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[Paphitis]

The sentiments TCs face in Turkey reflect pretty much what I dealt with when I moved to Greece in 1975, and I am half Greek (mother's side).

Things changed though when Cypriots proved that they had the balls to deal with adversity after 1974. The mainland Greeks had to admit that in a few years the Cypriots had saved their economy, regained their production, and surpassed Greece in terms of GNP per capita etc. Finally the EU accession process which Cyprus fulfilled ahead of schedule and the subsuequent adaptation to Europe proved that Cyprus were every bit as capapble as Greece.

The above should serve as a guide to TCs. Turkey is not in Cyprus to save you anymore than Greece was about to save the GCs in 1974. As long as you fall prey to the false notion that without Turkey you are insecure you are providing your oppressors with their most useful tool to keep you under their thumb.

If Turkey had the TCs welfare in mind they would do what Kikapu very aptly mentions above- they would campaign to make TC goods available to the market of 70 million that they so often mention to foreigners. The joke is that mainland Greek businesses have more access to the 70 million market than TCs have. This should tell you something, but No, you insist that you cannot do without them even when they are near to making you extinct in your own country. What can anyone say!

Nice comments. However, I think Turkish Cypriots are happy with what they have. They are already financially supported by Turkey in return for nothing. They really don't need to have access to foreign markets including Turkey. The system works very well as long as money flows to North Cyprus from Turkey.

On the other hand the island is in peace since 1974. To me, this island should never unite until people (sorry but especially Greek) are ready to live together. Turkish military should also leave here in any case. However, it doesn't seem viable with today's conditions.

I myself experience harsh difficulties owing to Greek hate towards Turkish. Nobody knows what I suffer. :..(

There is no "Greek hate" towards the TCs. There is a big hatred towards the occupation army, and the CT cronies who support this occupation and also towards the settlers that have no right to be in Cyprus.

Since you are just a Turkish dropout, don't come here telling us what you know about Cyprus, because quite clearly you don't know much, and you don't understand the TCs at all. You don't know the amount of suffering from GC refugees who can be excused for being angry, or the TCs that are pissed off with being hand fed by Turkey at the expense of their freedom.

The only thing you have proven is the FACT that Turkey does not care about the TCs. Turkey has successfully brainwashed most TCs with fear, so that it can further its strategic and military interests on Cyprus. It is as simple as that.

People like you are destroying them, and Cyprus, so get out!

There is no Greek hate towards Turkish citizens??? What does TC stand for btw? Turkish Cypriots I assume. I meant Turkish citizens not Turkish Cypriots... No civilian can be held responsible for what an army did. But you Greeks keep blaming us as a whole of the actions taken by our government and army.
I couldn't understand why people like me are destroying them as well. It's hard to understand your points...

On the other hand, I share the grieves of people who suffered a lot at the time due to the polarization, terror and war respectively. Finally in peace they are... Have you ever watched Atilla? If you did so, have you ever watched a documentary showing the grieves of Turkish Cypriots?

We couldn't give a stuff about Turkey if it kept its army within its own borders or if it suddenly removed its killers from Cyprus.

Turkey does not belong in Cyprus and as long as it has a footprint on our island, and prevents people from freely enjoying their homes, and holds our island hostage, there will always be anger and hatred. There are many TCs that hate Turkey and its Army as well, and that should tell you that Turkey is not welcome here.

You have also told us that Turks hate TCs as well, so I guess the feeling is mutual.

[Alpeis]

No civilian can be held responsible for what an army did. But you Greeks keep blaming us as a whole of the actions taken by our government and army.

I don't exactly agree with that. No country (especially one which claims to be democratic) can illegally occupy part of another sovereign country for 35 years without any support from its own citizens. Clearly many (most?) Turks support the crimes of Turkey against Cyprus, and those that do share the responsibility for the crimes committed.

Do you think everyone holds German people responsible for what Hitler did at the past?!?
And you also haven't answered my questions regarding whether you watched the Greek and Turkish documentaries based on 74 incidents and before

[Paphitis]

No civilian can be held responsible for what an army did. But you Greeks keep blaming us as a whole of the actions taken by our government and army.

I don't exactly agree with that. No country (especially one which claims to be democratic) can illegally occupy part of another sovereign country for 35 years without any support from its own citizens. Clearly many (most?) Turks support the crimes of Turkey against Cyprus, and those that do share the responsibility for the crimes committed.

Do you think everyone holds German people responsible for what Hitler did at the past?!?
And you also haven't answered my questions regarding whether you watched the Greek and Turkish documentaries based on 74 incidents and before

No TC was hurt immediately prior to the Coup, but that did not stop Turkey using this as a pretext to invade.

