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[Sotos]

Whether or not it's welcome in the island it has provided the peace environment in the island since 1974.

If Turkey hadn’t been constantly arming and encouraging the 18% TC minority to oppose and confront the overwhelming majority of GCs, would there still be a need for a “peace operation” in July 74?

I wonder if your prestigious Turkish education ever made you think about that or did it go over your fez?

This is a single-sided view imposed on you dude. Every nation thinks that they are the innocent and other party is the guilty one. So you think that Greece has never armed anybody against Turks! One single response to you: "Bravo! on your perception"

Not according to the Secretary-General of the UN who in 1965 summed up the official Turkish Cypriot policy with...

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots"

UN document S/6426.

This is something everyone knows about the history of Cyprus, but why do you think? Did they suddenly come up with this idea?
If you go back more you will find the answer

Go back more and you will find they were used to screw us for 300 years. They wanted to screw us some more like they were used to.

[YFred]

Whether or not it's welcome in the island it has provided the peace environment in the island since 1974.

If Turkey hadn’t been constantly arming and encouraging the 18% TC minority to oppose and confront the overwhelming majority of GCs, would there still be a need for a “peace operation” in July 74?

I wonder if your prestigious Turkish education ever made you think about that or did it go over your fez?

This is a single-sided view imposed on you dude. Every nation thinks that they are the innocent and other party is the guilty one. So you think that Greece has never armed anybody against Turks! One single response to you: "Bravo! on your perception"

Not according to the Secretary-General of the UN who in 1965 summed up the official Turkish Cypriot policy with...

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots"

UN document S/6426.

Yes GR. How right you and the UN are. We forced ourselves to sit in the hot busses in the middle of the summer for six hours and forced your police to get into our busses and search us. Even the road blocks you set up was our request. Have you always been like that or is it a recent phenomenon you are suffering from. I wonder if there is a cure for it.

[Oracle]

These two communities are definitely not ready to unite now. I am so sorry for all...

"These two communities ..."; if the second "community" includes Turks ... then we will never unite, quite right. The Turks will all go back to turkey upon a just and fair settlement.

The Cypriots will be united, as they have always been, and the stolen lands will be returned to the rightful owners. Do not assume any colonising Turks will be accepted into Cyprus-EU by this method ...

No, I meant TC's...

Then the "TCs" will NOT be considered as another "community" in a united Cyprus .. they will be like the rest of us - just Cypriots. The remaining Turks living in the north will have to de-colonise and go back to Turkey!

This is not Canada, this is Cyprus. There are definitely two communities with different religions, traditions and taboos. Here is an easy example: How many married couples; TC and GC, are there in this island?
The answer to this question very well explains why you are not ready to live together. You are separated in minds not in pieces of land...

However, I support your view although it doesn't look feasible for now

You do not seem to understand what a present-day fair and just solution will involve.

Politically there will be ONE community of Cypriots ... As for all the different ethnicities living their cultures, that is part and parcel of a modern multicultural society where all are free to exercise their whims and desires; but politically, all are of one citizenship, equal and in Cyprus - termed CYPRIOT!

[Oracle]

Already given dude. In open and civilized communities people don't look for a match of race or religion when getting married. This proves that they are one community with different races or religions as is in Canada. You should first manage this, then the unification will follow and all other problems; such as property issue, Turkish army etc, will definitely be resolved themselves.

You= TC's and GC's.
Even when writing here, I have to be careful about what I write as you see. If you were really one single community of Cypriots there would be no need to use TCs or GCs.

The Human Race is made up of two types of people ... those who want to procreate with those who look most like them and those who want to procreate with those who look least like them (gradations in between).

This has been selected for over at least hundreds of thousands of years and keeps the gene pools both healthy and variable for improved natural selection ...

This applies to all "communities" and not just GCs and TCs; who are no more different or no more similar than any other groups of people which have interacted over a few centuries, more so than they did 100,000 years ago ... I hope you understand this concept!

(I have left some obvious referrals/explanations out, since you claim to be an "intellectual".)

[74LB]

Where was your legal and legitimate government and their implementation of human rights when Aysozomeno was surrounded by the relatives of certain members on this forum after 63 about to be slaughtered when Lurucadis went to their rescue. Was TMT in Aysozomeno Bodamya or Dali encouraging the TCs to leave their land and move to Lurucina? Like hell it was.

It looks like mommy & daddy have been lying to you again...

“Next morning a band of 50 armed Turkish Cypriots arrived to escort the 200 survivors of Ayios Sozomenos to the nearest Turkish strongpoint at Louroujina, four miles away.”

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 34,00.html

They felt they would be killed and left everything behind and sought refuge where they could.

