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[Get Real!]

I wouldn't take them seriously; there are plenty of decent GCs and TCs on the forum to have meaningful conversation.
You will soon realise who is who etc..

Surely you don’t consider yourself a “decent person to have meaningful conversation with” do you?

...because, I’ve lost count how many times I’ve rubbished your exaggerations, sensationalizing, and downright lies you’ve posted since joining…

[Viewpoint]

Welcome to the forum Alpeis, the GCs giving you a hard time I see, in time you to will understand that GCs think they are 100% right and that TCs are 100% wrong..thats why we will never agree a solution.

[YFred]

I wouldn't take them seriously; there are plenty of decent GCs and TCs on the forum to have meaningful conversation.
You will soon realise who is who etc..

Surely you don’t consider yourself a “decent person to have meaningful conversation with” do you?

...because, I’ve lost count how many times I’ve rubbished your exaggerations, sensationalizing, and downright lies you’ve posted since joining…

He can make his mind up who is and who is not. I am sure he does not need any help from you old chap.

[YFred]

Did I say that I am a Turk?

I am a Turkish citizen and have moved to North Cyprus nearly two years ago.

.... Yes!

Alpeis, please don't add insult to injury by informing Oracle that you are half Greek from Istanbul. She is having difficulty understanding that there are Turkish Citizens that are not Pure Turkish..

[74LB]

Where was your legal and legitimate government and their implementation of human rights when Aysozomeno was surrounded by the relatives of certain members on this forum after 63 about to be slaughtered when Lurucadis went to their rescue. Was TMT in Aysozomeno Bodamya or Dali encouraging the TCs to leave their land and move to Lurucina? Like hell it was.

It looks like mommy & daddy have been lying to you again...

“Next morning a band of 50 armed Turkish Cypriots arrived to escort the 200 survivors of Ayios Sozomenos to the nearest Turkish strongpoint at Louroujina, four miles away.”

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 34,00.html

They felt they would be killed and left everything behind and sought refuge where they could.

They left by their own volition AFTER the gunfight was over because somebody “encouraged” them to…

In the case of Aysozomeno they were surrounded about to be killed. How many houses are there in Aysozomeno now? Why were they flattened? is it covered under GC human rights?

For 45 year old abandoned mud houses they look pretty upright to me...

http://www.panoramio.com/user/823314/ta ... 0SOZOMENOS

Write to N Kizilyurek and ask him why his family moved from Bodamya to Lurucina after 63.

His story will most likely be like yours.... full of lies and deception!

Luckily, this TIME article is testimony of the facts by the first independent reporter on the scene.

Quit fibbing and making a fool of yourself Y-Fronts...

The full article, rather than snippets .........

CYPRUS Death at High Noon One sunny morning last week, a Land-Rover carrying seven Greek Cypriots bounced up the road to the tiny village of Ayios Sozomenos. Though only twelve miles distant from the capital city of Nicosia, the village is centuries away in time. To reach it, one travels four miles along a rutted road off the main asphalt highway and then some two miles over goat trails before the cluster of tile-roofed houses is dis covered crowded between a dry watercourse and a steep mesa of grey rock.

The Greeks say the men in the Land-Rover had intended to turn on a water pump that serves a nearby town, but were ambushed by Turkish Cypriots hidden in the dry riverbed. The Turks charge that the men in the Land-Rover opened fire on the village shepherds, who replied with their shotguns. With two dead and two wounded, the Land-Rover raced out of range, called for help. Greek Cypriots, armed with a variety of weapons, poured from neighboring villages. By noon they had surrounded Ayios Sozomenos and begun a battle that raged for five hours. At last, British troops, assigned the nearly impossible task of keeping the peace between the island's 500,000 Greek and 100,000 Turkish Cypriots, arrived in sufficient force to compel a ceasefire.

Pitchfork Charge. TIME Correspondent Robert Ball watched the fighting from a nearby hillside, then entered the village to see the grisly results. His report: "The bitterest fighting was at the western edge of the village, where the attacking Greeks had the cover of gnarled olive trees. In one mud-brick hut, where nine Turks had taken refuge, a window was blasted by a bazooka-type rocket, and the second floor literally sieved with bullet holes. In desperation, one Turkish shepherd tried to flee to the riverbed, but was cut down a few feet from the door. Another grabbed a pitchfork, made a futile, one-man assault on the Greek position, and was mowed down at once.

