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[halil]

14 Eylül 1974 tarihinde (2. Harekattan 1 ay sonra) Babamın esir kampından, anneme ‘555’ Sigara kartonlarının o dönemdeki ambalaj kağıtlarının bir parçası ile yolladığı mektup. Bu parçadan, orjinal kağıdın 3’e bölünüp, üç esir arasında paylaşıldığını anlamak mümkün:

date:14 september 1974 (a month later than seconed operation) a letter from my father to my mother.It was writen on 555 cigaratte cartoon. cartoon was divided in 3 .Properly 3 prisoners used this cartoon to send letter to their families.

“Canımın İçi Biricik Eşim ve Yavrularım, Hasretinizle yanıp kavrulurken size doğru dürüst bu mektubu yazmaya fırsat buldum. Siz de bana doğru dürüst açık mektup yazınız ve korkmayınız elime gizli geçecek.

Dear my loved ones .... i am desperatly dying to get news from u .I got a chance to write this letter to u. İ would like to get a letter from u .write everything ...do not scare to write .your answere will reach me secretly .


Bana £5 da mektupla gönderin ve Kasabalı Cavit Osman Karamanlis’e ve bu arkadaşla bana gönderin. Çocuklara iyi bak. Onlara eksikliğimi hissettirme. Hep çocuklarımızı benim tarafımdan defalarca öp. Filiz’ciği bu gece rüyamda gördüm.

Send me £5 with this letter.Send me this from a man Kasaba Cavit Osman Karamanlis. Look after well our kids. Don't make them to feel my ubsent.Kiss our kids for me .Last night i saw our doughter Filiz in my dream .


Bizi serbest bıraktıklarında zannedersem Lefkoşa’ya götürecekler ve oradan da sizi oraya ya aratacağım veya gelip alacağım. Artık orada Taksim bölgesine yerleşeceğiz. Bana haber yazınız. Dişarıda ne olur ne kalır? Radyolar ne der? Açıkça yazınız ve korkmayınız. Bana mektupla beraber £5 gönderin. Lefkoşaya gidersek lazım eder. Hem de parasız kaldım. Alper gidip Cavit’i bulsun ve versin. O bize gönderir. Evimiz, eşyamız nasıl? Tamam mı? Bana yazınız. Hepinize selamlar. Erol”

When they freed us i am hoping they will take us to Nicosia . I might bring u over here or i will come and get u. From now on we will live over there in divided side. Write na news for me .Whats happening at outside .What the radios says .Don't scare to write everything clearly.Send me £5 with letter. If we goto Nicosia we might need . I have no money at all.
Alper must go and find cavit and give the letter to him.He will send us.
How is our home ? How is our belongings? Are they all ok.write to me all about.
many greetings to all of u .
EROL.
http://www.gurol.info/index_files/Page549.htm

next letter will translate later on.

[bill cobbett]

14 Eylül 1974 tarihinde (2. Harekattan 1 ay sonra) Babamın esir kampından, anneme ‘555’ Sigara kartonlarının o dönemdeki ambalaj kağıtlarının bir parçası ile yolladığı mektup. Bu parçadan, orjinal kağıdın 3’e bölünüp, üç esir arasında paylaşıldığını anlamak mümkün:

date:14 september 1974 (a month later than seconed operation) a letter from my father to my mother.It was writen on 555 cigaratte cartoon. cartoon was divided in 3 .Properly 3 prisoners used this cartoon to send letter to their families.

“Canımın İçi Biricik Eşim ve Yavrularım, Hasretinizle yanıp kavrulurken size doğru dürüst bu mektubu yazmaya fırsat buldum. Siz de bana doğru dürüst açık mektup yazınız ve korkmayınız elime gizli geçecek.

Dear my loved ones .... i am desperatly dying to get news from u .I got a chance to write this letter to u. İ would like to get a letter from u .write everything ...do not scare to write .your answere will reach me secretly .


Bana £5 da mektupla gönderin ve Kasabalı Cavit Osman Karamanlis’e ve bu arkadaşla bana gönderin. Çocuklara iyi bak. Onlara eksikliğimi hissettirme. Hep çocuklarımızı benim tarafımdan defalarca öp. Filiz’ciği bu gece rüyamda gördüm.

Send me £5 with this letter.Send me this from a man Kasaba Cavit Osman Karamanlis. Look after well our kids. Don't make them to feel my ubsent.Kiss our kids for me .Last night i saw our doughter Filiz in my dream .