The whole was just an American set up to divide the island.

You have no idea what your talking about! This is what happens when you listen to Turkish cab drivers.

[Alpeis]

The sentiments TCs face in Turkey reflect pretty much what I dealt with when I moved to Greece in 1975, and I am half Greek (mother's side).

Things changed though when Cypriots proved that they had the balls to deal with adversity after 1974. The mainland Greeks had to admit that in a few years the Cypriots had saved their economy, regained their production, and surpassed Greece in terms of GNP per capita etc. Finally the EU accession process which Cyprus fulfilled ahead of schedule and the subsuequent adaptation to Europe proved that Cyprus were every bit as capapble as Greece.

The above should serve as a guide to TCs. Turkey is not in Cyprus to save you anymore than Greece was about to save the GCs in 1974. As long as you fall prey to the false notion that without Turkey you are insecure you are providing your oppressors with their most useful tool to keep you under their thumb.

If Turkey had the TCs welfare in mind they would do what Kikapu very aptly mentions above- they would campaign to make TC goods available to the market of 70 million that they so often mention to foreigners. The joke is that mainland Greek businesses have more access to the 70 million market than TCs have. This should tell you something, but No, you insist that you cannot do without them even when they are near to making you extinct in your own country. What can anyone say!

Nice comments. However, I think Turkish Cypriots are happy with what they have. They are already financially supported by Turkey in return for nothing. They really don't need to have access to foreign markets including Turkey. The system works very well as long as money flows to North Cyprus from Turkey.

On the other hand the island is in peace since 1974. To me, this island should never unite until people (sorry but especially Greek) are ready to live together. Turkish military should also leave here in any case. However, it doesn't seem viable with today's conditions.

I myself experience harsh difficulties owing to Greek hate towards Turkish. Nobody knows what I suffer. :..(

There is no "Greek hate" towards the TCs. There is a big hatred towards the occupation army, and the CT cronies who support this occupation and also towards the settlers that have no right to be in Cyprus.

Since you are just a Turkish dropout, don't come here telling us what you know about Cyprus, because quite clearly you don't know much, and you don't understand the TCs at all. You don't know the amount of suffering from GC refugees who can be excused for being angry, or the TCs that are pissed off with being hand fed by Turkey at the expense of their freedom.

The only thing you have proven is the FACT that Turkey does not care about the TCs. Turkey has successfully brainwashed most TCs with fear, so that it can further its strategic and military interests on Cyprus. It is as simple as that.

People like you are destroying them, and Cyprus, so get out!

There is no Greek hate towards Turkish citizens??? What does TC stand for btw? Turkish Cypriots I assume. I meant Turkish citizens not Turkish Cypriots... No civilian can be held responsible for what an army did. But you Greeks keep blaming us as a whole of the actions taken by our government and army.
I couldn't understand why people like me are destroying them as well. It's hard to understand your points...

On the other hand, I share the grieves of people who suffered a lot at the time due to the polarization, terror and war respectively. Finally in peace they are... Have you ever watched Atilla? If you did so, have you ever watched a documentary showing the grieves of Turkish Cypriots?

We couldn't give a stuff about Turkey if it kept its army within its own borders or if it suddenly removed its killers from Cyprus.

Turkey does not belong in Cyprus and as long as it has a footprint on our island, and prevents people from freely enjoying their homes, and holds our island hostage, there will always be anger and hatred. There are many TCs that hate Turkey and its Army as well, and that should tell you that Turkey is not welcome here.

You have also told us that Turks hate TCs as well, so I guess the feeling is mutual.

Whether or not it's welcome in the island it has provided the peace environment in the island since 1974. I assure you, you wouldn't enjoy terror and losing your parents, relatives or friends... Nobody would enjoy it. At least you are in peace now no matter what has happened in the past. You should focus on peace, not property issues or any other materialistic issues. We have only one life to live and I believe everybody has the equal right to live in peace. I truly hope similar things would never happen again here or elsewhere around the world...

[Paphitis]

The sentiments TCs face in Turkey reflect pretty much what I dealt with when I moved to Greece in 1975, and I am half Greek (mother's side).

Things changed though when Cypriots proved that they had the balls to deal with adversity after 1974. The mainland Greeks had to admit that in a few years the Cypriots had saved their economy, regained their production, and surpassed Greece in terms of GNP per capita etc. Finally the EU accession process which Cyprus fulfilled ahead of schedule and the subsuequent adaptation to Europe proved that Cyprus were every bit as capapble as Greece.