"Altogether the Turks lost seven dead and several wounded, but they gave a good account of themselves with their shotguns, killing a total of six of the better-armed Greeks and wounding eleven. Next morning a band of 50 armed Turkish Cypriots arrived to escort the 200 survivors of Ayios Sozomenos to the nearest Turkish strongpoint at Louroujina, four miles away. As the villagers moved silently off with their flocks of sheep and few cattle, one member of the Turkish rescue column pleaded with a British lieutenant, 'Please take the dead to Louroujina. We came to save the living. If you do not take the dead, they will be eaten by dogs.' "

Thats the official version is it? Seven man in a landrover to turn on the water pump. I must have been as strong as 7 men at the age of 12, because I used to turn the water pump on by my self. They can pull the other one, the middle one has bells on it.

I guess its as official as the poster wants it to be

[kurupetos]

Alpeis is an anti-intellectual. He has decided (much like the Peoples of the Middle Ages) that he has to brainwash us into accepting his doctrine .... that he thinks it's better for us to accept his segregationist view than to carry on improving and questioning, as modern day Humans, wishing to restore Law and Order ...

He would have argued that the Earth is FLAT because that is how it LOOKS!

He would have argued that the Sun goes round the Earth ... because that is how it LOOKS ...

He is incapable of adapting ... What a Turk!

Did I say that I am a Turk? I am a Turkish Citizen of Greek origin. Father Greek, mum Turkish.

Now that you revealed your background, you will be hated by every Cypriot! Don't ask why!

[YFred]

Alpeis is an anti-intellectual. He has decided (much like the Peoples of the Middle Ages) that he has to brainwash us into accepting his doctrine .... that he thinks it's better for us to accept his segregationist view than to carry on improving and questioning, as modern day Humans, wishing to restore Law and Order ...

He would have argued that the Earth is FLAT because that is how it LOOKS!

He would have argued that the Sun goes round the Earth ... because that is how it LOOKS ...

He is incapable of adapting ... What a Turk!

Did I say that I am a Turk? I am a Turkish Citizen of Greek origin. Father Greek, mum Turkish.

Now that you revealed your background, you will be hated by every Cypriot! Don't ask why!

Surely not all Cypriots, I suspect mainly by the Hellenes.

[Alpeis]

No matter how anyone behaves I really enjoy the forum. Thanks all of you for your warm welcome.

I am not an authority to judge people, I am not trying to do so either. It just widens my perception of GC's. I already know TC's and many communities around the world since most of my friends were expats (unfortunately no Greeks) from all parts of the world when I was in Turkey.

[Piratis]

Let's take it from the ice age so that we can make better reasonings. The more I am trying to focus on today's reality the more you open the pages of history which even goes back to 300 years ago.

Since you all better know the history, can anyone please explain me on which mountain it was written ENOSIS?

You are not trying to focus on today's reality. Today's reality is that there is an illegal occupation of 1/3rd of Cyprus by Turkey. This is the reality today. What you are trying to do is to use tiny and selective parts of the past in order to excuse your present crimes.

Well my friend if you want to talk about the past, then don't complain when the whole truth is shown to you. And the whole truth clearly shows that the Turks have oppressed the Cypriots for centruries, starting in 1571 and continuing almost non-stop until today, and during this time they killed 10s of thousands of innocent Cypriot people.

The only time that the Turks were not killing and oppressing the Cypriot people were 80 years between 1878 and 1958. For the rest of the time, from 1571 until 1878, and then again from 1958 until 2009, the Turks have systematically oppressed, killed and violated the human rights of the Cypriot people.


- The first attacks. The Turks are the ones who attacked us, not the other way around.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

- The Turkish oppression continued non-stop for the next 300+ years. The Turks were massacuring the Cypriot people whenever the Cypriots showed any desire for freedom

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

- Then merely 80 years after their opressive rule was over, the Turks collaborate with the British Imperialists seeking to regain their Ottoman privilages on the expense of the Cypriot people, starting the inter-communal conflict



- And then in 1974, the Turks are the ones who again initiate the war and invade Cyprus killing 1000s and ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands of innocent people. In their propaganda they claim that they did so in order to "save the poor TCs who were massacred by the evil GCs", but as we all agreed already this is a big fat lie of the Turkish propaganda since no TC was killed in 1974 before the Turkish invasion started. As always it is the Turks who attacked and initiated the war.

So looking in the past what we see is a constant Turkish aggression and attacks against the Cypriot people, and 10s of thousands of innocent Cypriot victims. And yet the Turks are trying to use tiny selective parts of the past as an excuse to continue their crimes and illegalities against Cyprus, by presenting the few 100s of casualties that they had during the conflicts and wars which they started against us!

