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[Alpeis]

Cem, it is obvious that most TCs are not as religious as many in Turkey, and from what I hear they are less religious from many GCs also, thats a good thing.

But would you say that a TC married to a GC would not mind if his/her child was baptized Christian? What about the child having a Greek name?

Paphitis said that religion and language can be a barrier in such inter-marriages and I think this is true and it is a universal issue, not just a Cyprus one.

I hear that marriages between GCs and TCs are not unheard of in London. How do people resolve these issues there? I mean things like whether the kids should be baptised/circumcised and what names they should be given.

It's true that they are not as religious as the people in Turkey.
I'll tell you my story. I have a Greek girlfriend who lives and works in the south. I love her more than anyone so does she. However, we cannot disclose our relationship since publicizing it will inevitably bring it to an end. I have no problem with my family regarding my love being Greek, they are modern people. My all friends also have no problem with it. When the Greek society is considered it's a big issue. They are definitely against of a marriage between Turkish and Greek.

As to religion or names, I really don't care. Our love and relationship is definitely more important than the rest. We have one life to live and it really annoys me that others who have nothing to do with it manage to bring great obstacles in front of us.

[Alpeis]

"Easy to say "wake up" but how? I think it's too late for taking an action..."

In the EU there is no longer any need for Turkish military guarantees or presence. So there is still time for TCs to assert themselves and ask for true independence from the "motherland" as GCs have done. It is not easy and time is running out. TCs are becoming an ever diminishing minority in the north. Another tend years and TC will be a memory and that is precisely why they must act now.

From their point of view it is all dependent on the trust between the two communities. They don't want to experience a similar past and therefore they seek a guarantee. Turkish Army is now their guarantee to live in peace with no terror or war. As I said previously, if you two communities attain trust between each other the rest is easy.
When I put myself in a TC's place, I feel that I am between the devil and the deep blue sea. There is a nice Turkish expression with the same meaning: Literally translating, a stick with shit on both ends. Therefore you cannot hold it from any end.

[Oracle]

When the Greek society is considered it's a big issue.

I don't think it's because you are Turkish. I think it's because you personally sound arrogant and dishonest ....

[Alpeis]

I don't think it's because you are Turkish. I think it's because you personally sound arrogant and dishonest ....

I will take it upon myself since we like each other

Oh, you have already quoted me. If you know me you wouldn't think in that way.

[YFred]

Cem, it is obvious that most TCs are not as religious as many in Turkey, and from what I hear they are less religious from many GCs also, thats a good thing.

But would you say that a TC married to a GC would not mind if his/her child was baptized Christian? What about the child having a Greek name?

Paphitis said that religion and language can be a barrier in such inter-marriages and I think this is true and it is a universal issue, not just a Cyprus one.

I hear that marriages between GCs and TCs are not unheard of in London. How do people resolve these issues there? I mean things like whether the kids should be baptised/circumcised and what names they should be given.

Its like any other marriage, the two decide what to do, in reality if it was going to be a problem, the marriage would never have taken place. So I suspect its decided before the marriage itself.

[Tim Drayton]

Cem, it is obvious that most TCs are not as religious as many in Turkey, and from what I hear they are less religious from many GCs also, thats a good thing.

But would you say that a TC married to a GC would not mind if his/her child was baptized Christian? What about the child having a Greek name?

Paphitis said that religion and language can be a barrier in such inter-marriages and I think this is true and it is a universal issue, not just a Cyprus one.

I hear that marriages between GCs and TCs are not unheard of in London. How do people resolve these issues there? I mean things like whether the kids should be baptised/circumcised and what names they should be given.

Its like any other marriage, the two decide what to do, in reality if it was going to be a problem, the marriage would never have taken place. So I suspect its decided before the marriage itself.

Come to think of it, one of my mates who is British but lived for a long time in Turkey married a Turkish woman. They lived together in Turkey for a few years but now live in the UK. They have two children. None of these things seem to have given them much trouble, although I know my mate is much happier now they are in the UK where they are freer to do things as they please. Neither of them is the least bit religious, which I suppose makes it easy.

[Paphitis]

You have absolutely no idea what your talking about!
There have been a few mixed GC and TC marriages.
The mere fact that this has not happened a lot, is because for 35 years the 2 communities have been living apart. The Turkish Army has divided us in OUR country.
And one more thing. Religion plays a very big part in all of this. It has brainwashed many people into thinking that their religion is "superior" to the other, and that people of other religions are incompatible. This is true of all religions, even in Canada.

