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[humanist]

Thank you Oracles I was trying to be a little more politically correct but with some people you need to be straight up front......

[Viewpoint]

yes well we see who is discriminating towards whom ...... last time I checked TC's were able to live in any part of the Island and claim their properties by a very simple procedure. Las time I checked no GC is allowed to reclaim their property in the occupied area and certainly the process to stop your lot from selling GC property ,there would have had to be human rights court involvement.

You to may live in any part of this island and have a right to claim your property through the property commission board.

[Oracle]

Thank you Oracles I was trying to be a little more politically correct but with some people you need to be straight up front......

Say anything you like to the Turks ... they only hear what they want!

[Piratis]

Go research the deaths of TCs from 1963 to 1974...anniahaltion was a threat we could not leave to chance we fought for survival just like any other human being.

During the inter-communal conflict (which was started by the TCs in 1958) there were some 100s of deaths for both GCs and TCs. You call this "annihilation" threat? Annihilation thread was when the Ottomans killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone within days when they first invaded Cyprus. Or the many 1000s of GCs that were killed during the span of a few weeks in 1974. Some 100s of people dying over the span of several years is an amount less than the people that die in Cyprus today in road accidents!

So don't try to exaggerate your casualties and suffering in order to excuse yet more crimes against us. The fact is that your casualties and suffering is a drop in the ocean compared to what you have caused to us. Another fact is that neither you or us would have any casualties if you didn't initiate wars and conflicts against us with the aim to deprive us from freedom and democracy and have Ottoman style gains on our expense.

1 or 1000 makes no difference thats what you choose to ignore as it suits your goal, the fear was placed in the hearts of the TCs for 11 whole years leading upto a point where the coup was just the last drop of continous degrading, discrimination and fight for survival....something had to give and it was the intervention, which was is a legal right of Turkey to restore law and order....which we have to this day not achieved. You had a chnace to build a united "RoC" you blew it as you threw away the heart of a new baby and 37% of this island the rest is history.

Of course 1 or a 1000 makes a difference. 1000 murders is exactly 1000 times worst than 1. Or maybe you thought that the genocides of millions you committed (e.g. Armenians) count as much as the murder of one person?

Still, none of those people would have to die if the Turks did not start wars and conflicts in order to deprive the Cypriot people from their freedom and self-determination.

The invasion by Turkey and the occupation are illegal, and you will continue to suffer the consequences of your crimes until you return the land you illegally occupy to their rightful owners.

[halil]

14 Eylül 1974 tarihinde (2. Harekattan 1 ay sonra) Babamın esir kampından, anneme ‘555’ Sigara kartonlarının o dönemdeki ambalaj kağıtlarının bir parçası ile yolladığı mektup. Bu parçadan, orjinal kağıdın 3’e bölünüp, üç esir arasında paylaşıldığını anlamak mümkün:

date:14 september 1974 (a month later than seconed operation) a letter from my father to my mother.It was writen on 555 cigaratte cartoon. cartoon was divided in 3 .Properly 3 prisoners used this cartoon to send letter to their families.

“Canımın İçi Biricik Eşim ve Yavrularım, Hasretinizle yanıp kavrulurken size doğru dürüst bu mektubu yazmaya fırsat buldum. Siz de bana doğru dürüst açık mektup yazınız ve korkmayınız elime gizli geçecek.

Dear my loved ones .... i am desperatly dying to get news from u .I got a chance to write this letter to u. İ would like to get a letter from u .write everything ...do not scare to write .your answere will reach me secretly .


Bana £5 da mektupla gönderin ve Kasabalı Cavit Osman Karamanlis’e ve bu arkadaşla bana gönderin. Çocuklara iyi bak. Onlara eksikliğimi hissettirme. Hep çocuklarımızı benim tarafımdan defalarca öp. Filiz’ciği bu gece rüyamda gördüm.

Send me £5 with this letter.Send me this from a man Kasaba Cavit Osman Karamanlis. Look after well our kids. Don't make them to feel my ubsent.Kiss our kids for me .Last night i saw our doughter Filiz in my dream .


Bizi serbest bıraktıklarında zannedersem Lefkoşa’ya götürecekler ve oradan da sizi oraya ya aratacağım veya gelip alacağım. Artık orada Taksim bölgesine yerleşeceğiz. Bana haber yazınız. Dişarıda ne olur ne kalır? Radyolar ne der? Açıkça yazınız ve korkmayınız. Bana mektupla beraber £5 gönderin. Lefkoşaya gidersek lazım eder. Hem de parasız kaldım. Alper gidip Cavit’i bulsun ve versin. O bize gönderir. Evimiz, eşyamız nasıl? Tamam mı? Bana yazınız. Hepinize selamlar. Erol”

When they freed us i am hoping they will take us to Nicosia . I might bring u over here or i will come and get u. From now on we will live over there in divided side. Write na news for me .Whats happening at outside .What the radios says .Don't scare to write everything clearly.Send me £5 with letter. If we goto Nicosia we might need . I have no money at all.
Alper must go and find cavit and give the letter to him.He will send us.
How is our home ? How is our belongings? Are they all ok.write to me all about.
many greetings to all of u .
EROL.
http://www.gurol.info/index_files/Page549.htm

next letter will translate later on.