The above should serve as a guide to TCs. Turkey is not in Cyprus to save you anymore than Greece was about to save the GCs in 1974. As long as you fall prey to the false notion that without Turkey you are insecure you are providing your oppressors with their most useful tool to keep you under their thumb.

If Turkey had the TCs welfare in mind they would do what Kikapu very aptly mentions above- they would campaign to make TC goods available to the market of 70 million that they so often mention to foreigners. The joke is that mainland Greek businesses have more access to the 70 million market than TCs have. This should tell you something, but No, you insist that you cannot do without them even when they are near to making you extinct in your own country. What can anyone say!

Nice comments. However, I think Turkish Cypriots are happy with what they have. They are already financially supported by Turkey in return for nothing. They really don't need to have access to foreign markets including Turkey. The system works very well as long as money flows to North Cyprus from Turkey.

On the other hand the island is in peace since 1974. To me, this island should never unite until people (sorry but especially Greek) are ready to live together. Turkish military should also leave here in any case. However, it doesn't seem viable with today's conditions.

I myself experience harsh difficulties owing to Greek hate towards Turkish. Nobody knows what I suffer. :..(

There is no "Greek hate" towards the TCs. There is a big hatred towards the occupation army, and the CT cronies who support this occupation and also towards the settlers that have no right to be in Cyprus.

Since you are just a Turkish dropout, don't come here telling us what you know about Cyprus, because quite clearly you don't know much, and you don't understand the TCs at all. You don't know the amount of suffering from GC refugees who can be excused for being angry, or the TCs that are pissed off with being hand fed by Turkey at the expense of their freedom.

The only thing you have proven is the FACT that Turkey does not care about the TCs. Turkey has successfully brainwashed most TCs with fear, so that it can further its strategic and military interests on Cyprus. It is as simple as that.

People like you are destroying them, and Cyprus, so get out!

There is no Greek hate towards Turkish citizens??? What does TC stand for btw? Turkish Cypriots I assume. I meant Turkish citizens not Turkish Cypriots... No civilian can be held responsible for what an army did. But you Greeks keep blaming us as a whole of the actions taken by our government and army.
I couldn't understand why people like me are destroying them as well. It's hard to understand your points...

On the other hand, I share the grieves of people who suffered a lot at the time due to the polarization, terror and war respectively. Finally in peace they are... Have you ever watched Atilla? If you did so, have you ever watched a documentary showing the grieves of Turkish Cypriots?

We couldn't give a stuff about Turkey if it kept its army within its own borders or if it suddenly removed its killers from Cyprus.

Turkey does not belong in Cyprus and as long as it has a footprint on our island, and prevents people from freely enjoying their homes, and holds our island hostage, there will always be anger and hatred. There are many TCs that hate Turkey and its Army as well, and that should tell you that Turkey is not welcome here.

You have also told us that Turks hate TCs as well, so I guess the feeling is mutual.

Whether or not it's welcome in the island it has provided the peace environment in the island since 1974. I assure you, you wouldn't enjoy terror and losing your parents, relatives or friends... Nobody would enjoy it. At least you are in peace now no matter what has happened in the past. You should focus on peace, not property issues or any other materialistic issues. We have only one life to live and I believe everybody has the equal right to live in peace. I truly hope similar things would never happen again here or elsewhere around the world...

Peace is what we will have when you leave Cyprus. Our country is under occupation and any hatred towards Turkey is a by product of this. 200,000 GCs were ethnically cleansed from their towns and your invasion killed 10,000 GCs and you have the audacity to come here and tell us we now have peace.

I think you will find the TCs disagree with you and this is why they are abandoning Cyprus in their droves.

Your Army can get stuffed!

Peace will happen when everyone returns to their homes, until then we have WAR!

[Alpeis]

No civilian can be held responsible for what an army did. But you Greeks keep blaming us as a whole of the actions taken by our government and army.

I don't exactly agree with that. No country (especially one which claims to be democratic) can illegally occupy part of another sovereign country for 35 years without any support from its own citizens. Clearly many (most?) Turks support the crimes of Turkey against Cyprus, and those that do share the responsibility for the crimes committed.

Do you think everyone holds German people responsible for what Hitler did at the past?!?
And you also haven't answered my questions regarding whether you watched the Greek and Turkish documentaries based on 74 incidents and before

No TC was hurt immediately prior to the Coup, but that did not stop Turkey using this as a pretext to invade.

The whole was just an American set up to divide the island.

You have no idea what your talking about! This is what happens when you listen to Turkish cab drivers.

Ok, since you avoid answering I take it as you didn't watch any documentaries which demonstrates how people suffered at the time. Your comments related to cab drivers also support it. If you are not capable just attack so that you can blur the facts...

