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[denizaksulu]

Hello friends, this is my first post to the forum and I do hope to see rational and constructive comments.

I am a Turkish citizen and have moved to North Cyprus nearly two years ago. My move was supposed to be temporary for a 6-months period, but things developed in a very different way (I fell in love with a Greek girl, but it's another story) than I expected, therefore I had to stay until now. I noticed that I hadn't know anything about Cyprus, Cyprus issue and the history of Cyprus before I came to Cyprus. I would like to mention that I grew up in a highly educated environment, went to the top schools and the top university; METU, in Turkey and eventually consider myself an intellectual.
At the beginning, many issues I read in the newspapers or heard from others were all Greek to me. Afterwards, I searched the web in detail to learn what happened in Cyprus: I first delved into the web pages of Greek origin, then of Turkish origin and finally checked the third party reviews and information about Cyprus history.
Now, I know a lot about the history of the island. Perhaps I now know much more than Turkish Cypriots, but what about Turkish people, what do they think/know about the Cyprus problem. I can easily say that the majority (perhaps %95) of people in Turkey has no single idea about what has happened here and what is going on now.
Let me tell you what they know about here. Whenever I go to Turkey, I always have a chat with cab drivers especially after landing the airport. What they and other people ask me about Cyprus is always the same!
Here are their questions and comments on Cyprus:

-Is it true that Turkish Cypriots don't like us?
-I don't understand why Turkey transfers money to Turkish Cypriots, we are wasting a lot of money for them.

This two sentences above are the only things Turks consider about Cyprus. Consequently, Turkish community in Turkey knows a big NOTHING over Cyprus.

I believe this fact is very important for both communities.

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You call yourself an intellectual and come up with statements as such?
How can you say you know Cyprus better than a Turkish Cypriot. Are you nuts? (You just admitted you knew nothing untill recently from the net.)

You would do well to ask yourself the questıons above and see what answers you come up wıth!!

I have been to Turkey many times and my reception there is less than friendly. When I say I am from Cyprus the response is 'Are you Greek?'.
When I try to explain that I am Turkish Cypriot the usual response is 'gavur dölü'. Now figure out to yourself why some TCs 'hate' or dislike mainland Turks.

It is admirable that you fell in love with a Greek Cypriot girl. It is unavoidable and good luck.

I believe it's obvious that I know more. Whenever I ask if they know XXX in their history I generally encounter plain faces.
I don't discriminate between people of different races, bloods etc. Those kind of people have definitely no place in my life. The ones you describe are also out of my interest. I just ignore them.

All I have to say is that you mix with the wrong people. Not eberyone is as 'educated' as yourself. Its like many younger people on the forum do not know what it was like in the 'old' days. Many younger GCs only know of a 'Turkish Invasion'. You have to put things into perspective.

If you talk to the more intelligent people you will find yourself 'lacking' in what they know about Cyprus.

What do you say? El elden üstündür. NEVER presume that you are better than others. Their are many ignorant people in Turkey also.

Stay on this forum and learn.

[Alpeis]

Alpeis,

I'm interested to know how a Turk from Turkey managed to find love with a Greek Cypriot girl in the north. I would love to read your story.

Forget about how the TCs feel about the mainland Turks, since it was never that great to begin with, even before 1963. The question you need to ask is, just how much do the mainland Turks like the TCs, and my guess is, not very much also, or else they would help support the economy of the north with their 70+ million population by buying what ever the north produces. Not every non recognised entity like the north has the luxury of having such a huge market available to them from what some call as their "motherland". The truth is, Turks are in the north, because of the military decision and not because of public policy in Turkey, which means that Turks in general do not support the TCs and the idea of Turkey losing EU membership over Cyprus, will only make the Turks hate the TCs.

At age 9, after we were release as captives by the GCs in 1963, in 1964 I was able to go and live with an aunt in Turkey who had gotten married to a Turk. I was enrolled into a school there, where within few days, I had a fist fight with a Turkish kid who had told me that Turkey should not help the TCs. Here was a little kid of my age, who had such a view back then, which is no different than it is today held by many. I'm sure it is worse now, because of the money that Turkey spends in the north to maintain the corrupted puppet regime and also because it is hurting Turkey's EU chances.

