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[DT.]

Let's take it from the ice age so that we can make better reasonings. The more I am trying to focus on today's reality the more you open the pages of history which even goes back to 300 years ago.

Since you all better know the history, can anyone please explain me on which mountain it was written ENOSIS?

Can you please? Its been a while since someone peddled that photoshop picture in here. Please tell us on which mountain you allege this was on.

Was this fabricated to excuse pac man on pendadaktylos? We don't need photoshop my friend, your stupidity is there for all to see. EVery foreign politician that visits Cyprus, every foreign leader, every tourist. We get to show them what a joy it is to be a turk every day and you get to show them what c***s your millitary regime is.

[Paphitis]

These two communities are definitely not ready to unite now. I am so sorry for all...

"These two communities ..."; if the second "community" includes Turks ... then we will never unite, quite right. The Turks will all go back to turkey upon a just and fair settlement.

The Cypriots will be united, as they have always been, and the stolen lands will be returned to the rightful owners. Do not assume any colonising Turks will be accepted into Cyprus-EU by this method ...

No, I meant TC's...

Then the "TCs" will NOT be considered as another "community" in a united Cyprus .. they will be like the rest of us - just Cypriots. The remaining Turks living in the north will have to de-colonise and go back to Turkey!

This is not Canada, this is Cyprus. There are definitely two communities with different religions, traditions and taboos. Here is an easy example: How many married couples; TC and GC, are there in this island?
The answer to this question very well explains why you are not ready to live together. You are separated in minds not in pieces of land...

However, I support your view although it doesn't look feasible for now

That's a lie because there are many thousands TCs working and living in the free areas of the RoC.

Maybe you should take a walk in the turkish cypriot districts of Limassol & Larnaca.

There is no need for mixed marriages to coexist in peace. Cyprus is a multicultural society with many thousands Britons, Russians, Arabs, and others who live in peace and prosperity, although Cyprus is a small island.

Anything else is an excuse for partition.

Greek population has almost the highest marriage rate in EU but you cannot give a few examples of TC GC marriages. However you claim that there is no discrimination between the two communities. Sorry but I am not satisfied at all. I will be shocked if you really believe in what you tell

You have absolutely no idea what your talking about!

There have been a few mixed GC and TC marriages.

The mere fact that this has not happened a lot, is because for 35 years the 2 communities have been living apart. The Turkish Army has divided us in OUR country.

And one more thing. Religion plays a very big part in all of this. It has brainwashed many people into thinking that their religion is "superior" to the other, and that people of other religions are incompatible. This is true of all religions, even in Canada.

But let's compare the backwardness of The Greek Orthodox Faith, The Catholic Church and the Church of England, with the Islamic Faith. The Islamic Faith would have to be one of the lesser tolerant religions of all time. All you need to do is look at the rise of fundamentalists and how some fanatical Islamic Clerics have declared their JIHAD against the INFIDELS of the West.

Fortunately, in Cyprus, the power base of the Church is in decline. And with its decline there will be a new Cyprus rising from the ashes. The future generations of Cyprus are moving slowly away from the Church, and this will cause it its demise. The state can and will facilitate this even more when it segregates itself from religious sects which are a danger to humanity and progress.

Religion is regression personified, and is destructive to the core IMHO!

[denizaksulu]

No matter how anyone behaves I really enjoy the forum. Thanks all of you for your warm welcome.

I am not an authority to judge people, I am not trying to do so either. It just widens my perception of GC's. I already know TC's and many communities around the world since most of my friends were expats (unfortunately no Greeks) from all parts of the world when I was in Turkey.

Good morning Alpeis. I see that you are getting a very 'warm' welcome here.

İlk postanda biraz 'mütevazi' olsan daha iyi olurdu.

You seem like a sensitive guide and I am sure you will learn a lot as you go along. Watch out especially for our friend Piratis. He is our beloved local director of 'Walt Disney Productions'. Anyway, you will come to your own conclusions, just have an open mind.

