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[Paphitis]

Each time I contemplate the CyProb I never see the removal of Turkish troops as such a tall order as the question…”What happens next?”

What will the Greek Cypriots do if the Turkish army was to be thrown off Cyprus, or if you prefer if Turkey was to willingly depart?

Will we see a sudden rise in Greek nationalism again?

Will Greece decide it’s time to wiggle her way back in Cyprus again and some of my foolish compatriots welcome her?

If in this day and age and after all we’ve been through, there are STILL foolish Greek Cypriots having premature ejaculations over this diabolic fanatical movement referred to as “Hellenism” (whatever it may involve/mean) what would we have accomplished upon the removal of Turkey from Cyprus?

Nothing! We would be right back to the 15th of July 1974!

Perhaps the problem has nothing to do with Turkey or Greece, but with the world’s dumbest people… and I’m getting tired and embarrassed being a part of them.

GR you have hit the "bullseye" with this post! "What happens next?" is what most decent TC's worry about, would history repeat itself with foreign nationalism ( for Turkey or Greece ) clouding the minds of Cypriots. The reality is that there are TC's and GC's and we can't just ignore our "Turkishness" or "Greekness". THe fact is there has always been a silent wall between both communities and it ain't gonna tumble down anytime soon. The "Cypriot Nation" after independance never did mature enough to evolve into what GR dreams it of being. That isn't to say that I don't endorse it, I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

I think you are wrong Umit.

Most Cypriots are very non nationalistic these days. The CF is not a true representation of both GCs and TCs alike.

If we silence the likes of Zan, VP, Runway and Y-Fred, then you will be surprised how far things will progress under the EU umbrella. Mind you, on our side we have the likes of Byron (whom I believe is a TC) and James as well, and I don't think they help the situation either.

ENOSIS is dead and buried, and so is the Hellenic Orthodox Cyprus Republic. Over a few tinnies, some Zivania, things can be fixed quite quickly. But for this to happen, the Turkish Army needs to leave the TCs alone so that they can make their own decision.

I think the biggest issue is that most TCs still haven't moved on from the 60s and 70s era, where nationalism and division was rampant. They have been isolated from the GCs for so long that they can't possibly believe that things have significantly improved. And to top it all off, Turkey is manipulating this and instilling the fear that the TCs will never be safe with their GC patriots so that it can exploit the situation for its own selfish interests and certainly not the interests of the TCs.

[YFred]

Each time I contemplate the CyProb I never see the removal of Turkish troops as such a tall order as the question…”What happens next?”

What will the Greek Cypriots do if the Turkish army was to be thrown off Cyprus, or if you prefer if Turkey was to willingly depart?

Will we see a sudden rise in Greek nationalism again?

Will Greece decide it’s time to wiggle her way back in Cyprus again and some of my foolish compatriots welcome her?

If in this day and age and after all we’ve been through, there are STILL foolish Greek Cypriots having premature ejaculations over this diabolic fanatical movement referred to as “Hellenism” (whatever it may involve/mean) what would we have accomplished upon the removal of Turkey from Cyprus?

Nothing! We would be right back to the 15th of July 1974!

Perhaps the problem has nothing to do with Turkey or Greece, but with the world’s dumbest people… and I’m getting tired and embarrassed being a part of them.

GR you have hit the "bullseye" with this post! "What happens next?" is what most decent TC's worry about, would history repeat itself with foreign nationalism ( for Turkey or Greece ) clouding the minds of Cypriots. The reality is that there are TC's and GC's and we can't just ignore our "Turkishness" or "Greekness". THe fact is there has always been a silent wall between both communities and it ain't gonna tumble down anytime soon. The "Cypriot Nation" after independance never did mature enough to evolve into what GR dreams it of being. That isn't to say that I don't endorse it, I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

I think you are wrong Umit.

Most Cypriots are very non nationalistic these days. The CF is not a true representation of both GCs and TCs alike.

If we silence the likes of Zan, VP, Runway and Y-Fred, then you will be surprised how far things will progress under the EU umbrella. Mind you, on our side we have the likes of Byron (whom I believe is a TC) and James as well, and I don't think they help the situation either.

ENOSIS is dead and buried, and so is the Hellenic Orthodox Cyprus Republic. Over a few tinnies, some Zivania, things can be fixed quite quickly. But for this to happen, the Turkish Army needs to leave the TCs alone so that they can make their own decision.

I think the biggest issue is that most TCs still haven't moved on from the 60s and 70s era, where nationalism and division was rampant. They have been isolated from the GCs for so long that they can't possibly believe that things have significantly improved. And to top it all off, Turkey is manipulating this and instilling the fear that the TCs will never be safe with their GC patriots so that it can exploit the situation for its own selfish interests and certainly not the interests of the TCs.

You are going to do what? silence YFred?
What on earth for?

The trouble with you Bafiti is that you spend too much time upside down. Too much blood in the head me old cobber.

