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[Paphitis]

Each time I contemplate the CyProb I never see the removal of Turkish troops as such a tall order as the question…”What happens next?”

What will the Greek Cypriots do if the Turkish army was to be thrown off Cyprus, or if you prefer if Turkey was to willingly depart?

Will we see a sudden rise in Greek nationalism again?

Will Greece decide it’s time to wiggle her way back in Cyprus again and some of my foolish compatriots welcome her?

If in this day and age and after all we’ve been through, there are STILL foolish Greek Cypriots having premature ejaculations over this diabolic fanatical movement referred to as “Hellenism” (whatever it may involve/mean) what would we have accomplished upon the removal of Turkey from Cyprus?

Nothing! We would be right back to the 15th of July 1974!

Perhaps the problem has nothing to do with Turkey or Greece, but with the world’s dumbest people… and I’m getting tired and embarrassed being a part of them.

GR you have hit the "bullseye" with this post! "What happens next?" is what most decent TC's worry about, would history repeat itself with foreign nationalism ( for Turkey or Greece ) clouding the minds of Cypriots. The reality is that there are TC's and GC's and we can't just ignore our "Turkishness" or "Greekness". THe fact is there has always been a silent wall between both communities and it ain't gonna tumble down anytime soon. The "Cypriot Nation" after independance never did mature enough to evolve into what GR dreams it of being. That isn't to say that I don't endorse it, I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

I think you are wrong Umit.

Most Cypriots are very non nationalistic these days. The CF is not a true representation of both GCs and TCs alike.

If we silence the likes of Zan, VP, Runway and Y-Fred, then you will be surprised how far things will progress under the EU umbrella. Mind you, on our side we have the likes of Byron (whom I believe is a TC) and James as well, and I don't think they help the situation either.

ENOSIS is dead and buried, and so is the Hellenic Orthodox Cyprus Republic. Over a few tinnies, some Zivania, things can be fixed quite quickly. But for this to happen, the Turkish Army needs to leave the TCs alone so that they can make their own decision.

I think the biggest issue is that most TCs still haven't moved on from the 60s and 70s era, where nationalism and division was rampant. They have been isolated from the GCs for so long that they can't possibly believe that things have significantly improved. And to top it all off, Turkey is manipulating this and instilling the fear that the TCs will never be safe with their GC patriots so that it can exploit the situation for its own selfish interests and certainly not the interests of the TCs.

Can I add a few things?

First, tissy security is overplayed cos of course it justifies a continued Jurkish Army. The god citizens of the Free Areas have already conceded a northern zone. That's a major, major concession and security enough.

Most present day tissies are young and youngsters by and large are more concerned with their iPods, their gaming, shagging eachother etc. Thetissy fanatics would have us believe otherwise of course. These tissy youngsters have the se cosmopolitan outlook on life as younsters everywhere. So the "memories" of the past are confined to the older people.

Fanatical extremists (both comms) - Modern-day Europe is awash with anti-racist, anti-discrimination laws. Things have changed so much even in my lifetime in this area. These laws are sufficient to bring before the courts those who who incite racial/ethnic hatred.

Enosis and Taksim - as already posted today, RoG and RoT to amend their constitutions to ban both putting an end to some people's wet-dreams.

If what you say is correct, and I have no reason to doubt it either, as the up coming generations are indeed much less nationalistic and would rather live the cosmopolitan cafe lifestyle, then why is it necessary to change any one's constitution?

I'm certain such a clause would be added into the new Cyprus constitution, but why get the RoG and RoT involved in this? They should have absolutely nothing to do with Cyprus. Even the ELDYK should go and therefore, there should be no need for any TURDYK either!

My dear Paphitis, I have in mind the situation, a few years ago, where post The Good Friday Peace Agreement, when the Republic of Ireland amended its constitution to include an article dropping any claims on the territory of Northern Ireland.

I also think such amendments sends a message to the aspiring unionists of both comms.

You see Bill, he has Enosis in his heart and the ammendment kills it.

I'm pretty sure that if any significant portion of the population had such aspirations, then no amendment will stop them.

BTW doofus, I'm all in favor of such an amendment within the new RoC constitution.

What is it you have between your ears shit or something, isn't that what caused the problem all along. Do you never learn?
I'll say it simple language for you, you can have enosis anytime you want, with your part of the island. Is that fair or is that fair?
Shithead.