[DT.]

No matter how anyone behaves I really enjoy the forum. Thanks all of you for your warm welcome.

I am not an authority to judge people, I am not trying to do so either. It just widens my perception of GC's. I already know TC's and many communities around the world since most of my friends were expats (unfortunately no Greeks) from all parts of the world when I was in Turkey.

Good morning Alpeis. I see that you are getting a very 'warm' welcome here.

İlk postanda biraz 'mütevazi' olsan daha iyi olurdu.

You seem like a sensitive guide and I am sure you will learn a lot as you go along. Watch out especially for our friend Piratis. He is our beloved local director of 'Walt Disney Productions'. Anyway, you will come to your own conclusions, just have an open mind.

With the fiction he's been posting, should his mind open any more we'll be charging tickets for helicopter rides to the turkish human grand canyon.

[denizaksulu]

No matter how anyone behaves I really enjoy the forum. Thanks all of you for your warm welcome.

I am not an authority to judge people, I am not trying to do so either. It just widens my perception of GC's. I already know TC's and many communities around the world since most of my friends were expats (unfortunately no Greeks) from all parts of the world when I was in Turkey.

Good morning Alpeis. I see that you are getting a very 'warm' welcome here.

İlk postanda biraz 'mütevazi' olsan daha iyi olurdu.

You seem like a sensitive guide and I am sure you will learn a lot as you go along. Watch out especially for our friend Piratis. He is our beloved local director of 'Walt Disney Productions'. Anyway, you will come to your own conclusions, just have an open mind.

With the fiction he's been posting, should his mind open any more we'll be charging tickets for helicopter rides to the turkish human grand canyon.

[Paphitis]

No matter how anyone behaves I really enjoy the forum. Thanks all of you for your warm welcome.

I am not an authority to judge people, I am not trying to do so either. It just widens my perception of GC's. I already know TC's and many communities around the world since most of my friends were expats (unfortunately no Greeks) from all parts of the world when I was in Turkey.

Good morning Alpeis. I see that you are getting a very 'warm' welcome here.

İlk postanda biraz 'mütevazi' olsan daha iyi olurdu.

You seem like a sensitive guide and I am sure you will learn a lot as you go along. Watch out especially for our friend Piratis. He is our beloved local director of 'Walt Disney Productions'. Anyway, you will come to your own conclusions, just have an open mind.

With the fiction he's been posting, should his mind open any more we'll be charging tickets for helicopter rides to the turkish human grand canyon.

Just don't forget the parachutes, just in case the chopper crashes in the Great Unknown Abyss...

[Cem]

You have absolutely no idea what your talking about!
There have been a few mixed GC and TC marriages.
The mere fact that this has not happened a lot, is because for 35 years the 2 communities have been living apart. The Turkish Army has divided us in OUR country.
And one more thing. Religion plays a very big part in all of this. It has brainwashed many people into thinking that their religion is "superior" to the other, and that people of other religions are incompatible. This is true of all religions, even in Canada.

But let's compare the backwardness of The Greek Orthodox Faith, The Catholic Church and the Church of England, with the Islamic Faith. The Islamic Faith would have to be one of the lesser tolerant religions of all time. All you need to do is look at the rise of fundamentalists and how some fanatical Islamic Clerics have declared their JIHAD against the INFIDELS of the West.
!

Bozo, it is rather you who have no idea about what you are talking about.
As Tim Dayton's past posts must have shown you, T/C's, just like Bosnians, have always been practicing a much watered-down version of islam. For example, rarely have I seen T/Cs slaughtering sheep or cow during the feast of sacrifices (a barbarian ritual). Moreover, most of the Mosques' usual clientele are not T/Cs but Turkish settlers & families. During Ramadan, all T/Cs do, is to have a get-together meeting among family members. The increasing religious activity in the North is simply stemming from this crook AKP government's pressure on TCs. It is therefore the duty of president Christophias to use every means to prevent further islamisation of the north.

