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Postby YFred » Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:39 pm

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non-cypriot wrote:Yes i have, and i think that the plan had the potential to make things even worse. The plan was being emended just 24 hours before the voting took place. it seemed to me wrong in so many ways but mainly because it gave the Turks the right to have troops stationed and intervene militarily, not to mention constitutional rights. as i said on my previous posts, i'm of the opinion that if there is going to be a plan that works, it can only evolve Cypriots meaning that all turks must go unconditionally. And maybe, just maybe with the Turks gone the air would clear and both communities could once again live together in peace... that is if both sides could find the strength to bury all the hate and bad blood.


Any hate is only there because of the prevailing injustice. The injustice of the TCs holding goods which do not belong to them not only affects the GCs negatively but, also, the TCs cannot grow spiritually and morally whilst they hold a poison chalice ...

Welcome "non-cypriot" ...

Needless to say 63, 67 and the TC land grabbing by the GCs had nothing to do with anything.


Ditto 1571, in that case! ....

God, you've got good memory! you can go as far back as that?
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:30 pm

wyoming cowboy wrote:What rights are you talking about, you have freedoms you cannot see yourself giving to the Greek cypriots, can a GC go and live on his land like you can. Does a GC try and take away your dignity and civil rights by keeping a foreign occuppyer on his lands. Your people need to sstop insisting on taking away the rights of the majority...Your people have been insisting on equal political power since the beginning that is more a violation of the rights of the GC then anything they have ever done to the Turkis cypriots...We live in a democratic representative republic and want to keep it like that....Not where 15% of the population will get to dictate to the majority....if you think the GC will acccept such a deal you are stupid, actually you are stupid because you thought the GC would accept the Fascist Annan plan....
Viewpoint wrote:Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.


Read your own constitution you will see our rights there...with your signature on it, sorry forgot you renegged on that one, which does not make you a trustworthy partner as you could do the same again, thats why we demand safeguards and guarantees to make you stick to what you agree.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:37 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.


No one's denying you your rights. You on the other hand VP deny the rights of others and in a few days time you will be celebrating the deaths of thousands of your fellow countrymen. You'll be having a good time on the 20th won't you mate?

Having a good party whilst 10,000s of your fellow CYs grieve, as they have done for the past 35 years, for their loved ones, murdered by your "protecting" Turkish Army and by your fanatic tissy friends in the Green Goats.

Your foul views are repulsive to all freedom loving, all right thinking people.

This thing will soon be over.


Would you celebrate the day you were saved from anniahalation?

You really should ask those that dreamed of enosis and divided this island forever caused the heartache on both sides of the divide.

If foul and repulsive to you means my protection and safety then so be it.
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Postby bill cobbett » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:51 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.


No one's denying you your rights. You on the other hand VP deny the rights of others and in a few days time you will be celebrating the deaths of thousands of your fellow countrymen. You'll be having a good time on the 20th won't you mate?

Having a good party whilst 10,000s of your fellow CYs grieve, as they have done for the past 35 years, for their loved ones, murdered by your "protecting" Turkish Army and by your fanatic tissy friends in the Green Goats.

Your foul views are repulsive to all freedom loving, all right thinking people.

This thing will soon be over.


Would you celebrate the day you were saved from anniahalation

You really should ask those that dreamed of enosis and divided this island forever caused the heartache on both sides of the divide.

If foul and repulsive to you means my protection and safety then so be it.


No mate, when I say foul and repulsive I mean foul and repulsive.

Can you remind us of how many tissies were harmed in the months preceding the Barbaric Annexation Assault of the 20th July 1974 please. How many exactly were the subjected to "anniahalation" in this period? How many tissies were shown to be alive as prisoners on our tvs yet were never seen again?

Enjoy your party mate, soon be time to let go of your murderously gotten spoils of war.
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:57 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.


No one's denying you your rights. You on the other hand VP deny the rights of others and in a few days time you will be celebrating the deaths of thousands of your fellow countrymen. You'll be having a good time on the 20th won't you mate?

Having a good party whilst 10,000s of your fellow CYs grieve, as they have done for the past 35 years, for their loved ones, murdered by your "protecting" Turkish Army and by your fanatic tissy friends in the Green Goats.

Your foul views are repulsive to all freedom loving, all right thinking people.

This thing will soon be over.


Would you celebrate the day you were saved from anniahalation

You really should ask those that dreamed of enosis and divided this island forever caused the heartache on both sides of the divide.

If foul and repulsive to you means my protection and safety then so be it.


No mate, when I say foul and repulsive I mean foul and repulsive.

Can you remind us of how many tissies were harmed in the months preceding the Barbaric Annexation Assault of the 20th July 1974 please. How many exactly were the subjected to "anniahalation" in this period? How many tissies were shown to be alive as prisoners on our tvs yet were never seen again?

Enjoy your party mate, soon be time to let go of your murderously gotten spoils of war.