After I knocked this kid's block off, I was sent to the headmasters office where my uncle who was a police officer, was sent to come and pick me up. Imagine, I had just arrived from a war zone, and this little shit wanted to give me more shit. He got what was coming to him at the time, but in some respects looking at today's situation, he may have been correct and that he was ahead of his time, so let me apologize to him right now for kicking his ass back in 1964.!

To be honest, I like Turkish Cypriots more than Turkish. Btw Just don't forget that you are now in PEACE!

As to my love, I am thinking to publicize it soon. I'll let you know when it's ready

[Paphitis]

Alpeis,

I'm interested to know how a Turk from Turkey managed to find love with a Greek Cypriot girl in the north. I would love to read your story.

Forget about how the TCs feel about the mainland Turks, since it was never that great to begin with, even before 1963. The question you need to ask is, just how much do the mainland Turks like the TCs, and my guess is, not very much also, or else they would help support the economy of the north with their 70+ million population by buying what ever the north produces. Not every non recognised entity like the north has the luxury of having such a huge market available to them from what some call as their "motherland". The truth is, Turks are in the north, because of the military decision and not because of public policy in Turkey, which means that Turks in general do not support the TCs and the idea of Turkey losing EU membership over Cyprus, will only make the Turks hate the TCs.

At age 9, after we were release as captives by the GCs in 1963, in 1964 I was able to go and live with an aunt in Turkey who had gotten married to a Turk. I was enrolled into a school there, where within few days, I had a fist fight with a Turkish kid who had told me that Turkey should not help the TCs. Here was a little kid of my age, who had such a view back then, which is no different than it is today held by many. I'm sure it is worse now, because of the money that Turkey spends in the north to maintain the corrupted puppet regime and also because it is hurting Turkey's EU chances.

After I knocked this kid's block off, I was sent to the headmasters office where my uncle who was a police officer, was sent to come and pick me up. Imagine, I had just arrived from a war zone, and this little shit wanted to give me more shit. He got what was coming to him at the time, but in some respects looking at today's situation, he may have been correct and that he was ahead of his time, so let me apologize to him right now for kicking his ass back in 1964.!

To be honest, I like Turkish Cypriots more than Turkish. Btw Just don't forget that you are now in PEACE!

As to my love, I am thinking to publicize it soon. I'll let you know when it's ready

As long as there is the Turkish Army occupation, there can never be peace or freedom for the TCs.

This is the very occupation that not only threatens Cyprus directly, but also threatens the very existence of the TC culture in Cyprus. Some peace huh?

[Get Real!]

Where was your legal and legitimate government and their implementation of human rights when Aysozomeno was surrounded by the relatives of certain members on this forum after 63 about to be slaughtered when Lurucadis went to their rescue. Was TMT in Aysozomeno Bodamya or Dali encouraging the TCs to leave their land and move to Lurucina? Like hell it was.

It looks like mommy & daddy have been lying to you again...

“Next morning a band of 50 armed Turkish Cypriots arrived to escort the 200 survivors of Ayios Sozomenos to the nearest Turkish strongpoint at Louroujina, four miles away.”

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 34,00.html

They felt they would be killed and left everything behind and sought refuge where they could.

They left by their own volition AFTER the gunfight was over because somebody “encouraged” them to…

In the case of Aysozomeno they were surrounded about to be killed. How many houses are there in Aysozomeno now? Why were they flattened? is it covered under GC human rights?

For 45 year old abandoned mud houses they look pretty upright to me...

http://www.panoramio.com/user/823314/ta ... 0SOZOMENOS

Write to N Kizilyurek and ask him why his family moved from Bodamya to Lurucina after 63.

His story will most likely be like yours.... full of lies and deception!

Luckily, this TIME article is testimony of the facts by the first independent reporter on the scene.

Quit fibbing and making a fool of yourself Y-Fronts...

[Alpeis]

Let me tell you what they know about here. Whenever I go to Turkey, I always have a chat with cab drivers especially after landing the airport. What they and other people ask me about Cyprus is always the same!
Here are their questions and comments on Cyprus:

-Is it true that Turkish Cypriots don't like us?
-I don't understand why Turkey transfers money to Turkish Cypriots, we are wasting a lot of money for them.

Correct! It's about time Turkey buggers off from Cyprus. We (GCs) will take care of our northern brothers.

He is quoting Turkish Intellectuals - the cab drivers.

I am not only quoting them but the majority. On the other hand, cab drivers can easily represent the community in Turkey. Don't ever underestimate them, whoever they support takes the lead in government!