Fortunately, in Cyprus, the power base of the Church is in decline. And with its decline there will be a new Cyprus rising from the ashes. The future generations of Cyprus are moving slowly away from the Church, and this will cause it its demise. The state can and will facilitate this even more when it segregates itself from religious sects which are a danger to humanity and progress.

Religion is regression personified, and is destructive to the core IMHO

Glad to hear that ! If Cyprus is one day re-unified this religion stuff should be dealt with more firmly.

[Piratis]

Cem, it is obvious that most TCs are not as religious as many in Turkey, and from what I hear they are less religious from many GCs also, thats a good thing.

But would you say that a TC married to a GC would not mind if his/her child was baptized Christian? What about the child having a Greek name?

Paphitis said that religion and language can be a barrier in such inter-marriages and I think this is true and it is a universal issue, not just a Cyprus one.

[Kikapu]

I know Kikapu very well, and I can assure you that he is a TC, democrat and international citizen.

If I ever had the misfortune to experience what he did (i.e being a captive/hostage), then the memories of such experiences would be very vivid indeed.

I doubt whether there are any other TCs on CF who would have had worse experiences than being a captive at Kaimakli.

And the inter communal violence disrupted his life in Cyprus, and it is these troubles that violently uprooted him from his homeland. He is just a big a victim as all the other GC refugees that were uprooted from their homes by the Turkish Army, and yet, he forgives.

The guy has a very big heart, and we see him on CF trying to fight for TC rights and a free and democratic Cyprus. All TCs and GCs really need to look up to him as a role model and humanitarian IMHO!

You question the fact that he is a TC. Perhaps your community does not deserve such a resistance fighter for your cause. We, the GCs are willing to claim him as our own, but I doubt he would want this as all he wants to do is stand up for what is right and ensure that the TCs have a future in Cyprus. Nothing would hurt him more than to see the TC culture being erased from Cyprus. This is what the Turkish Army is achieving and this is what he trying to fight against.

Paphitis,

You understand me very well, so I thank you.!

Others understand me well also, specially the Fascist NeoPartitionist on here, which is what makes them uncomfortable, because they have become part of the established "Culture of Corruption" in the north, just because they themselves have been enjoying the "Spoils of War" with the GCs properties, which many have, even though you do not hear anyone admitting it since they are cowards, which would invalidate all their excuses in wanting a Democratic future Cyprus. Along themselves, also members of their extended families and friends and colleagues have been enjoying the GC properties as well, so they fight me to protect them. Greed has overcome Morality for many in the north, and this is why the resistance by these Morally Corrupted individuals against me, because they understand me only too well, that I cannot be corrupted to accept them as they are, therefore they have only one view, "either you are with us, or against us" mentality, which was no different than TMT really, regardless of Rights and Wrongs. This makes me a threat to them by exposing them to what they are, which makes them uncomfortable with their conscience and subconscious minds, because HARAM is a very BIG taboo in the "Turkish" society, and this is what I remind them of everyday and they don't like it, that they are in fact, Morally Corrupted. The only way to cleanse these Morally corrupted individuals minds is by establishing a True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws for Cyprus and that’s what I’m fighting for, and that’s what will happen in due time, because there is no other alternative to correct the abuses of HARAM by these individuals. Thank God Cyprus is in the EU, or else HARAM and Culture of Corruption would be here to stay forever in the north by contaminating future generations of young TCs minds. I think there is a GOD after all who seems to do things in mysterious ways, and I think one of it’s ways, is in the form of the EU, so to salvage these Morally Corrupted individuals. Amen to that.!

[denizaksulu]

You speak the truth Kiks, but will have a hard time convincing the 'Ganimetçi' element. Apart from the genuine TC refugees, many are comfortable as they are living on stolen properties. A shame really.