But let's compare the backwardness of The Greek Orthodox Faith, The Catholic Church and the Church of England, with the Islamic Faith. The Islamic Faith would have to be one of the lesser tolerant religions of all time. All you need to do is look at the rise of fundamentalists and how some fanatical Islamic Clerics have declared their JIHAD against the INFIDELS of the West.
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Bozo, it is rather you who have no idea about what you are talking about.
As Tim Dayton's past posts must have shown you, T/C's, just like Bosnians, have always been practicing a much watered-down version of Islam. For example, rarely have I seen T/Cs slaughtering sheep or cow during the feast of sacrifices (a barbarian ritual). Moreover, most of the Mosques' usual clientele are not T/Cs but Turkish settlers & families. During Ramadan, all T/Cs do, is to have a get-together meeting among family members. The increasing religious activity in the North is simply stemming from this crook AKP government's pressure on TCs. It is therefore the duty of president Christophias to use every means to prevent further islamisation of the north.

Fortunately, in Cyprus, the power base of the Church is in decline. And with its decline there will be a new Cyprus rising from the ashes. The future generations of Cyprus are moving slowly away from the Church, and this will cause it its demise. The state can and will facilitate this even more when it segregates itself from religious sects which are a danger to humanity and progress.

Religion is regression personified, and is destructive to the core IMHO

Glad to hear that ! If Cyprus is one day re-unified this religion stuff should be dealt with more firmly.

Bozo, it is more like you have no idea what you have read....

One of the biggest obstacles between the GCs and TCs, is religion, and this holds true from both sides. You say that TCs are not deeply religious. The GCs, deep down, are also not overly religious, and yet about 98% of GCs are baptized in the Orthodox Church. Being baptized in the Orthodox Church does not make you Orthodox. Unfortunately, the Orthodox Church has some political power in Cyprus, but it is in decline. The newer generations are turning their backs on this institution, and it is about time the Archbishop of Cyprus was told to butt out of Cypriot politics and social affairs.

Remove religion from the equation, then all you are left with is Cypriots speaking 2 different languages. This is the inevitable future of Cyprus. Speak to the Cypriot youth, and you shall realize the the Orthodox Church's time as a political force are numbered.

President Christofias has had a rough time with the GO Church. It is about time he tells the Archbishop to butt out. Furthermore, all religious content MUST be removed from the school curriculum and state TV. This is the only way forward for Cyprus.

The increasing religious activity in the North is simply stemming from this crook AKP government's pressure on TCs. It is therefore the duty of president Christophias to use every means to prevent further islamisation of the north.

We would love to help, but there is nothing President Christofias can do for you.

It is really up to the TCs to resist the occupation I'm afraid. It is really up to Turkey to accept the fact that there is only one possible solution to Cyprus. Once the island is unified with True Democracy and Human Rights for all EQUAL citizens within the EU, then the illegal Islamic settlers will be dealt with in accordance with international law, and the True Cypriots can get back together and live normal lives, without the any external influence or occupation from any country.

[Paphitis]

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[Paphitis]

I know Kikapu very well, and I can assure you that he is a TC, democrat and international citizen.

If I ever had the misfortune to experience what he did (i.e being a captive/hostage), then the memories of such experiences would be very vivid indeed.

I doubt whether there are any other TCs on CF who would have had worse experiences than being a captive at Kaimakli.

And the inter communal violence disrupted his life in Cyprus, and it is these troubles that violently uprooted him from his homeland. He is just a big a victim as all the other GC refugees that were uprooted from their homes by the Turkish Army, and yet, he forgives.

The guy has a very big heart, and we see him on CF trying to fight for TC rights and a free and democratic Cyprus. All TCs and GCs really need to look up to him as a role model and humanitarian IMHO!

You question the fact that he is a TC. Perhaps your community does not deserve such a resistance fighter for your cause. We, the GCs are willing to claim him as our own, but I doubt he would want this as all he wants to do is stand up for what is right and ensure that the TCs have a future in Cyprus. Nothing would hurt him more than to see the TC culture being erased from Cyprus. This is what the Turkish Army is achieving and this is what he trying to fight against.

Paphitis,

You understand me very well, so I thank you.!