[Nikitas]

The sentiments TCs face in Turkey reflect pretty much what I dealt with when I moved to Greece in 1975, and I am half Greek (mother's side).

Things changed though when Cypriots proved that they had the balls to deal with adversity after 1974. The mainland Greeks had to admit that in a few years the Cypriots had saved their economy, regained their production, and surpassed Greece in terms of GNP per capita etc. Finally the EU accession process which Cyprus fulfilled ahead of schedule and the subsuequent adaptation to Europe proved that Cyprus were every bit as capapble as Greece.

The above should serve as a guide to TCs. Turkey is not in Cyprus to save you anymore than Greece was about to save the GCs in 1974. As long as you fall prey to the false notion that without Turkey you are insecure you are providing your oppressors with their most useful tool to keep you under their thumb.

If Turkey had the TCs welfare in mind they would do what Kikapu very aptly mentions above- they would campaign to make TC goods available to the market of 70 million that they so often mention to foreigners. The joke is that mainland Greek businesses have more access to the 70 million market than TCs have. This should tell you something, but No, you insist that you cannot do without them even when they are near to making you extinct in your own country. What can anyone say!

[Get Real!]

It was a bit late in dawn when I wrote the post, the sentence "Perhaps I now know much more than Turkish Cypriots" should have been "Perhaps I now know much more than Turkish and Greek Cypriots".

Perhaps you're just an idiot wasting our time... Greek Cypriots have a saying:

"Ella bappou va sou dixo ta ambellia sou!"

...which roughly translates to...

"Come grandpa, I'll show you where your vineyards are!"

You came from Turkey in the 21st century so you can teach the Greek Cypriots about their 10,000 year old homeland?

[YFred]

Where was your legal and legitimate government and their implementation of human rights when Aysozomeno was surrounded by the relatives of certain members on this forum after 63 about to be slaughtered when Lurucadis went to their rescue. Was TMT in Aysozomeno Bodamya or Dali encouraging the TCs to leave their land and move to Lurucina? Like hell it was.

It looks like mommy & daddy have been lying to you again...

“Next morning a band of 50 armed Turkish Cypriots arrived to escort the 200 survivors of Ayios Sozomenos to the nearest Turkish strongpoint at Louroujina, four miles away.”

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 34,00.html

They felt they would be killed and left everything behind and sought refuge where they could.

They left by their own volition AFTER the gunfight was over because somebody “encouraged” them to…

In the case of Aysozomeno they were surrounded about to be killed. How many houses are there in Aysozomeno now? Why were they flattened? is it covered under GC human rights?

For 45 year old abandoned mud houses they look pretty upright to me...

http://www.panoramio.com/user/823314/ta ... 0SOZOMENOS

Write to N Kizilyurek and ask him why his family moved from Bodamya to Lurucina after 63.

His story will most likely be like yours.... full of lies and deception!

Luckily, this TIME article is testimony of the facts by the first independent reporter on the scene.

Quit fibbing and making a fool of yourself Y-Fronts...

You are unreal Get Real. From this point you will be known as UGR. They left of their own volition
I'll give it to you, you are very entertaining. 10 out of 10 for entertainment.

[Kikapu]

All they knows they safe us and we owe our lifes for them . They never knows ... we , the Turkish Cypriots had great struggle to have our own identities since they rented the island to British .
They can not accept our independance . As a Turkish Cypriot myself i would like to live independance from Turkey ,Greece and Greek Cypriots domination . I would like to live Federal Republic of Cyprus umberalla as equal partner with GC's.

rented the island to British .

Rented.! Is this the next propaganda from Bayrak.?

As a Turkish Cypriot myself

Sorry Halil, but as long as you support your "government" in the north, you are no longer a TC but a CT, a Cyprus Turk. Learn to live with it.!

I would like to live Federal Republic of Cyprus umberalla as equal partner with GC's.

There is no such thing as "equal partners", Halil. Equal citizen YES, but there is no such thing as a equal partner when it comes to running a country by it's own people. It is not a business venture, and even if it was, the TCs would only qualify as a very junior partner in what it is that they would bring to the venture, therefore, stick to equal citizenship, since this way, you are also a 100% owners of Cyprus. I don't want to hear your Bayrak's propaganda shit all the time, who does not even see you as a TC, but a CT. I'm amazed that you can still respect them to carry out their propaganda for them. I understand that you need to make a living, but please Halil, don't become a whore to them all the time.!