22 Eylül 1974 tarihinde Yereşibu Esir Kampı’nda esir olarak bulunan babamın anneme 555 sigara kartonlarının ambalajlandığı kağıt üzerine yazdığı mektup:

date 22 september 1974 a letter from yeresibu prison camp. again letter was written on 555 cigaretta cartoon.

”Sevgili Eşim ve Çocuklarım, Gönderdiğiniz son elbiseleri ve £ 3’yı (KL) aldım. Ama ben size zipli (fermuarlı) bir çanta veya küçük valiz haber ettim. Yollamadınız. Sonra gönderiğin pantolonun arkası erimiş. Buradaki de eskidir. Onun için bana Filiz’in valizine, bir kat kışlık elbise, Mehmedin o paltolonunu şu Ayten verdi. Kıravat ve bir de beyaz sivil gömlek koyunuz ve ilk fırsatta gönderiniz.

Dear wife and my kids, I got the £ 3 and clothes that u send me . but i have asked u a bag with zip and little luggage which u did not send me .
the trouser u send me has worn off . This one is also old too. In to Filiz luggage put winter dress and also Mehmets trouser which is Ayten was given. Also send me tie and white civilian shirt .whenever u get the apportinity send me .


Ben Allah isterse 26.9.74 tarihine kadar Lefkoşaya gidiyorum. Gidince ekim ayının 10’una kadar, sizleri de getirecem. Dikkatli olunuz. 4 büyük valize kadar hakkınız vardır getiresiniz. Size haber saldığımda bu 4 valizi veya bir valiz yerine o polis sandığını şunlarla doldurunuz.

If god(allah) wants in 26.9.74 date i will goto Nicosia . When i arrive over there till 10 october i will bring u over here. Becarefull.
u have a rights to bring up to 4 luggages. when i send u message these 4 luggages or standoff 1 luggage bring that police packing case. In this police luggage put this ones.


Tüm ailenin giyim eşyası ve potinler (ayakkabılar), benim bütün elbise potinler ve polis elbiseleri şapka ile. Çarşaflar yatak zarları (yastık kılıfları) velhasıl ailenin bütün kullanacağı elbise işlerini alırsınız. Gerçi daha ne olacağı belli değil ama ne söylerlerse yapacağız. İhtimal eşyaları da müsade ederler ve getirirsiz.

All the family dresses and shoes, my police uniform and cap. all the family needs. Nothing is clear yet but what ever says we wil do it . There is a possibilities they might let to bring furnitures if it is we will bring them as well .

İhtimal ben de geleyim ve taşınalım. Evi iyice kilikleyiniz geri kalacak eşyalar kilitli olsun. Belki yine Lefkoşadan da haberleşiriz. İstediğim valize istediğim elbiseleri koy ve tez tez bana gönder.

There is a possibility i might come to help our move . Lock the doors properly . All the belongings we let at back must be locked well. The dresses i asked put into luggage and send me.

Alper ile baban kahvelere çıksınçok fırsat vardır bana gönderiniz. Şayet 23.9.74 de beni buradan kaldırırlarsa ve valizi sonra gönderirsiniz size geri getirecekler. Bu fırsatı nasıl kaçırdınız 2 naylon çanta ile bıraktınız ve hep yazlık elbise ile. Ayrıca o Londra hırgasını (kazak) (düğmeliyi) de gönderiniz. Hepinize bol bol selam. Şen ve esen kalınız. Erol”


Alper and your dad must goto coffee shops when ever they get the possibility they can send me the things.
If they moves me away from here at 23.9.74 .the luggage u send me will come u back. how u missed this apportinity u left me with summer dresses.

send me cadirgan which one has got buttones on .
many greetings .
Erol.
http://www.gurol.info/index_files/Page549.htm

[Viewpoint]

Go research the deaths of TCs from 1963 to 1974...anniahaltion was a threat we could not leave to chance we fought for survival just like any other human being.

During the inter-communal conflict (which was started by the TCs in 1958) there were some 100s of deaths for both GCs and TCs. You call this "annihilation" threat? Annihilation thread was when the Ottomans killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone within days when they first invaded Cyprus. Or the many 1000s of GCs that were killed during the span of a few weeks in 1974. Some 100s of people dying over the span of several years is an amount less than the people that die in Cyprus today in road accidents!



So don't try to exaggerate your casualties and suffering in order to excuse yet more crimes against us. The fact is that your casualties and suffering is a drop in the ocean compared to what you have caused to us. Another fact is that neither you or us would have any casualties if you didn't initiate wars and conflicts against us with the aim to deprive us from freedom and democracy and have Ottoman style gains on our expense.

1 or 1000 makes no difference thats what you choose to ignore as it suits your goal, the fear was placed in the hearts of the TCs for 11 whole years leading upto a point where the coup was just the last drop of continous degrading, discrimination and fight for survival....something had to give and it was the intervention, which was is a legal right of Turkey to restore law and order....which we have to this day not achieved. You had a chnace to build a united "RoC" you blew it as you threw away the heart of a new baby and 37% of this island the rest is history.