They left by their own volition AFTER the gunfight was over because somebody “encouraged” them to…

In the case of Aysozomeno they were surrounded about to be killed. How many houses are there in Aysozomeno now? Why were they flattened? is it covered under GC human rights?

For 45 year old abandoned mud houses they look pretty upright to me...

http://www.panoramio.com/user/823314/ta ... 0SOZOMENOS

Write to N Kizilyurek and ask him why his family moved from Bodamya to Lurucina after 63.

His story will most likely be like yours.... full of lies and deception!

Luckily, this TIME article is testimony of the facts by the first independent reporter on the scene.

Quit fibbing and making a fool of yourself Y-Fronts...

The full article, rather than snippets .........

CYPRUS Death at High Noon One sunny morning last week, a Land-Rover carrying seven Greek Cypriots bounced up the road to the tiny village of Ayios Sozomenos. Though only twelve miles distant from the capital city of Nicosia, the village is centuries away in time. To reach it, one travels four miles along a rutted road off the main asphalt highway and then some two miles over goat trails before the cluster of tile-roofed houses is dis covered crowded between a dry watercourse and a steep mesa of grey rock.

The Greeks say the men in the Land-Rover had intended to turn on a water pump that serves a nearby town, but were ambushed by Turkish Cypriots hidden in the dry riverbed. The Turks charge that the men in the Land-Rover opened fire on the village shepherds, who replied with their shotguns. With two dead and two wounded, the Land-Rover raced out of range, called for help. Greek Cypriots, armed with a variety of weapons, poured from neighboring villages. By noon they had surrounded Ayios Sozomenos and begun a battle that raged for five hours. At last, British troops, assigned the nearly impossible task of keeping the peace between the island's 500,000 Greek and 100,000 Turkish Cypriots, arrived in sufficient force to compel a ceasefire.

Pitchfork Charge. TIME Correspondent Robert Ball watched the fighting from a nearby hillside, then entered the village to see the grisly results. His report: "The bitterest fighting was at the western edge of the village, where the attacking Greeks had the cover of gnarled olive trees. In one mud-brick hut, where nine Turks had taken refuge, a window was blasted by a bazooka-type rocket, and the second floor literally sieved with bullet holes. In desperation, one Turkish shepherd tried to flee to the riverbed, but was cut down a few feet from the door. Another grabbed a pitchfork, made a futile, one-man assault on the Greek position, and was mowed down at once.

"Altogether the Turks lost seven dead and several wounded, but they gave a good account of themselves with their shotguns, killing a total of six of the better-armed Greeks and wounding eleven. Next morning a band of 50 armed Turkish Cypriots arrived to escort the 200 survivors of Ayios Sozomenos to the nearest Turkish strongpoint at Louroujina, four miles away. As the villagers moved silently off with their flocks of sheep and few cattle, one member of the Turkish rescue column pleaded with a British lieutenant, 'Please take the dead to Louroujina. We came to save the living. If you do not take the dead, they will be eaten by dogs.' "

[Alpeis]

Let's take it from the ice age so that we can make better reasonings. The more I am trying to focus on today's reality the more you open the pages of history which even goes back to 300 years ago.

Since you all better know the history, can anyone please explain me on which mountain it was written ENOSIS?

[Alpeis]

Now, Turkish Cypriots have the TRNC flag on the mountain as a response to ENOSIS. At the time it was so annoying for them to see it on the mountain; however, it's funny that it's their turn now.

[kurupetos]

Let's take it from the ice age so that we can make better reasonings. The more I am trying to focus on today's reality the more you open the pages of history which even goes back to 300 years ago.

Since you all better know the history, can anyone please explain me on which mountain it was written ENOSIS?

Enosis died in 1960 with the Zurich-London agreements for an independent RoC.

The partitionist plans of Turkey/"TRNC" are still alive (thank you for confirming that )

It's a matter of tenses!

[Get Real!]

Now, Turkish Cypriots have the TRNC flag on the mountain as a response to ENOSIS. At the time it was so annoying for them to see it on the mountain; however, it's funny that it's their turn now.

Funny or STUPID, in the 21st century, or 40-50 years after all the fuss when they are supposedly participating in a solution process...

Your sense of judgment stinks!

[Oracle]

Alpeis is an anti-intellectual. He has decided (much like the Peoples of the Middle Ages) that he has to brainwash us into accepting his doctrine .... that he thinks it's better for us to accept his segregationist view than to carry on improving and questioning, as modern day Humans, wishing to restore Law and Order ...

He would have argued that the Earth is FLAT because that is how it LOOKS!

He would have argued that the Sun goes round the Earth ... because that is how it LOOKS ...

He is incapable of adapting ... What a Turk!