Why don't you take a hike shithead!

I never stated anything about ENOSIS, and nor do I want ENOSIS VLAKA!

Have another read of what I posted MORON!

[DT.]

[quote="YFred]What is it you have between your ears shit or something, isn't that what caused the problem all along. Do you never learn?
I'll say it simple language for you, you can have enosis anytime you want, with your part of the island. Is that fair or is that fair?
Shithead.[/quote]

My part of the island is the north, if you've got the south re Paphiti we can pretty much do as we please.

I'd avoid enosis but I would insist on yfred having to wear a tsolias outfit in Eleftheria Sq for a year.

[DT.]

What is it you have between your ears shit or something, isn't that what caused the problem all along. Do you never learn?
I'll say it simple language for you, you can have enosis anytime you want, with your part of the island. Is that fair or is that fair?
Shithead.

My part of the island is the north, if you've got the south re Paphiti we can pretty much do as we please.

I'd avoid enosis but I would insist on yfred having to wear a tsolias outfit in Eleftheria Sq for a year.

[Paphitis]

What is it you have between your ears shit or something, isn't that what caused the problem all along. Do you never learn?
I'll say it simple language for you, you can have enosis anytime you want, with your part of the island. Is that fair or is that fair?
Shithead.

My part of the island is the north, if you've got the south re Paphiti we can pretty much do as we please.

I'd avoid enosis but I would insist on yfred having to wear a tsolias outfit in Eleftheria Sq for a year.

Agreed!

[miltiades]

Each time I contemplate the CyProb I never see the removal of Turkish troops as such a tall order as the question…”What happens next?”

What will the Greek Cypriots do if the Turkish army was to be thrown off Cyprus, or if you prefer if Turkey was to willingly depart?

Will we see a sudden rise in Greek nationalism again?

Will Greece decide it’s time to wiggle her way back in Cyprus again and some of my foolish compatriots welcome her?

If in this day and age and after all we’ve been through, there are STILL foolish Greek Cypriots having premature ejaculations over this diabolic fanatical movement referred to as “Hellenism” (whatever it may involve/mean) what would we have accomplished upon the removal of Turkey from Cyprus?

Nothing! We would be right back to the 15th of July 1974!

Perhaps the problem has nothing to do with Turkey or Greece, but with the world’s dumbest people… and I’m getting tired and embarrassed being a part of them.

GR you have hit the "bullseye" with this post! "What happens next?" is what most decent TC's worry about, would history repeat itself with foreign nationalism ( for Turkey or Greece ) clouding the minds of Cypriots. The reality is that there are TC's and GC's and we can't just ignore our "Turkishness" or "Greekness". THe fact is there has always been a silent wall between both communities and it ain't gonna tumble down anytime soon. The "Cypriot Nation" after independance never did mature enough to evolve into what GR dreams it of being. That isn't to say that I don't endorse it, I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

I think you are wrong Umit.

Most Cypriots are very non nationalistic these days. The CF is not a true representation of both GCs and TCs alike.

If we silence the likes of Zan, VP, Runway and Y-Fred, then you will be surprised how far things will progress under the EU umbrella. Mind you, on our side we have the likes of Byron (whom I believe is a TC) and James as well, and I don't think they help the situation either.

ENOSIS is dead and buried, and so is the Hellenic Orthodox Cyprus Republic. Over a few tinnies, some Zivania, things can be fixed quite quickly. But for this to happen, the Turkish Army needs to leave the TCs alone so that they can make their own decision.

I think the biggest issue is that most TCs still haven't moved on from the 60s and 70s era, where nationalism and division was rampant. They have been isolated from the GCs for so long that they can't possibly believe that things have significantly improved. And to top it all off, Turkey is manipulating this and instilling the fear that the TCs will never be safe with their GC patriots so that it can exploit the situation for its own selfish interests and certainly not the interests of the TCs.

You have changed then Paphitis , not long ago you were talking about shooting down a civilian aircraft flying over Cyprus without the authority of the RoC, then you expressed a wish to see the northern part of Cyprus turn into charcoal grey and very recently that disgraceful signature.
I hope you have changed and the above comments are not merely the byproduct of a phase you are going through.

May I also say that a fellow Cypriot , a T/C living in Australia is sending a donation to help his fellow Cypriots at the Ayios Stefanos Home , most if not all of the patients are G/Cs.
It seems to me that many T/Cs do not feel isolated from the G/Cs !!

