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[Get Real!]

Kuruovali, the problem is that the TCs (prompted and supported by Turkey) want too much of and from Cyprus. They are less than one fifth of the population and yet they want an equality that does the exact opposite of what is intended - it puts them at odds with the GCs. Would you be happy with the descendants of your colonial masters being given constitutional powers in excess of your numbers? It's a bit like rubbing salt in the wound.

The Annan plan was unfair, that's why the GCs rejected it. It's not 1960 you know, we can't be forced to accept something we don't want. As to guarantees, perhaps you can tell me where else in the world one country has a legal right to forcfuly interfere in the affairs of another sovereign state. Membership of the EU is the only guarantee you need.

Good post Jerry!

I also like to think that a new mixed National Guard of 15,000 odd Cypriots will provide an additional preventive national security.

[Paphitis]

Kuruovali, the problem is that the TCs (prompted and supported by Turkey) want too much of and from Cyprus. They are less than one fifth of the population and yet they want an equality that does the exact opposite of what is intended - it puts them at odds with the GCs. Would you be happy with the descendants of your colonial masters being given constitutional powers in excess of your numbers? It's a bit like rubbing salt in the wound.

The Annan plan was unfair, that's why the GCs rejected it. It's not 1960 you know, we can't be forced to accept something we don't want. As to guarantees, perhaps you can tell me where else in the world one country has a legal right to forcfuly interfere in the affairs of another sovereign state. Membership of the EU is the only guarantee you need.

Good post Jerry!

I also like to think that a new mixed National Guard of 15,000 odd Cypriots will provide an additional preventive national security.

And ELDYK and TURDYK can go home........

[Viewpoint]

Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.

[wyoming cowboy]

Kuruovali, the problem is that the TCs (prompted and supported by Turkey) want too much of and from Cyprus. They are less than one fifth of the population and yet they want an equality that does the exact opposite of what is intended - it puts them at odds with the GCs. Would you be happy with the descendants of your colonial masters being given constitutional powers in excess of your numbers? It's a bit like rubbing salt in the wound.

The Annan plan was unfair, that's why the GCs rejected it. It's not 1960 you know, we can't be forced to accept something we don't want. As to guarantees, perhaps you can tell me where else in the world one country has a legal right to forcfuly interfere in the affairs of another sovereign state. Membership of the EU is the only guarantee you need.

Good post Jerry!

If you are looking for odd cypriots im sure you will find more then 15,00, I also like to think that a new mixed National Guard of 15,000 odd Cypriots will provide an additional preventive national security.

[wyoming cowboy]

What rights are you talking about, you have freedoms you cannot see yourself giving to the Greek cypriots, can a GC go and live on his land like you can. Does a GC try and take away your dignity and civil rights by keeping a foreign occuppyer on his lands. Your people need to sstop insisting on taking away the rights of the majority...Your people have been insisting on equal political power since the beginning that is more a violation of the rights of the GC then anything they have ever done to the Turkis cypriots...We live in a democratic representative republic and want to keep it like that....Not where 15% of the population will get to dictate to the majority....if you think the GC will acccept such a deal you are stupid, actually you are stupid because you thought the GC would accept the Fascist Annan plan....

Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.

[bill cobbett]

Yeah alright lets get rid of the Turkish army before a settlement and gift the GCs the right to do whatever they wish....me thinks not, we have been there before..give us our rights and the Turkish army will go.

No one's denying you your rights. You on the other hand VP deny the rights of others and in a few days time you will be celebrating the deaths of thousands of your fellow countrymen. You'll be having a good time on the 20th won't you mate?

Having a good party whilst 10,000s of your fellow CYs grieve, as they have done for the past 35 years, for their loved ones, murdered by your "protecting" Turkish Army and by your fanatic tissy friends in the Green Goats.

Your foul views are repulsive to all freedom loving, all right thinking people.

This thing will soon be over.

[non-cypriot]

Welcome to the Forum non-CY.

Yeah, I'd go along with what you say mate/matess.

Things become very different when the Turkish Occupation ends.

Thanks bill.
Its mate.

[non-cypriot]

Dear non- cypriot,

Yes, you are right peace will benefit both sides. With peace the TC kids will be able to grow up with hope rather then despair. With peace most GC's (most) will get back their properties or compensation. In 2004 the UN put forth their plan (backed by the EU) aimed at resolving the Cyprus dispute. Have you read about this plan?

