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[halil]

letters from the Turkish Cypriots to their families .... from prison camps....

Halil, where were these prison camps in 74? Thats the date on these letters. Was this prison camp you speak off by any chance the British bases where the TC's went to while waiting for the move to the north?

Letters are send from Geroskipou prison camp .

owner of the letters published a book also .

http://www.gurol.info/index_files/Page421.htm

[halil]

In his book also gives details from Paphos are where paphos Turks are settled now in north.
http://www.gurol.info/index_files/Page2798.htm

[DT.]

Sorry but what prison camp kept him in SEPTEMBER 1974? I can't find any reference on his site for yeroskipou and who was in charge of this camp.

[wallace]

Sorry but what prison camp kept him in SEPTEMBER 1974? I can't find any reference on his site for yeroskipou and who was in charge of this camp.

The usual propaganda shit

[halil]

Sorry but what prison camp kept him in SEPTEMBER 1974? I can't find any reference on his site for yeroskipou and who was in charge of this camp.

I will read all his writings DT and find more information . Also what was all letters about . I am off now .

[Oracle]

Sorry but what prison camp kept him in SEPTEMBER 1974? I can't find any reference on his site for yeroskipou and who was in charge of this camp.

I will read all his writings DT and find more information . Also what was all letters about . I am off now .

Well done DT.

[Kuruovali]

Dear non- cypriot,

Yes, you are right peace will benefit both sides. With peace the TC kids will be able to grow up with hope rather then despair. With peace most GC's (most) will get back their properties or compensation. In 2004 the UN put forth their plan (backed by the EU) aimed at resolving the Cyprus dispute. Have you read about this plan?

K

Yes i have, and i think that the plan had the potential to make things even worse. The plan was being emended just 24 hours before the voting took place. it seemed to me wrong in so many ways but mainly because it gave the Turks the right to have troops stationed and intervene militarily, not to mention constitutional rights. as i said on my previous posts, i'm of the opinion that if there is going to be a plan that works, it can only evolve Cypriots meaning that all turks must go unconditionally. And maybe, just maybe with the Turks gone the air would clear and ... that is if both sides could find the strength to bury all the hate and bad blood.


"both communities could once again live together in peace"

Coming out with the comment above it is so evident that you know very little about the history of Cyprus. If your statement was true then i doubt that we would be in the position that we currently are.
You are falling into the same trap that a lot of outsiders do and that is to fall for the simple line that somehow all of our problems began in 1974 when one day Turkey woke up with an erection and decided to invade little Cyprus. This is the line that the GC's have stuck with ever since 1974 and continue to do so because it suits them not to talk about the events pre 74.

I suggest you do some thorough research and speak especially to the generation who experienced daily life in Cyprus pre 74.

The Turkish troops as i've said before they will go if and when a settlement is found and not before. As for the settlers some will go but then we also need to ask the same question about those who have settled in the south which including the Russians and Greeks from Anatolia and other parts of the middle east and Greek islands probably outnumber the Turkish Cypriots. So let's not forget about their settlers because legal or not in my opinion it is the GC's attempt at changing the demographics of the island in their favour. This is why for us the whole settler issue is a bit of a red hearing. You need to understand this.

K

I have read allot about the pre 1974 events and have spoken to the people that experienced them. For instance, a few months ago i drove my future Tc father in law that is in his 70,s to visit his Gc best friend also in his 70,s to drop off some olive oil that he bought back from Cyprus. Both these men experienced fist hand the unfortunate events pre 1974. I understand that both communities did live quietly side by side before troubles started and once again it was foreigns who fueled up things, at that stage the British. One example is that when Gc's started revolting against colonial forces, the British created an all Tc police force to fight Gc rebels and that is clearly putting 2 communities at war with each other. Then again it is the past and as relevant as it might be be, it appears clear to me that there is no chance of you all achieving peace and unification if its not put aside.
As for the settlers, the 1949 article 49 section III of the Geneva convention clearly states that an occupying power can not transfer parts of its own civilization onto the lands they occupy. Also the the presence of the the settlers would be an obstacle to a peace process evan though i do feel for the people that would have to leave after living in the land for 30 odd years, but i see them as victims of circumstances and in this case Cypriots come first.
However K, as i said in the beginning I'm opened to be educated. Do you not foresee A Cyprus peacefully ran by Cypriots only as one sovereign state? There has to be a glimpse of hope somewhere. I come from a peaceful country but i did serve 2 years in Kosovo and saw 2 ethnic groups once good neighbors and friends at each others necks and one lesson i did learn and that is that the people on the ground are all good. it the ones with power that corrupt them by using them as instruments to achieve their means...

non-cypriot,
to answer your question about a sovereign state no as it currently stands I do not foresee Cyprus as one soveriegn state run peacefully as Cypriots. There is a very good reason for this and if you had researched fully as you claim you have then you would understand why. Why after indepence in 1960 the GC's did everything they could to take full control of the island and destroy the rights of the TC's which was enshrined within the constitution (don't even want to talk about Enosis).