[Paphitis]

Each time I contemplate the CyProb I never see the removal of Turkish troops as such a tall order as the question…”What happens next?”

What will the Greek Cypriots do if the Turkish army was to be thrown off Cyprus, or if you prefer if Turkey was to willingly depart?

Will we see a sudden rise in Greek nationalism again?

Will Greece decide it’s time to wiggle her way back in Cyprus again and some of my foolish compatriots welcome her?

If in this day and age and after all we’ve been through, there are STILL foolish Greek Cypriots having premature ejaculations over this diabolic fanatical movement referred to as “Hellenism” (whatever it may involve/mean) what would we have accomplished upon the removal of Turkey from Cyprus?

Nothing! We would be right back to the 15th of July 1974!

Perhaps the problem has nothing to do with Turkey or Greece, but with the world’s dumbest people… and I’m getting tired and embarrassed being a part of them.

GR you have hit the "bullseye" with this post! "What happens next?" is what most decent TC's worry about, would history repeat itself with foreign nationalism ( for Turkey or Greece ) clouding the minds of Cypriots. The reality is that there are TC's and GC's and we can't just ignore our "Turkishness" or "Greekness". THe fact is there has always been a silent wall between both communities and it ain't gonna tumble down anytime soon. The "Cypriot Nation" after independance never did mature enough to evolve into what GR dreams it of being. That isn't to say that I don't endorse it, I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

I think you are wrong Umit.

Most Cypriots are very non nationalistic these days. The CF is not a true representation of both GCs and TCs alike.

If we silence the likes of Zan, VP, Runway and Y-Fred, then you will be surprised how far things will progress under the EU umbrella. Mind you, on our side we have the likes of Byron (whom I believe is a TC) and James as well, and I don't think they help the situation either.

ENOSIS is dead and buried, and so is the Hellenic Orthodox Cyprus Republic. Over a few tinnies, some Zivania, things can be fixed quite quickly. But for this to happen, the Turkish Army needs to leave the TCs alone so that they can make their own decision.

I think the biggest issue is that most TCs still haven't moved on from the 60s and 70s era, where nationalism and division was rampant. They have been isolated from the GCs for so long that they can't possibly believe that things have significantly improved. And to top it all off, Turkey is manipulating this and instilling the fear that the TCs will never be safe with their GC patriots so that it can exploit the situation for its own selfish interests and certainly not the interests of the TCs.

You have changed then Paphitis , not long ago you were talking about shooting down a civilian aircraft flying over Cyprus without the authority of the RoC, then you expressed a wish to see the northern part of Cyprus turn into charcoal grey and very recently that disgraceful signature.
I hope you have changed and the above comments are not merely the byproduct of a phase you are going through.

May I also say that a fellow Cypriot , a T/C living in Australia is sending a donation to help his fellow Cypriots at the Ayios Stefanos Home , most if not all of the patients are G/Cs.
It seems to me that many T/Cs do not feel isolated from the G/Cs !!

I did not express any wish to turn the northern part of Cyprus into a charcoal grey, but expressed and agreed upon the RoC having the sincere sovereign right and the capability to defend its sovereign territory and national airspace, and there is a big difference. You persist to label me a war mongering barbarian, but I'm afraid you have no idea what you are talking about.

As for your charity efforts, I wish you luck. I was thinking of sending you a PM, but I will now send the money direct to another charity of my own choice.

[miltiades]

I bet you will mate !
Only thinking to send a PM ? Why " just thinking " why didn't you do it , I'm not the beneficiary , the poor G/Cs of the Home are .

[Paphitis]

I bet you will mate !
Only thinking to send a PM ? Why " just thinking " why didn't you do it , I'm not the beneficiary , the poor G/Cs of the Home are .

I'm sure the charity is very worthy.

[Viewpoint]

When should we expect this being left out in the cold? What if it doesnt materialize? 49 years and you are still saying the same thing...the saddle is on your back but you will never be a race horse a donkey is a donkey.

[bill cobbett]

When should we expect this being left out in the cold? What if it doesnt materialize? 49 years and you are still saying the same thing...the saddle is on your back but you will never be a race horse a donkey is a donkey.

The horse race gets into the finishing straight in December with the appraisal of Jurkey's EU progress and the consequent opening of RoT ports and airspace - de facto recognition of the RoC.

You've backed the wrong donkey.