Of course 1 or a 1000 makes a difference. 1000 murders is exactly 1000 times worst than 1. Or maybe you thought that the genocides of millions you committed (e.g. Armenians) count as much as the murder of one person?

Still, none of those people would have to die if the Turks did not start wars and conflicts in order to deprive the Cypriot people from their freedom and self-determination.

The invasion by Turkey and the occupation are illegal, and you will continue to suffer the consequences of your crimes until you return the land you illegally occupy to their rightful owners.

We are happy to "suffer" a 1000 times worse conditions as long as we do nto have to be a minority in a GC state run by GCs, when will you get that in your head and understand that your empty chants do not mean a thing and that we will always disagree thats why there will never be a solution.

[Get Real!]

Dear wife and my kids, I got the £ 3 and clothes that u send me . but i have asked u a bag with zip and little luggage which u did not send me .
the trouser u send me has worn off . This one is also old too. In to Filiz luggage put winter dress and also Mehmets trouser which is Ayten was given. Also send me tie and white civilian shirt .whenever u get the apportinity send me .

What's all this 2-cent crap you've posted Halil?

It sounds like they were having a ball compared to us...

Start using your brain before you post any more of this Brazilian soap rubbish...

[humanist]

VP

You to may live in any part of this island and have a right to claim your property through the property commission board.

Firstly I do not think that I need to apply for anything that I own to get it back from the thief that took it

Secondly there is no such thing as property commission board.

Thirdly I will not support violations of human rights by living under a military and occupation regime

Lastly I will not support the regime that took a family members life

and in addition to that there is no way on earth I will live somewhere that is not recognised by anyone in the world

[YFred]

VP

You to may live in any part of this island and have a right to claim your property through the property commission board.

Firstly I do not think that I need to apply for anything that I own to get it back from the thief that took it

Secondly there is no such thing as property commission board.

Thirdly I will not support violations of human rights by living under a military and occupation regime

Lastly I will not support the regime that took a family members life

and in addition to that there is no way on earth I will live somewhere that is not recognised by anyone in the world

Humanist, and there lies the hypocrisy because you support RoC. How many families' members’ lives did they take? How many TCs have applied to get their land back from those who stole it? You must be wearing a very heavily tinted shade of Hellenic specs tonight.

[wyoming cowboy]

The only reason there is no solution to the problem of cyprus is Turkey's occuppation army. Discrimination and intention of racist method, are only evident in the actions of the Turks in general including Turk cyp. Not allowing me as a refugee to return to my property is a violation of my rights, today, not in 64, 67 or 74 but TODAY. as stated numerous times in European Courts. The Turk cyps have the freedom to their properties, at any time of their choosing..Referring me to an illegal regimes commission to decide for me about my property is not, legal in a democratic western society. I CHOOSE WHAT I WILL DO WITH MY PROPERTY, not a commission.

Go research the deaths of TCs from 1963 to 1974...anniahaltion was a threat we could not leave to chance we fought for survival just like any other human being.

During the inter-communal conflict (which was started by the TCs in 1958) there were some 100s of deaths for both GCs and TCs. You call this "annihilation" threat? Annihilation thread was when the Ottomans killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone within days when they first invaded Cyprus. Or the many 1000s of GCs that were killed during the span of a few weeks in 1974. Some 100s of people dying over the span of several years is an amount less than the people that die in Cyprus today in road accidents!



So don't try to exaggerate your casualties and suffering in order to excuse yet more crimes against us. The fact is that your casualties and suffering is a drop in the ocean compared to what you have caused to us. Another fact is that neither you or us would have any casualties if you didn't initiate wars and conflicts against us with the aim to deprive us from freedom and democracy and have Ottoman style gains on our expense.

1 or 1000 makes no difference thats what you choose to ignore as it suits your goal, the fear was placed in the hearts of the TCs for 11 whole years leading upto a point where the coup was just the last drop of continous degrading, discrimination and fight for survival....something had to give and it was the intervention, which was is a legal right of Turkey to restore law and order....which we have to this day not achieved. You had a chnace to build a united "RoC" you blew it as you threw away the heart of a new baby and 37% of this island the rest is history.

Of course 1 or a 1000 makes a difference. 1000 murders is exactly 1000 times worst than 1. Or maybe you thought that the genocides of millions you committed (e.g. Armenians) count as much as the murder of one person?

Still, none of those people would have to die if the Turks did not start wars and conflicts in order to deprive the Cypriot people from their freedom and self-determination.

The invasion by Turkey and the occupation are illegal, and you will continue to suffer the consequences of your crimes until you return the land you illegally occupy to their rightful owners.

We are happy to "suffer" a 1000 times worse conditions as long as we do nto have to be a minority in a GC state run by GCs, when will you get that in your head and understand that your empty chants do not mean a thing and that we will always disagree thats why there will never be a solution.