Bizi serbest bıraktıklarında zannedersem Lefkoşa’ya götürecekler ve oradan da sizi oraya ya aratacağım veya gelip alacağım. Artık orada Taksim bölgesine yerleşeceğiz. Bana haber yazınız. Dişarıda ne olur ne kalır? Radyolar ne der? Açıkça yazınız ve korkmayınız. Bana mektupla beraber £5 gönderin. Lefkoşaya gidersek lazım eder. Hem de parasız kaldım. Alper gidip Cavit’i bulsun ve versin. O bize gönderir. Evimiz, eşyamız nasıl? Tamam mı? Bana yazınız. Hepinize selamlar. Erol”

When they freed us i am hoping they will take us to Nicosia . I might bring u over here or i will come and get u. From now on we will live over there in divided side. Write na news for me .Whats happening at outside .What the radios says .Don't scare to write everything clearly.Send me £5 with letter. If we goto Nicosia we might need . I have no money at all.
Alper must go and find cavit and give the letter to him.He will send us.
How is our home ? How is our belongings? Are they all ok.write to me all about.
many greetings to all of u .
EROL.
http://www.gurol.info/index_files/Page549.htm

next letter will translate later on.

This chap was a lucky bastard, fed and watered and looked after by The Red Cross even to the extent of being able to send mail. All pretty luxurious.

In the interlude, while we wait for the Propagandist Halil to concoct another translation perhaps you'll allow me to remind you of the plight of some of the less fortunate 150,000 civilian CYs forced from their homes, ethnically cleansed by the Barbarically Hideous Turkish Army.

The situation in the village of Achna, which as all will know, borders the Eastern SBA, who were forced from their homes at gunpoint under threat of death and rapings and together with thousands of refugees travelling south from the Karpas were barred, were stopped, by the GB authorities from entering the SBA and finding the safety and human kindness they so seperately needed and were forced to find cover from that Summer sun under the forest and trees in and around Achna.

So mate with the 555 carton and the luxury to write home my sympathies. I hope you were reunited with your loved ones but I must remind those Propagandists who tell us of your story that by any standards, by any scale of human suffering, it was those who fled the Turkish Army, an army that many here, to their eternal damnation, I know welcomed with open arms and flowers, who really are the victims.

[humanist]

no-cypriot

Hi to all this is my first post.
After listening to my Turkish cypriot girlfriend's stories on Cyprus i decided to do some research to see what's the Cyprus problem all about. I have always been aware that some serious political/cultural problems riddled the isle but was ignorant to the full scale of the matter till i started dating my Tc girlfriend 3 years ago. I'v done weeks of reading reports,historical facts and documents. i have spoken to people from both communities young and old, and my final conclusion is that Turks should go, take their settlers and leave cypriots both Turkish and Greek to try and heal the wounds from the past and together build a strong country on this awesome resourceful isle. But then again I'm just an outsider and things are always a lot more sensitive through the eyes of those involved, however it seems pretty clear to me that Cyprus should be for the Cypriots regardless who the ancestors where. Cypriot identity should prevail over Greek and Turkish. I know its a cliché easily elaborated by people alien to the country and things are a lot more complex, but i have found that there is a solid cultural common ground shared by GC's and TC's and maybe once the invading forces were out of the way, all Cypriots could try to put the past behind and build towards the future. It would never be an easy path but surely it has to be worthwhile.

Welcome to the forum, I share both yours and your girlfriend's sentiments on the Cypro. And as you have seen many others particularly some TC's and Turks do not.

Good luck on here mate

[humanist]

bill-cobett

This chap was a lucky bastard, fed and watered and looked after by The Red Cross even to the extent of being able to send mail. All pretty luxurious.

In the interlude, while we wait for the Propagandist Halil to concoct another translation perhaps you'll allow me to remind you of the plight of some of the less fortunate 150,000 civilian CYs forced from their homes, ethnically cleansed by the Barbarically Hideous Turkish Army.

The situation in the village of Achna, which as all will know, borders the Eastern SBA, who were forced from their homes at gunpoint under threat of death and rapings and together with thousands of refugees travelling south from the Karpas were barred, were stopped, by the GB authorities from entering the SBA and finding the safety and human kindness they so seperately needed and were forced to find cover from that Summer sun under the forest and trees in and around Achna.