Once again you are falling for the same line that somehow it was the foriegn powers which started the mess in the first place. Just as the GC's hope the world believes their version of the Cyprus problem begining in 1974 this is just another one of the excuses at diverting from the source of the problem. Everyone else is guilty other then then the GC's. The problem we have on our hands now is that we have a whole generation of GC's born with the belief that the current 'Cyprus problem' has come about from the action of everyone else other then their own. The sooner the GC's start to address this the sooner the chances of a successful settlement.

For the time being I see two states working side by side with every effort made to work together and eradicate past hostilities and eventually to win trust and goodwill. Now only when this happens the soil may then be fertile for some sort of intergration with the consent/agreement on both sides. This will not happen overnight.


K

[Piratis]

Dear non- cypriot,

Yes, you are right peace will benefit both sides. With peace the TC kids will be able to grow up with hope rather then despair. With peace most GC's (most) will get back their properties or compensation. In 2004 the UN put forth their plan (backed by the EU) aimed at resolving the Cyprus dispute. Have you read about this plan?

K

Yes i have, and i think that the plan had the potential to make things even worse. The plan was being emended just 24 hours before the voting took place. it seemed to me wrong in so many ways but mainly because it gave the Turks the right to have troops stationed and intervene militarily, not to mention constitutional rights. as i said on my previous posts, i'm of the opinion that if there is going to be a plan that works, it can only evolve Cypriots meaning that all turks must go unconditionally. And maybe, just maybe with the Turks gone the air would clear and ... that is if both sides could find the strength to bury all the hate and bad blood.


"both communities could once again live together in peace"

Coming out with the comment above it is so evident that you know very little about the history of Cyprus. If your statement was true then i doubt that we would be in the position that we currently are.
You are falling into the same trap that a lot of outsiders do and that is to fall for the simple line that somehow all of our problems began in 1974 when one day Turkey woke up with an erection and decided to invade little Cyprus. This is the line that the GC's have stuck with ever since 1974 and continue to do so because it suits them not to talk about the events pre 74.

I suggest you do some thorough research and speak especially to the generation who experienced daily life in Cyprus pre 74.

The Turkish troops as i've said before they will go if and when a settlement is found and not before. As for the settlers some will go but then we also need to ask the same question about those who have settled in the south which including the Russians and Greeks from Anatolia and other parts of the middle east and Greek islands probably outnumber the Turkish Cypriots. So let's not forget about their settlers because legal or not in my opinion it is the GC's attempt at changing the demographics of the island in their favour. This is why for us the whole settler issue is a bit of a red hearing. You need to understand this.

K

I have read allot about the pre 1974 events and have spoken to the people that experienced them. For instance, a few months ago i drove my future Tc father in law that is in his 70,s to visit his Gc best friend also in his 70,s to drop off some olive oil that he bought back from Cyprus. Both these men experienced fist hand the unfortunate events pre 1974. I understand that both communities did live quietly side by side before troubles started and once again it was foreigns who fueled up things, at that stage the British. One example is that when Gc's started revolting against colonial forces, the British created an all Tc police force to fight Gc rebels and that is clearly putting 2 communities at war with each other. Then again it is the past and as relevant as it might be be, it appears clear to me that there is no chance of you all achieving peace and unification if its not put aside.
As for the settlers, the 1949 article 49 section III of the Geneva convention clearly states that an occupying power can not transfer parts of its own civilization onto the lands they occupy. Also the the presence of the the settlers would be an obstacle to a peace process evan though i do feel for the people that would have to leave after living in the land for 30 odd years, but i see them as victims of circumstances and in this case Cypriots come first.
However K, as i said in the beginning I'm opened to be educated. Do you not foresee A Cyprus peacefully ran by Cypriots only as one sovereign state? There has to be a glimpse of hope somewhere. I come from a peaceful country but i did serve 2 years in Kosovo and saw 2 ethnic groups once good neighbors and friends at each others necks and one lesson i did learn and that is that the people on the ground are all good. it the ones with power that corrupt them by using them as instruments to achieve their means...

non-cypriot,
to answer your question about a sovereign state no as it currently stands I do not foresee Cyprus as one soveriegn state run peacefully as Cypriots. There is a very good reason for this and if you had researched fully as you claim you have then you would understand why. Why after indepence in 1960 the GC's did everything they could to take full control of the island and destroy the rights of the TC's which was enshrined within the constitution (don't even want to talk about Enosis).

