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[Kikapu]

When should we expect this being left out in the cold? What if it doesnt materialize? 49 years and you are still saying the same thing...the saddle is on your back but you will never be a race horse a donkey is a donkey.

The horse race gets into the finishing straight in December with the appraisal of Jurkey's EU progress and the consequent opening of RoT ports and airspace - de facto recognition of the RoC.

You've backed the wrong donkey.

[DT.]

When should we expect this being left out in the cold? What if it doesnt materialize? 49 years and you are still saying the same thing...the saddle is on your back but you will never be a race horse a donkey is a donkey.

The horse race gets into the finishing straight in December with the appraisal of Jurkey's EU progress and the consequent opening of RoT ports and airspace - de facto recognition of the RoC.

You've backed the wrong donkey.

Think I'm gonna start a new thread of the best comebacks to VP's mantra of racehorse/saddle/donkey or RSD as we in the business like to call it.

[EPSILON]

TURKEY READY TO SUPPORT A MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE PLAN IN CYPRUS

28 June 2009, Sunday

Turkish Minister of State and Chief Negotiator for the European Union Egemen Bagis has said ‘if the two leaders on the island reach an agreement that is acceptable by both sides, Turkey will support this solution as well’.

In an interview he gave to a newspaper, the Turkish Minister of State evaluated the Cyprus issue and Turkey’s EU prospective.

Answering a question regarding Turkey opening its ports to Greek Cypriot vessels, Mr. Bagis said the moment Turkey does this; it will mean that it has accepted the Greek Cypriot Administration as the sovereign state on the island.

Showing Taiwan as an example Mr. Bagis said ‘the whole world is trading with Taiwan but this doesn’t mean that they recognize that country.

The European Union had decided to end the isolation on the 26th of April 2004 of the Turks of Cyprus but this doesn’t mean that the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will be recognized’, said Mr. Bagis.

Reminding that the Annan Plan wasn’t perfect but was supported because it was a just plan Mr. Bagis said as soon as the leaders in Cyprus come up with a mutually acceptable plan, Turkey is ready to support a solution plan once again.

Referring to Turkey’s EU prospective, the EU Chief Negotiator said Turkey is determined to conclude its negotiations process with the EU.

‘We want full membership to the EU and will not accept anything less.
Full membership of nothing’, he added.

http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/51357

"Answering a question regarding Turkey opening its ports to Greek Cypriot vessels, Mr. Bagis said the moment Turkey does this; it will mean that it has accepted the Greek Cypriot Administration as the sovereign state on the island.

Showing Taiwan as an example Mr. Bagis said ‘the whole world is trading with Taiwan but this doesn’t mean that they recognize that country."

The above seems to contradict each other.

"If Turkey opens its ports to Greek-Cypriot vessels, it won't mean that it recognises the Greek-Cypriot administration as the prevalent country on the whole island," he said.

Further contradictions with the above what Paphitis posted.

To me, it sounds like Turkey is getting ready to bend on the opening of the ports issue to the RoC, but will use the Taiwan as an example, where Turkey does business with Taiwan at present, along with the rest of the world, but officially do not recognise Taiwan, again, along with the rest of the world. This will get Turkey off the hook come December's dead-line with the EU. The EU may as a good gesture make some limited concessions on the north, perhaps also citing Taiwan as an example, but I do not expect full trade to be established with the north as to what Turkey wants as a trade off by opening it's ports and airspace to the RoC, because the two issues are not related on Turkey's path to EU membership. Turkey has only been using the EU-north non trade as an excuse to delay opening her ports and air space to the RoC.

It is very interesting to view these contradictory reports from the international press, Turkey and the "trnc" media.

I happen to agree with you in that I believe the Erdogan Government is starting to see the futility of its stance on Cyprus and how this stance will impact its EU ambitions for full membership. On the one hand we have Turkey preparing to make some major concessions in time for the December progress report, and on the other hand we have the "trnc" which is finding it difficult to come to terms with reality.

I don't believe full trade with the "trnc" can be implemented, but I do believe that if Turkey does choose to comply with the EU directive of opening her ports and airspace, then some other gestures will be made such as increased EU assistance to the TCs.

You are right-basis on the fulish Greek side policy, giving a lawfull subject against an illegal action.What to hell a EU regulation for free trade between EU countries and candidate country has to do with the trade between EU and an illegal establishment.?

Foolish are those that read but don't comprehend.