Go do some research the 11 years prior to the intervention was no holiday camp for TCs, the chants of Turkey cannot save you are still ringing in every TC ears, Sampsons declaration that had not Turkey intervened no TCs would have been left alive is enough proof of the dangerous situation TCs were placed in and the risks, Tcs fought back with everything they had and that was Turkey, I will not apologise for being alive and celebrating the day we were freed from the strangle hold of GCs.
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Postby bill cobbett » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:14 am

Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.


No one's denying you your rights. You on the other hand VP deny the rights of others and in a few days time you will be celebrating the deaths of thousands of your fellow countrymen. You'll be having a good time on the 20th won't you mate?

Having a good party whilst 10,000s of your fellow CYs grieve, as they have done for the past 35 years, for their loved ones, murdered by your "protecting" Turkish Army and by your fanatic tissy friends in the Green Goats.

Your foul views are repulsive to all freedom loving, all right thinking people.

This thing will soon be over.


Would you celebrate the day you were saved from anniahalation

You really should ask those that dreamed of enosis and divided this island forever caused the heartache on both sides of the divide.

If foul and repulsive to you means my protection and safety then so be it.


No mate, when I say foul and repulsive I mean foul and repulsive.

Can you remind us of how many tissies were harmed in the months preceding the Barbaric Annexation Assault of the 20th July 1974 please. How many exactly were the subjected to "anniahalation" in this period? How many tissies were shown to be alive as prisoners on our tvs yet were never seen again?

Enjoy your party mate, soon be time to let go of your murderously gotten spoils of war.


Go do some research the 11 years prior to the intervention was no holiday camp for TCs, the chants of Turkey cannot save you are still ringing in every TC ears, Sampsons declaration that had not Turkey intervened no TCs would have been left alive is enough proof of the dangerous situation TCs were placed in and the risks, Tcs fought back with everything they had and that was Turkey, I will not apologise for being alive and celebrating the day we were freed from the strangle hold of GCs.


Not answering the questions again. How many tissies were subjected to "anniahalation"?

Enjoy celebrating the deaths of thousands of CYs on the 20th. Pretty foul and repulsive party.

It may be the last time you do.
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Postby YFred » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:43 am

bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.


No one's denying you your rights. You on the other hand VP deny the rights of others and in a few days time you will be celebrating the deaths of thousands of your fellow countrymen. You'll be having a good time on the 20th won't you mate?

Having a good party whilst 10,000s of your fellow CYs grieve, as they have done for the past 35 years, for their loved ones, murdered by your "protecting" Turkish Army and by your fanatic tissy friends in the Green Goats.

Your foul views are repulsive to all freedom loving, all right thinking people.

This thing will soon be over.


Would you celebrate the day you were saved from anniahalation

You really should ask those that dreamed of enosis and divided this island forever caused the heartache on both sides of the divide.

If foul and repulsive to you means my protection and safety then so be it.


No mate, when I say foul and repulsive I mean foul and repulsive.

Can you remind us of how many tissies were harmed in the months preceding the Barbaric Annexation Assault of the 20th July 1974 please. How many exactly were the subjected to "anniahalation" in this period? How many tissies were shown to be alive as prisoners on our tvs yet were never seen again?

Enjoy your party mate, soon be time to let go of your murderously gotten spoils of war.


Go do some research the 11 years prior to the intervention was no holiday camp for TCs, the chants of Turkey cannot save you are still ringing in every TC ears, Sampsons declaration that had not Turkey intervened no TCs would have been left alive is enough proof of the dangerous situation TCs were placed in and the risks, Tcs fought back with everything they had and that was Turkey, I will not apologise for being alive and celebrating the day we were freed from the strangle hold of GCs.


Not answering the questions again. How many tissies were subjected to "anniahalation"?

Enjoy celebrating the deaths of thousands of CYs on the 20th. Pretty foul and repulsive party.

It may be the last time you do.

Bill, if you look at these celebrations, for the last 10 years and very few actual civilians attend them. Of the civilians, they are mostly the families of the soldiers in the processions.
I am with you on this one, I do hope that you are right and its the last time anybody celebrates that day.
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Postby YFred » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:46 am

Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.


No one's denying you your rights. You on the other hand VP deny the rights of others and in a few days time you will be celebrating the deaths of thousands of your fellow countrymen. You'll be having a good time on the 20th won't you mate?

Having a good party whilst 10,000s of your fellow CYs grieve, as they have done for the past 35 years, for their loved ones, murdered by your "protecting" Turkish Army and by your fanatic tissy friends in the Green Goats.

Your foul views are repulsive to all freedom loving, all right thinking people.

This thing will soon be over.


Would you celebrate the day you were saved from anniahalation

You really should ask those that dreamed of enosis and divided this island forever caused the heartache on both sides of the divide.

If foul and repulsive to you means my protection and safety then so be it.


No mate, when I say foul and repulsive I mean foul and repulsive.

Can you remind us of how many tissies were harmed in the months preceding the Barbaric Annexation Assault of the 20th July 1974 please. How many exactly were the subjected to "anniahalation" in this period? How many tissies were shown to be alive as prisoners on our tvs yet were never seen again?