Once again you are falling for the same line that somehow it was the foriegn powers which started the mess in the first place. Just as the GC's hope the world believes their version of the Cyprus problem begining in 1974 this is just another one of the excuses at diverting from the source of the problem. Everyone else is guilty other then then the GC's. The problem we have on our hands now is that we have a whole generation of GC's born with the belief that the current 'Cyprus problem' has come about from the action of everyone else other then their own. The sooner the GC's start to address this the sooner the chances of a successful settlement.

For the time being I see two states working side by side with every effort made to work together and eradicate past hostilities and eventually to win trust and goodwill. Now only when this happens the soil may then be fertile for some sort of intergration with the consent/agreement on both sides. This will not happen overnight.


K

The Cypriot people never invaded anybody else. If it wasn't for foreign imperialists invading, enslaving and exploiting our island Cyprus today would have absolutely no problem (and no Turkish minority). So how can you blame Cypriots for a problem created by foreign invaders?

The problem as it stands today was indeed created in 1974. But of course Cyprus had problems before that. When foreigners imposed on Cyprus a constitution that would serve the interests of those foreigners and their local collaborators (TCs), we had a problem. When Cypriots were denied their freedom and they were forced to be subjects of the British empire, we had a problem. When we were denied our freedom by the Turks and we were forced to be second class people of the Ottoman empire, again we had a problem.


All the major problems were indeed created by foreign Imperialists who wanted to serve their own interests in Cyprus (Cyprus is the only former British colony that the British maintain "sovereign" bases after "independence") and the Turkish Cypriot minority was used by those foreigners (by promising to them Ottoman Style privileges on the expense of everybody else) as a way to apply divide and rule on our island.

The only thing that Cypriots (Greek Cypriots, Armenian Cypriots, Latin Cypriots, Maronite Cypriots, all other Cypriots except the Turkish ones) want is to be free and to rule democratically their own island. Turkish Cypriots can be equal citizens like every other Cypriots and your minority of 18% can have its proportional share of power. However Turkey and the UK, in order to maintain a problem in Cyprus (and therefore their troops in Cyprus) keep promising to your 18% minority outrageous things such as 30% of land and 50% of power, things that can obviously never be accepted by the Cypriot people.

[denizaksulu]

Unfortunately VP its your people who didnt know what they were signing...The establishment of a Democratic Republic IMPLIES that majority rules...as long as civil rights are safeguarded. Even if it wasnt specified in the written constitution the majority has these rights. For instance if a speed limit sign is knocked down it doesnt mean that one can drive as fast as they want.. If the vast majority Greek cyps wanted to amend the constitution it was inwithin their implied rights as a majority to do so. None of the 13 points were detrimental to the rights of the Turkish cyps..Make sure your people read it this time very well....

What rights are you talking about, you have freedoms you cannot see yourself giving to the Greek cypriots, can a GC go and live on his land like you can. Does a GC try and take away your dignity and civil rights by keeping a foreign occuppyer on his lands. Your people need to sstop insisting on taking away the rights of the majority...Your people have been insisting on equal political power since the beginning that is more a violation of the rights of the GC then anything they have ever done to the Turkis cypriots...We live in a democratic representative republic and want to keep it like that....Not where 15% of the population will get to dictate to the majority....if you think the GC will acccept such a deal you are stupid, actually you are stupid because you thought the GC would accept the Fascist Annan plan....

Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.

Read your own constitution you will see our rights there...with your signature on it, sorry forgot you renegged on that one, which does not make you a trustworthy partner as you could do the same again, thats why we demand safeguards and guarantees to make you stick to what you agree.

Having read your post, I feel a bit uneasy trying to explain things to you as I do not know you that well. Anyway, your speed limit metaphore is the problem. There will always be those motorists who will take advantage of the situation. They will speed regardless of any limits. So it was pointless to put 'your' case like that.

As to your other point regarding the amendments, do you have first hand knowledge of the events are is your information subsequent. There were issues involving the municipalities and the funding for the Turkish sector already causing problems. The amendments/proposed amendments did not help the situation.
In any future settlement (Insallah) I hope this problem will be taken into account without the crushing of anyones democratic rights. Can the politicians manage this?

[halil]

Sorry but what prison camp kept him in SEPTEMBER 1974? I can't find any reference on his site for yeroskipou and who was in charge of this camp.

I will read all his writings DT and find more information . Also what was all letters about . I am off now .

DT,
according to book writer prison camp is under the Greek Cypriot control.

often Red cross is visiting camp and bringing /taken masseges from prisoners and families . see the letters from below link .
later on i will translate them for the forum .

http://www.gurol.info/index_files/Page549.htm