K[/quote]
Yes i have, and i think that the plan had the potential to make things even worse. The plan was being emended just 24 hours before the voting took place. it seemed to me wrong in so many ways but mainly because it gave the Turks the right to have troops stationed and intervene militarily, not to mention constitutional rights. as i said on my previous posts, i'm of the opinion that if there is going to be a plan that works, it can only evolve Cypriots meaning that all turks must go unconditionally. And maybe, just maybe with the Turks gone the air would clear and both communities could once again live together in peace... that is if both sides could find the strength to bury all the hate and bad blood.

[Kuruovali]

Dear non- cypriot,

Yes, you are right peace will benefit both sides. With peace the TC kids will be able to grow up with hope rather then despair. With peace most GC's (most) will get back their properties or compensation. In 2004 the UN put forth their plan (backed by the EU) aimed at resolving the Cyprus dispute. Have you read about this plan?

K

Yes i have, and i think that the plan had the potential to make things even worse. The plan was being emended just 24 hours before the voting took place. it seemed to me wrong in so many ways but mainly because it gave the Turks the right to have troops stationed and intervene militarily, not to mention constitutional rights. as i said on my previous posts, i'm of the opinion that if there is going to be a plan that works, it can only evolve Cypriots meaning that all turks must go unconditionally. And maybe, just maybe with the Turks gone the air would clear and ... that is if both sides could find the strength to bury all the hate and bad blood.[/quote]


"both communities could once again live together in peace"

Coming out with the comment above it is so evident that you know very little about the history of Cyprus. If your statement was true then i doubt that we would be in the position that we currently are.
You are falling into the same trap that a lot of outsiders do and that is to fall for the simple line that somehow all of our problems began in 1974 when one day Turkey woke up with an erection and decided to invade little Cyprus. This is the line that the GC's have stuck with ever since 1974 and continue to do so because it suits them not to talk about the events pre 74.

I suggest you do some thorough research and speak especially to the generation who experienced daily life in Cyprus pre 74.

The Turkish troops as i've said before they will go if and when a settlement is found and not before. As for the settlers some will go but then we also need to ask the same question about those who have settled in the south which including the Russians and Greeks from Anatolia and other parts of the middle east and Greek islands probably outnumber the Turkish Cypriots. So let's not forget about their settlers because legal or not in my opinion it is the GC's attempt at changing the demographics of the island in their favour. This is why for us the whole settler issue is a bit of a red hearing. You need to understand this.

K

[YFred]

Dear non- cypriot,

Yes, you are right peace will benefit both sides. With peace the TC kids will be able to grow up with hope rather then despair. With peace most GC's (most) will get back their properties or compensation. In 2004 the UN put forth their plan (backed by the EU) aimed at resolving the Cyprus dispute. Have you read about this plan?

K

Yes i have, and i think that the plan had the potential to make things even worse. The plan was being emended just 24 hours before the voting took place. it seemed to me wrong in so many ways but mainly because it gave the Turks the right to have troops stationed and intervene militarily, not to mention constitutional rights. as i said on my previous posts, i'm of the opinion that if there is going to be a plan that works, it can only evolve Cypriots meaning that all turks must go unconditionally. And maybe, just maybe with the Turks gone the air would clear and ... that is if both sides could find the strength to bury all the hate and bad blood.

"both communities could once again live together in peace"

Coming out with the comment above it is so evident that you know very little about the history of Cyprus. If your statement was true then i doubt that we would be in the position that we currently are.
You are falling into the same trap that a lot of outsiders do and that is to fall for the simple line that somehow all of our problems began in 1974 when one day Turkey woke up with an erection and decided to invade little Cyprus. This is the line that the GC's have stuck with ever since 1974 and continue to do so because it suits them not to talk about the events pre 74.

I suggest you do some thorough research and speak especially to the generation who experienced daily life in Cyprus pre 74.

The Turkish troops as i've said before they will go if and when a settlement is found and not before. As for the settlers some will go but then we also need to ask the same question about those who have settled in the south which including the Russians and Greeks from Anatolia and other parts of the middle east and Greek islands probably outnumber the Turkish Cypriots. So let's not forget about their settlers because legal or not in my opinion it is the GC's attempt at changing the demographics of the island in their favour. This is why for us the whole settler issue is a bit of a red hearing. You need to understand this.

K

May I add that there are people on this forum with personal experiences of those times. K you are spot on well said.