Enjoy your party mate, soon be time to let go of your murderously gotten spoils of war.


Go do some research the 11 years prior to the intervention was no holiday camp for TCs, the chants of Turkey cannot save you are still ringing in every TC ears, Sampsons declaration that had not Turkey intervened no TCs would have been left alive is enough proof of the dangerous situation TCs were placed in and the risks, Tcs fought back with everything they had and that was Turkey, I will not apologise for being alive and celebrating the day we were freed from the strangle hold of GCs.

VP, I remember the song "Bekledim da gelmedin" being played on the GC radio in 63/64 and 67. But that is no reason to Celebrate the events of July.
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Postby bill cobbett » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:47 am

YFred wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.


No one's denying you your rights. You on the other hand VP deny the rights of others and in a few days time you will be celebrating the deaths of thousands of your fellow countrymen. You'll be having a good time on the 20th won't you mate?

Having a good party whilst 10,000s of your fellow CYs grieve, as they have done for the past 35 years, for their loved ones, murdered by your "protecting" Turkish Army and by your fanatic tissy friends in the Green Goats.

Your foul views are repulsive to all freedom loving, all right thinking people.

This thing will soon be over.


Would you celebrate the day you were saved from anniahalation

You really should ask those that dreamed of enosis and divided this island forever caused the heartache on both sides of the divide.

If foul and repulsive to you means my protection and safety then so be it.


No mate, when I say foul and repulsive I mean foul and repulsive.

Can you remind us of how many tissies were harmed in the months preceding the Barbaric Annexation Assault of the 20th July 1974 please. How many exactly were the subjected to "anniahalation" in this period? How many tissies were shown to be alive as prisoners on our tvs yet were never seen again?

Enjoy your party mate, soon be time to let go of your murderously gotten spoils of war.


Go do some research the 11 years prior to the intervention was no holiday camp for TCs, the chants of Turkey cannot save you are still ringing in every TC ears, Sampsons declaration that had not Turkey intervened no TCs would have been left alive is enough proof of the dangerous situation TCs were placed in and the risks, Tcs fought back with everything they had and that was Turkey, I will not apologise for being alive and celebrating the day we were freed from the strangle hold of GCs.


Not answering the questions again. How many tissies were subjected to "anniahalation"?

Enjoy celebrating the deaths of thousands of CYs on the 20th. Pretty foul and repulsive party.

It may be the last time you do.

Bill, if you look at these celebrations, for the last 10 years and very few actual civilians attend them. Of the civilians, they are mostly the families of the soldiers in the processions.
I am with you on this one, I do hope that you are right and its the last time anybody celebrates that day.


I'm pleased to hear that Freddie.

I do have a feeling that his thing will be over some time next year.
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Postby YFred » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:50 am

bill cobbett wrote:
YFred wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.


No one's denying you your rights. You on the other hand VP deny the rights of others and in a few days time you will be celebrating the deaths of thousands of your fellow countrymen. You'll be having a good time on the 20th won't you mate?

Having a good party whilst 10,000s of your fellow CYs grieve, as they have done for the past 35 years, for their loved ones, murdered by your "protecting" Turkish Army and by your fanatic tissy friends in the Green Goats.

Your foul views are repulsive to all freedom loving, all right thinking people.

This thing will soon be over.


Would you celebrate the day you were saved from anniahalation

You really should ask those that dreamed of enosis and divided this island forever caused the heartache on both sides of the divide.

If foul and repulsive to you means my protection and safety then so be it.


No mate, when I say foul and repulsive I mean foul and repulsive.

Can you remind us of how many tissies were harmed in the months preceding the Barbaric Annexation Assault of the 20th July 1974 please. How many exactly were the subjected to "anniahalation" in this period? How many tissies were shown to be alive as prisoners on our tvs yet were never seen again?

Enjoy your party mate, soon be time to let go of your murderously gotten spoils of war.


Go do some research the 11 years prior to the intervention was no holiday camp for TCs, the chants of Turkey cannot save you are still ringing in every TC ears, Sampsons declaration that had not Turkey intervened no TCs would have been left alive is enough proof of the dangerous situation TCs were placed in and the risks, Tcs fought back with everything they had and that was Turkey, I will not apologise for being alive and celebrating the day we were freed from the strangle hold of GCs.


Not answering the questions again. How many tissies were subjected to "anniahalation"?

Enjoy celebrating the deaths of thousands of CYs on the 20th. Pretty foul and repulsive party.

It may be the last time you do.

Bill, if you look at these celebrations, for the last 10 years and very few actual civilians attend them. Of the civilians, they are mostly the families of the soldiers in the processions.
I am with you on this one, I do hope that you are right and its the last time anybody celebrates that day.


I'm pleased to hear that Freddie.

I do have a feeling that his thing will be over some time next year.

I hope we can agree on a day to commemorate all the people who have been killed from 55 to 74 and even after, together.
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