The only "crime" of Cypriots was that they wanted their self-determination from foreign oppressors so they could decide in a peaceful and democratic way the destiny of their own island. And yes, if Cypriots democratically choose Cyprus could be part of the Greek Republic, just like it happened with all other Greek islands which gradually united with Greece. How could it be OK for Cyprus to be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of the Cypriot people and with Cypriots being subjects of those foreign empires imposed on them, but not OK for Cypus to be part of a Republic that the Cypriots themselves choose to be part of, and where they would be equal citizens?

There was absolutely no problem with that, and this is in fact supported by the UN Resolution about decolonization which clearly states that "integration into an independent State" is one of the "three legitimate options of full self-government"
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

What the problem was is that the Turks could not accept democracy and self-determination for Cyprus, and they instead collaborated with the British and attacked Cypriots with the aim to yet again restrict the freedom of the Cypriot people and gain Ottoman style privileges on our expense.

Therefore it is time that you accept the present reality, that the occupation of Cyprus by Turkey is illegal and inexcusable, and stop trying looking for tiny selective parts of the past in order to excuse your present crimes and illegalities against our island. Of course you can try looking in the past for excuses, but your lame excuses will be trashed when the whole historical truth is presented. This is why you can not win a case in the ECHR or ECJ. You might have the big guns and the power, but justice is on our side, and no amount of distorted and selectively chosen history can change this.

[wyoming cowboy]

Piratis,as always good post. If this solution comes through like all are hoping and predicting. Is it possible that the Turk cyps will accept a federal republic where 1 man =1 vote. Or do you think Greek cyps will accept a 14% minority dictating to the central government how to conduct itself..who are we fooling here?

Let's take it from the ice age so that we can make better reasonings. The more I am trying to focus on today's reality the more you open the pages of history which even goes back to 300 years ago.

Since you all better know the history, can anyone please explain me on which mountain it was written ENOSIS?

You are not trying to focus on today's reality. Today's reality is that there is an illegal occupation of 1/3rd of Cyprus by Turkey. This is the reality today. What you are trying to do is to use tiny and selective parts of the past in order to excuse your present crimes.

Well my friend if you want to talk about the past, then don't complain when the whole truth is shown to you. And the whole truth clearly shows that the Turks have oppressed the Cypriots for centruries, starting in 1571 and continuing almost non-stop until today, and during this time they killed 10s of thousands of innocent Cypriot people.

The only time that the Turks were not killing and oppressing the Cypriot people were 80 years between 1878 and 1958. For the rest of the time, from 1571 until 1878, and then again from 1958 until 2009, the Turks have systematically oppressed, killed and violated the human rights of the Cypriot people.


- The first attacks. The Turks are the ones who attacked us, not the other way around.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

- The Turkish oppression continued non-stop for the next 300+ years. The Turks were massacuring the Cypriot people whenever the Cypriots showed any desire for freedom

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

- Then merely 80 years after their opressive rule was over, the Turks collaborate with the British Imperialists seeking to regain their Ottoman privilages on the expense of the Cypriot people, starting the inter-communal conflict



- And then in 1974, the Turks are the ones who again initiate the war and invade Cyprus killing 1000s and ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands of innocent people. In their propaganda they claim that they did so in order to "save the poor TCs who were massacred by the evil GCs", but as we all agreed already this is a big fat lie of the Turkish propaganda since no TC was killed in 1974 before the Turkish invasion started. As always it is the Turks who attacked and initiated the war.

So looking in the past what we see is a constant Turkish aggression and attacks against the Cypriot people, and 10s of thousands of innocent Cypriot victims. And yet the Turks are trying to use tiny selective parts of the past as an excuse to continue their crimes and illegalities against Cyprus, by presenting the few 100s of casualties that they had during the conflicts and wars which they started against us!

The only "crime" of Cypriots was that they wanted their self-determination from foreign oppressors so they could decide in a peaceful and democratic way the destiny of their own island. And yes, if Cypriots democratically choose Cyprus could be part of the Greek Republic, just like it happened with all other Greek islands which gradually united with Greece. How could it be OK for Cyprus to be part of the Ottoman or British empires against the will of the Cypriot people and with Cypriots being subjects of those foreign empires imposed on them, but not OK for Cypus to be part of a Republic that the Cypriots themselves choose to be part of, and where they would be equal citizens?

There was absolutely no problem with that, and this is in fact supported by the UN Resolution about decolonization which clearly states that "integration into an independent State" is one of the "three legitimate options of full self-government"
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

What the problem was is that the Turks could not accept democracy and self-determination for Cyprus, and they instead collaborated with the British and attacked Cypriots with the aim to yet again restrict the freedom of the Cypriot people and gain Ottoman style privileges on our expense.