I was not advocating free trade with the "trnc". This can't happen unless the goods are imported or exported through RoC declared legal points of entry.

I do however see that Turkey is starting to lay the ground work for full compliance with EU directives on opening its ports and airspace, and given that her ambitions are for full EU accession, then I don't see that Turkey has much choice on the matter.

This gesture would surely have to be reciprocated, with possible EU financial assistance to the TCs.

Maybe you did not read the full statement of the Turkish ministr- he said" the first vessel under Cyprus flag to be allowed to call a Turkish port will be this which will load oranges from Famagusta for delivery to Turkey"

My article stated that Turkey was fully prepared to coincide the opening of ports and airspace with international trade with the illegal "trnc" regime. What else do you expect him to say at this early stage?

He then went on to say that the opening of its ports and airspace does not mean that it recognizes the RoC.

My understanding is that this stance is a substantial softening, as Turkey is coming to terms with her EU obligations and how these must be fulfilled if it is to realize full EU accession. My understanding is that Turkey is starting to bend on the ports and airspace issue in order to obtain a favorable EU progress report in December.

The problem on your above , in which i partly agree (softening) is that Turkey,one again will sell promises and theories and she will get actual things like opening of more articles on its prossession to EU.THE POINT HERE IS , UP WHEN, EU, Greece and G/cs will continue to help Turkey to play this game.

Take the example of Limnitis: Initial target (my opinion) of Turks was to allow transit of soldiers and their families from the check point. They requested a crazy (under the circustances) demand such as transfer of gazoline and other materials which could be easily considered as military- These "crazy requests" of course rejected by G/cs but Turks obtained their initial target of military personel movements.This is exactly what Turks are doing for 38 years in all subjects related to Cyprus problem.G/cs politicians is time to learn instead to try to convist Turks that in Cyprus we are all (settlers/invators/T/cs/G/cs) brothers and sisters.

[Paphitis]

When should we expect this being left out in the cold? What if it doesnt materialize? 49 years and you are still saying the same thing...the saddle is on your back but you will never be a race horse a donkey is a donkey.

The horse race gets into the finishing straight in December with the appraisal of Jurkey's EU progress and the consequent opening of RoT ports and airspace - de facto recognition of the RoC.

You've backed the wrong donkey.

Think I'm gonna start a new thread of the best comebacks to VP's mantra of racehorse/saddle/donkey or RSD as we in the business like to call it.

Is that what you call them...Comebacks!

Kikapu would disagree...They are more like DONKEY FARTS from a "trnc" DONKEY that thinks its a racehorse!

[Viewpoint]

When should we expect this being left out in the cold? What if it doesnt materialize? 49 years and you are still saying the same thing...the saddle is on your back but you will never be a race horse a donkey is a donkey.

The horse race gets into the finishing straight in December with the appraisal of Jurkey's EU progress and the consequent opening of RoT ports and airspace - de facto recognition of the RoC.

You've backed the wrong donkey.

What if it doesnt happen the way you think it will? No ports no nothing just a lot of hot air from the EU?

The donkey here is clearly the "RoC" who thinks that having a saddle on it backs makes it a racehorse... it sums up the GCs to a T.

[Get Real!]

The donkey here is clearly the "RoC" who thinks that having a saddle on it backs makes it a racehorse... it sums up the GCs to a T.

If the RoC is a donkey then the “TRNC” is a constipated dwarf pony!

[Viewpoint]

The donkey here is clearly the "RoC" who thinks that having a saddle on it backs makes it a racehorse... it sums up the GCs to a T.

If the RoC is a donkey then the “TRNC” is a constipated dwarf pony!

We are not the ones claiming to be a race horse.

[bill cobbett]

The donkey here is clearly the "RoC" who thinks that having a saddle on it backs makes it a racehorse... it sums up the GCs to a T.

If the RoC is a donkey then the “TRNC” is a constipated dwarf pony!

We are not the ones claiming to be a race horse.

Reh VP, your morally corrupt baggage is proving too much for the CY Donkey .....

[Viewpoint]

The donkey here is clearly the "RoC" who thinks that having a saddle on it backs makes it a racehorse... it sums up the GCs to a T.

If the RoC is a donkey then the “TRNC” is a constipated dwarf pony!

We are not the ones claiming to be a race horse.

Reh VP, your morally corrupt baggage is proving too much for the CY Donkey .....

Here are some GCs thinking they have a race horse....

[bill cobbett]

... and here's one of a Jurkish Partitionist getting it up the bum from the CY Donkey.