16th century mentality who at every turn sneer at these basic principle for Cyprus, just because the TCs are a minority and are afraid that they will not have undemocratic advantages they had in the 1960 agreements where others Human Rights were violated in institutionalised way. You sneer at these basic principle also, just because it threatens all ill gotten gains from the "Spoils of War" in the north. Rather than fighting to solidify these basic principles for all citizens of Cyprus where it will strengthened the future for all Cypriots, specially to the numerical minorities such as the TCs and others, you want to tear them down with your Ottoman style mentality by constantly sneering at them.

It is the like of all the Fascists on this forum who sneer at such basic principles and slowly but surely I will be forced to add you as a Fascist if you pursue your discrimination towards these basic principles by trying deny them to Cypriots, which you will not succeed by the way, specially from a person who enjoys such rights living in the UK. Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.??

These basic principles are not the same as a Box of Chocolates, where you get to choose what you like and refuse the rest. If that is your idea of Democracy and Human Rights, then piss off to any Islamic nations in the world and live with them and with their kind of shady democracies and lets see how you will like it.! My guess is, you will not, or else you would be already gone by now.................hypocrite.!!

Polycarpou noted that as a “visitor”, a foreign resident is not formally allowed to work though the authorities tend to turn a blind eye when it involves the wife or husband of a Cypriot.

“But the law does not provide any real status for someone married to a Cypriot. Even now, there is this gap in the law,” said the KISA head.

The above quote from you will apply to ALL the settlers, so you better get ready to wave goodbye to all of them, except for the ones that the RoC will allow to stay, since they are ALL "visitors" to Cyprus, or in plain English, Illegal Aliens.!

Again I have to remind you that it is not the knife of democracy that is the problem but the corrupt GC surgeon who weilds that knife at the throat of the TC minority on the surgery table that makes us fight for survival.

Sorry, such meaningless slogans is pointless, because every nation who practices Democracy also have minorities and they seem to manage just fine. Stop making excuses before you have even tried it out that it won't work. BBF is what's on offer and BBF is what you will get, but Democratically and not the AP crap. I have given you a very clear method that it can work, as long as you return 50% of the north back to the GC's, or, form political parties along political ideology rather than ethnic lines if you really want a unified Cyprus, but we all know you want partition, therefore you can make all the excuses you want, because it is free. As ma old girlfriend use to say, "excuses are like assholes, that everyone has one". In your case, you have many............................................excuses that is.!

[Viewpoint]

Yes, a wise post from the brother from the Far West.

I think that part of the above and other matters are what our Pres X refers to when he says a settlement must be based on what he has called "European Principles".

It's a wise approach cos anything else, any derogations, are inherently undemocratic and further, unstable and challengeable in the EU courts.

Now Pres X says the settlement must be BASED on EU principles, call me pedant but that leaves too much room for interpretation for my liking. I'd like to hear him add entirely or exclusively or totally to this word "based".

Billy boy where have you been? They do use "basic", instead of any of the others you prefer. In my language when it says basic it means basic.

I did not read anything in the above post by BC that states "basic" to anything. The word used was "BASED", so get it right for once and stop interpreting basic English language words to mean anything other than what it actually means.

Just because such basic fundamentals of Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws are broken by individuals in all countries, does not mean that such basic principles should not become the cornerstone of any country's society, principles in law and individuals rights . It is people like you with 16th century mentality who at every turn sneer at these basic principle for Cyprus, just because the TCs are a minority and are afraid that they will not have undemocratic advantages they had in the 1960 agreements where others Human Rights were violated in institutionalised way. You sneer at these basic principle also, just because it threatens all ill gotten gains from the "Spoils of War" in the north. Rather than fighting to solidify these basic principles for all citizens of Cyprus where it will strengthened the future for all Cypriots, specially to the numerical minorities such as the TCs and others, you want to tear them down with your Ottoman style mentality by constantly sneering at them.

It is the like of all the Fascists on this forum who sneer at such basic principles and slowly but surely I will be forced to add you as a Fascist if you pursue your discrimination towards these basic principles by trying deny them to Cypriots, which you will not succeed by the way, specially from a person who enjoys such rights living in the UK. Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.??

These basic principles are not the same as a Box of Chocolates, where you get to choose what you like and refuse the rest. If that is your idea of Democracy and Human Rights, then piss off to any Islamic nations in the world and live with them and with their kind of shady democracies and lets see how you will like it.! My guess is, you will not, or else you would be already gone by now.................hypocrite.!!

Polycarpou noted that as a “visitor”, a foreign resident is not formally allowed to work though the authorities tend to turn a blind eye when it involves the wife or husband of a Cypriot.

“But the law does not provide any real status for someone married to a Cypriot. Even now, there is this gap in the law,” said the KISA head.

The above quote from you will apply to ALL the settlers, so you better get ready to wave goodbye to all of them, except for the ones that the RoC will allow to stay, since they are ALL "visitors" to Cyprus, or in plain English, Illegal Aliens.!

Again I have to remind you that it is not the knife of democracy that is the problem but the corrupt GC surgeon who weilds that knife at the throat of the TC minority on the surgery table that makes us fight for survival.

Sorry, such meaningless slogans is pointless, because every nation who practices Democracy also have minorities and they seem to manage just fine. Stop making excuses before you have even tried it out that it won't work. BBF is what's on offer and BBF is what you will get, but Democratically and not the AP crap. I have given you a very clear method that it can work, as long as you return 50% of the north back to the GC's, or, form political parties along political ideology rather than ethnic lines if you really want a unified Cyprus, but we all know you want partition, therefore you can make all the excuses you want, because it is free. As ma old girlfriend use to say, "excuses are like assholes, that everyone has one". In your case, you have many............................................excuses that is.!

Deal with the GC surgeon and stop making excuses for him to use the knife as he wishes, he has a very bad record for sucessful operations.