I am not trying to prove whether TC's were hurt or not, actually I am not trying to prove anything about your history. Besides, I do know very well what happened before and after the coup. That coup was a democratic move in your perspective whereas Turkish intervention to save TC's under the threat of new developments in Cyprus was not. It's easy to understand your perception. In any case you are the side whose rights have been violated all the time.

I prefer to stay out of history discussions because people only try to prove what they believe in blind. It is of no benefit to me as is to anybody else.

[Piratis]

No civilian can be held responsible for what an army did. But you Greeks keep blaming us as a whole of the actions taken by our government and army.

I don't exactly agree with that. No country (especially one which claims to be democratic) can illegally occupy part of another sovereign country for 35 years without any support from its own citizens. Clearly many (most?) Turks support the crimes of Turkey against Cyprus, and those that do share the responsibility for the crimes committed.

Do you think everyone holds German people responsible for what Hitler did at the past?!?
And you also haven't answered my questions regarding whether you watched the Greek and Turkish documentaries based on 74 incidents and before

In the case of Cyprus we are not talking about something that happened in the past, but about an illegality which continues to happen today.

And yes, the German people (many of them supported Hitler and his actions) shared the responsibility for the actions of their country and they suffered the consequences. Hitler would have no power at all without any support from the German population.

Later of course the Germans realized their mistake and denounced the actions of Hitler and the Nazis. Unfortunately it seems that most Turks continue to support the criminal actions of Turkey against Cyprus, and therefore they continue to share the responsibility for these illegal actions.

And yes, I watched many documentaries about 74 and before.

[Paphitis]

No civilian can be held responsible for what an army did. But you Greeks keep blaming us as a whole of the actions taken by our government and army.

I don't exactly agree with that. No country (especially one which claims to be democratic) can illegally occupy part of another sovereign country for 35 years without any support from its own citizens. Clearly many (most?) Turks support the crimes of Turkey against Cyprus, and those that do share the responsibility for the crimes committed.

Do you think everyone holds German people responsible for what Hitler did at the past?!?
And you also haven't answered my questions regarding whether you watched the Greek and Turkish documentaries based on 74 incidents and before

No TC was hurt immediately prior to the Coup, but that did not stop Turkey using this as a pretext to invade.

The whole was just an American set up to divide the island.

You have no idea what your talking about! This is what happens when you listen to Turkish cab drivers.

Ok, since you avoid answering I take it as you didn't watch any documentaries which demonstrates how people suffered at the time. Your comments related to cab drivers also support it. If you are not capable just attack so that you can blur the facts...

I am not trying to prove whether TC's were hurt or not, actually I am not trying to prove anything about your history. Besides, I do know very well what happened before and after the coup. That coup was a democratic move in your perspective whereas Turkish intervention to save TC's under the threat of new developments in Cyprus was not. It's easy to understand your perception. In any case you are the side whose rights have been violated all the time.

I prefer to stay out of history discussions because people only try to prove what they believe in blind. It is of no benefit to me as is to anybody else.

The Coup was not in any way democratic. It was enforced upon us by sinister external powers to facilitate your invasion and nothing more. It was an entirely GC affair. It targeted the legitimate Government of the day, and dividing the island because Cyprus was getting too friendly with the Soviets.

Ok, since you avoid answering I take it as you didn't watch any documentaries which demonstrates how people suffered at the time.

The only people that were suffering in 74 were the GCs due to the Coup.

Why don't you indulge us, and tell us exactly what you know about all the suffering the TCs experienced in 74....Dates will also be very helpful, so don't forget to include them.

[Piratis]

That coup was a democratic move in your perspective whereas Turkish intervention to save TC's under the threat of new developments in Cyprus was not.

Who said that the coup was a "democratic move"? Were any of the several coups that happened in Turkey a "democratic move"? Could a coup in Turkey be an excuse for another country to invade and occupy part of Turkey?

The fact is that no TC was killed in 1974 before 20th of July when Turkey (with the help of TC extremists) invaded Cyprus. Therefore your claim that Turkey invaded in order to "save" the TCs is totally wrong. Turkey and TCs were planning partition since the 1950s, and they found the chance to invade when Greeks were busy fighting each other.

[Alpeis]

Paphitis, just google the documentaries then you will see that they are really helpful to understand the history of Cypriots :..(

Sometimes it's much easier to examine issues in a simple level. Then you will be enlightened, otherwise you just get lost in details like what happened on which date. It's obvious that both sides suffered a lot. The only way to recover the past is to communicate with each other while not arguing who did what in the past. These two communities are definitely not ready to unite now. I am so sorry for all...