Kikosh ,
I don't know whose propaganda u are or whose whore u are ......

Try to watch out your language all the time .

My freedom and what i feel comes first Kikosh . Not what u are trying to dictate on me .

Independent from everybody comes first . If I am independent i can built up my living how i wanna be . No Turkey , No Greece , No GC's domination's on us .

I don't know whose propaganda u are or whose whore u are ......

I'm a propagandist and a whore to True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws. There's no greater cause than being a whore to the above principles.!

My freedom and what i feel comes first Kikosh . Not what u are trying to dictate on me .

I'm not dictating anything to you. It is your "government" that you support who is telling you that you are no longer a TC. As long as you support and work for them, you are a CT as far they are concerned. Who am I to argue with them, if you want to whore away your TC heritage to your "government".!

Kikosh ,
u are only manipulator . At both sides there is always extreme political parties . They can say anything .They don't have any power to force the people . People are freely describe themself how they feel . Today this goverment will be in this power next day another will be .No one can change Turkish Cypriots or Turkish Cypriot terms even u can not .

In pratic mostly used word is Turkish Cypriot . U are the one saying u can read Turkish . Are u following lately our press .... what kind of expression they are using shows us .....

Also Bayrak International Annoucements just says :This is Bayrak International ..... The Voice of The Turkish Cypriots .

In pratic mostly used word is Turkish Cypriot . U are the one saying u can read Turkish . Are u following lately our press .... what kind of expression they are using shows us .....

I try not read anything from any news organisations that does not practice any Journalistic Integrity by not giving us the facts, but rather their propaganda opinions, such as what your company Bayrak does, which is only good for Brain Dead NeoPartitionist. That is not news but garbage, which belongs in the comments and opinion sections and not the news section..!

I just laugh ..........

This is the man who talks about democracy and freedom ..... he thinks he is the one always right .

I just laugh at u .......

Who are you to be laughing at Kikapu?

Kikapu is absolutely right in calling you a whore to your "government", because that is exactly what you are. You have no freedom and no say in the "trnc", as you are just an expendable TC living within a Turkish Military base, and you are not free to dictate or influence any public policies which do not serve the interests of your Master which is the Turkish Army.

You do not support True Democracy based on Equality for all citizens, because this is nothing you have ever experienced in your whole life. You have always been somebodies bitch, and your mind has been raped over and over again, and so we do not expect you to have any idea of what real democracy and human rights are all about. Your brain is trapped in a time warp, back to the 60s and 70s, and yet you do not know that the world and Cyprus has moved on into the 21st century. You are a slave to the Turkish Army, a lost soul, with no free will or character to stand for what is right and universally accepted as democracy.

Kikapu on the other hand has lived through all the experiences you have had in the 60s, and yet the man has moved on and forgiven. You are not capable of this because you are not human. You have no heart. Kikapu also knows full well what it means to have real true democratic rights, because he lives them, just like all other US citizens, but alas you have no idea about democracy, because you don't have any democratic rights at all.

You think that democracy can be manipulated so that YOU can SHIT on the democratic and human rights of the 82%. How is that democracy?

Correction, Kikapoo left Cyprus in 63/4, hence he only saw the start of it. What was telling really was his recent comment about the gymnasium floor in a recent post as to its condition compared to then. I wonder how many more TCs can remember the floor they were standing on when they were captives to the GC NG. Me suspect he no TC.

First of all, Paphitis said my experience was from the 60's and not beyond, which is correct, so what is your correction comment about.??

No dummy, I do not remember the condition of the floor from where we were kept in 1963. It was a sarcastic comment by me , that's all, because I believe it was Kifeas who commented that the team photo was taken at the Kyykos school which had a nice floor that can be seen in the picture that was posted, perhaps by Bananiot I believe. So, I think I also posted a picture that I took 2 years ago at the Kyykos school when the whole building was getting renovated with not so nice floor. I guess th3e renovations had been completed when that picture was taken few months ago. Since you want to talk about this, why don't you post that thread and let everyone see it, rather than doing your usual brain dead comments................................stupid fucker.!

[Get Real!]

You are unreal Get Real. From this point you will be known as UGR. They left of their own volition
I'll give it to you, you are very entertaining. 10 out of 10 for entertainment.

Admit it Y-Fronts... you've been wasted again!