So mate with the 555 carton and the luxury to write home my sympathies. I hope you were reunited with your loved ones but I must remind those Propagandists who tell us of your story that by any standards, by any scale of human suffering, it was those who fled the Turkish Army, an army that many here, to their eternal damnation, I know welcomed with open arms and flowers, who really are the victims.

very sucinctly written, bill ........ thank you

and then halil got upset that I didn't take up his offer to meet with him when I came to Cyprus in 2007 and crossed over to the occupied areas...... go figure?

[Viewpoint]

Unfortunately VP its your people who didnt know what they were signing...The establishment of a Democratic Republic IMPLIES that majority rules...as long as civil rights are safeguarded. Even if it wasnt specified in the written constitution the majority has these rights. For instance if a speed limit sign is knocked down it doesnt mean that one can drive as fast as they want.. If the vast majority Greek cyps wanted to amend the constitution it was inwithin their implied rights as a majority to do so. None of the 13 points were detrimental to the rights of the Turkish cyps..Make sure your people read it this time very well....

What rights are you talking about, you have freedoms you cannot see yourself giving to the Greek cypriots, can a GC go and live on his land like you can. Does a GC try and take away your dignity and civil rights by keeping a foreign occuppyer on his lands. Your people need to sstop insisting on taking away the rights of the majority...Your people have been insisting on equal political power since the beginning that is more a violation of the rights of the GC then anything they have ever done to the Turkis cypriots...We live in a democratic representative republic and want to keep it like that....Not where 15% of the population will get to dictate to the majority....if you think the GC will acccept such a deal you are stupid, actually you are stupid because you thought the GC would accept the Fascist Annan plan....

Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.

Read your own constitution you will see our rights there...with your signature on it, sorry forgot you renegged on that one, which does not make you a trustworthy partner as you could do the same again, thats why we demand safeguards and guarantees to make you stick to what you agree.

And this is exactly where our blood runs cold, entrusting our future solely to the majority namely the GCs. They are not to be trusted unless safeguards and guarantees do not allow them to manipulate democracy and human rights to a degree where the minority are placed in danger or discriminated against, we will never capitulate to the GC ideology thats this is a GC island and we are just another minority, like it or not you have signed an international agreement and the world will make sure you do not brush it to one side as it contains our rights, give them back and take your land under a BBF with political equality of the 2 states.

[humanist]

VP .... you don't have to worry about any ideology that Cyprus is a Greek Island last time I was there it felt more Sri Lankan than anything else buddy

[Viewpoint]

Go research the deaths of TCs from 1963 to 1974...anniahaltion was a threat we could not leave to chance we fought for survival just like any other human being.

During the inter-communal conflict (which was started by the TCs in 1958) there were some 100s of deaths for both GCs and TCs. You call this "annihilation" threat? Annihilation thread was when the Ottomans killed 20.000 people in Nicosia alone within days when they first invaded Cyprus. Or the many 1000s of GCs that were killed during the span of a few weeks in 1974. Some 100s of people dying over the span of several years is an amount less than the people that die in Cyprus today in road accidents!

So don't try to exaggerate your casualties and suffering in order to excuse yet more crimes against us. The fact is that your casualties and suffering is a drop in the ocean compared to what you have caused to us. Another fact is that neither you or us would have any casualties if you didn't initiate wars and conflicts against us with the aim to deprive us from freedom and democracy and have Ottoman style gains on our expense.

1 or 1000 makes no difference thats what you choose to ignore as it suits your goal, the fear was placed in the hearts of the TCs for 11 whole years leading upto a point where the coup was just the last drop of continous degrading, discrimination and fight for survival....something had to give and it was the intervention, which was is a legal right of Turkey to restore law and order....which we have to this day not achieved. You had a chnace to build a united "RoC" you blew it as you threw away the heart of a new baby and 37% of this island the rest is history.

[Viewpoint]

VP .... you don't have to worry about any ideology that Cyprus is a Greek Island last time I was there it felt more Sri Lankan than anything else buddy

Good luck to you in 63% of the island with whom ever you want, now you can discriminate degrade and use them as cheap labour...as long as you stay away from me and mine.

[humanist]

yes well we see who is discriminating towards whom ...... last time I checked TC's were able to live in any part of the Island and claim their properties by a very simple procedure. Las time I checked no GC is allowed to reclaim their property in the occupied area and certainly the process to stop your lot from selling GC property ,there would have had to be human rights court involvement.

[Oracle]

...as long as you stay away from me and mine.

You are welcome to what is 'truly yours' .... What you are NOT welcome to is the 40% of Cyprus which you have stolen from the Cypriots.

Give it back and get lost Turk!