Others understand me well also, specially the Fascist NeoPartitionist on here, which is what makes them uncomfortable, because they have become part of the established "Culture of Corruption" in the north, just because they themselves have been enjoying the "Spoils of War" with the GCs properties, which many have, even though you do not hear anyone admitting it since they are cowards, which would invalidate all their excuses in wanting a Democratic future Cyprus. Along themselves, also members of their extended families and friends and colleagues have been enjoying the GC properties as well, so they fight me to protect them. Greed has overcome Morality for many in the north, and this is why the resistance by these Morally Corrupted individuals against me, because they understand me only too well, that I cannot be corrupted to accept them as they are, therefore they have only one view, "either you are with us, or against us" mentality, which was no different than TMT really, regardless of Rights and Wrongs. This makes me a threat to them by exposing them to what they are, which makes them uncomfortable with their conscience and subconscious minds, because HARAM is a very BIG taboo in the "Turkish" society, and this is what I remind them of everyday and they don't like it, that they are in fact, Morally Corrupted. The only way to cleanse these Morally corrupted individuals minds is by establishing a True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws for Cyprus and that’s what I’m fighting for, and that’s what will happen in due time, because there is no other alternative to correct the abuses of HARAM by these individuals. Thank God Cyprus is in the EU, or else HARAM and Culture of Corruption would be here to stay forever in the north by contaminating future generations of young TCs minds. I think there is a GOD after all who seems to do things in mysterious ways, and I think one of it’s ways, is in the form of the EU, so to salvage these Morally Corrupted individuals. Amen to that.!

The only way to cleanse these Morally corrupted individuals minds is by establishing a True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws for Cyprus and that’s what I’m fighting for, and that’s what will happen in due time

This is the only way forward as it is the only solution that is acceptable to the GCs. We must have FULL compliance with International Law, true democracy and human rights. All citizens must be EQUAL, or no cherry!

[EPSILON]

I know Kikapu very well, and I can assure you that he is a TC, democrat and international citizen.

If I ever had the misfortune to experience what he did (i.e being a captive/hostage), then the memories of such experiences would be very vivid indeed.

I doubt whether there are any other TCs on CF who would have had worse experiences than being a captive at Kaimakli.

And the inter communal violence disrupted his life in Cyprus, and it is these troubles that violently uprooted him from his homeland. He is just a big a victim as all the other GC refugees that were uprooted from their homes by the Turkish Army, and yet, he forgives.

The guy has a very big heart, and we see him on CF trying to fight for TC rights and a free and democratic Cyprus. All TCs and GCs really need to look up to him as a role model and humanitarian IMHO!

You question the fact that he is a TC. Perhaps your community does not deserve such a resistance fighter for your cause. We, the GCs are willing to claim him as our own, but I doubt he would want this as all he wants to do is stand up for what is right and ensure that the TCs have a future in Cyprus. Nothing would hurt him more than to see the TC culture being erased from Cyprus. This is what the Turkish Army is achieving and this is what he trying to fight against.

Paphitis,

You understand me very well, so I thank you.!

Others understand me well also, specially the Fascist NeoPartitionist on here, which is what makes them uncomfortable, because they have become part of the established "Culture of Corruption" in the north, just because they themselves have been enjoying the "Spoils of War" with the GCs properties, which many have, even though you do not hear anyone admitting it since they are cowards, which would invalidate all their excuses in wanting a Democratic future Cyprus. Along themselves, also members of their extended families and friends and colleagues have been enjoying the GC properties as well, so they fight me to protect them. Greed has overcome Morality for many in the north, and this is why the resistance by these Morally Corrupted individuals against me, because they understand me only too well, that I cannot be corrupted to accept them as they are, therefore they have only one view, "either you are with us, or against us" mentality, which was no different than TMT really, regardless of Rights and Wrongs. This makes me a threat to them by exposing them to what they are, which makes them uncomfortable with their conscience and subconscious minds, because HARAM is a very BIG taboo in the "Turkish" society, and this is what I remind them of everyday and they don't like it, that they are in fact, Morally Corrupted. The only way to cleanse these Morally corrupted individuals minds is by establishing a True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws for Cyprus and that’s what I’m fighting for, and that’s what will happen in due time, because there is no other alternative to correct the abuses of HARAM by these individuals. Thank God Cyprus is in the EU, or else HARAM and Culture of Corruption would be here to stay forever in the north by contaminating future generations of young TCs minds. I think there is a GOD after all who seems to do things in mysterious ways, and I think one of it’s ways, is in the form of the EU, so to salvage these Morally Corrupted individuals. Amen to that.!

The only way to cleanse these Morally corrupted individuals minds is by establishing a True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws for Cyprus and that’s what I’m fighting for, and that’s what will happen in due time

This is the only way forward as it is the only solution that is acceptable to the GCs. We must have FULL compliance with International Law, true democracy and human rights. All citizens must be EQUAL, or no cherry!

Paphitis, please suggest us a reason for which an invator who won a war and occupy a part of a country and having not any actual cost from the international commubity for this is to agree to such a wonderfull solution with the victim and unarmed on the other side?