[bill cobbett]

Each time I contemplate the CyProb I never see the removal of Turkish troops as such a tall order as the question…”What happens next?”

What will the Greek Cypriots do if the Turkish army was to be thrown off Cyprus, or if you prefer if Turkey was to willingly depart?

Will we see a sudden rise in Greek nationalism again?

Will Greece decide it’s time to wiggle her way back in Cyprus again and some of my foolish compatriots welcome her?

If in this day and age and after all we’ve been through, there are STILL foolish Greek Cypriots having premature ejaculations over this diabolic fanatical movement referred to as “Hellenism” (whatever it may involve/mean) what would we have accomplished upon the removal of Turkey from Cyprus?

Nothing! We would be right back to the 15th of July 1974!

Perhaps the problem has nothing to do with Turkey or Greece, but with the world’s dumbest people… and I’m getting tired and embarrassed being a part of them.

GR you have hit the "bullseye" with this post! "What happens next?" is what most decent TC's worry about, would history repeat itself with foreign nationalism ( for Turkey or Greece ) clouding the minds of Cypriots. The reality is that there are TC's and GC's and we can't just ignore our "Turkishness" or "Greekness". THe fact is there has always been a silent wall between both communities and it ain't gonna tumble down anytime soon. The "Cypriot Nation" after independance never did mature enough to evolve into what GR dreams it of being. That isn't to say that I don't endorse it, I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

I think you are wrong Umit.

Most Cypriots are very non nationalistic these days. The CF is not a true representation of both GCs and TCs alike.

If we silence the likes of Zan, VP, Runway and Y-Fred, then you will be surprised how far things will progress under the EU umbrella. Mind you, on our side we have the likes of Byron (whom I believe is a TC) and James as well, and I don't think they help the situation either.

ENOSIS is dead and buried, and so is the Hellenic Orthodox Cyprus Republic. Over a few tinnies, some Zivania, things can be fixed quite quickly. But for this to happen, the Turkish Army needs to leave the TCs alone so that they can make their own decision.

I think the biggest issue is that most TCs still haven't moved on from the 60s and 70s era, where nationalism and division was rampant. They have been isolated from the GCs for so long that they can't possibly believe that things have significantly improved. And to top it all off, Turkey is manipulating this and instilling the fear that the TCs will never be safe with their GC patriots so that it can exploit the situation for its own selfish interests and certainly not the interests of the TCs.

Can I add a few things?

First, tissy security is overplayed cos of course it justifies a continued Jurkish Army. The god citizens of the Free Areas have already conceded a northern zone. That's a major, major concession and security enough.

Most present day tissies are young and youngsters by and large are more concerned with their iPods, their gaming, shagging eachother etc. Thetissy fanatics would have us believe otherwise of course. These tissy youngsters have the se cosmopolitan outlook on life as younsters everywhere. So the "memories" of the past are confined to the older people.

Fanatical extremists (both comms) - Modern-day Europe is awash with anti-racist, anti-discrimination laws. Things have changed so much even in my lifetime in this area. These laws are sufficient to bring before the courts those who who incite racial/ethnic hatred.

Enosis and Taksim - as already posted today, RoG and RoT to amend their constitutions to ban both putting an end to some people's wet-dreams.

[Paphitis]

Each time I contemplate the CyProb I never see the removal of Turkish troops as such a tall order as the question…”What happens next?”

What will the Greek Cypriots do if the Turkish army was to be thrown off Cyprus, or if you prefer if Turkey was to willingly depart?

Will we see a sudden rise in Greek nationalism again?

Will Greece decide it’s time to wiggle her way back in Cyprus again and some of my foolish compatriots welcome her?

If in this day and age and after all we’ve been through, there are STILL foolish Greek Cypriots having premature ejaculations over this diabolic fanatical movement referred to as “Hellenism” (whatever it may involve/mean) what would we have accomplished upon the removal of Turkey from Cyprus?

Nothing! We would be right back to the 15th of July 1974!

Perhaps the problem has nothing to do with Turkey or Greece, but with the world’s dumbest people… and I’m getting tired and embarrassed being a part of them.

GR you have hit the "bullseye" with this post! "What happens next?" is what most decent TC's worry about, would history repeat itself with foreign nationalism ( for Turkey or Greece ) clouding the minds of Cypriots. The reality is that there are TC's and GC's and we can't just ignore our "Turkishness" or "Greekness". THe fact is there has always been a silent wall between both communities and it ain't gonna tumble down anytime soon. The "Cypriot Nation" after independance never did mature enough to evolve into what GR dreams it of being. That isn't to say that I don't endorse it, I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

I think you are wrong Umit.

Most Cypriots are very non nationalistic these days. The CF is not a true representation of both GCs and TCs alike.

If we silence the likes of Zan, VP, Runway and Y-Fred, then you will be surprised how far things will progress under the EU umbrella. Mind you, on our side we have the likes of Byron (whom I believe is a TC) and James as well, and I don't think they help the situation either.

ENOSIS is dead and buried, and so is the Hellenic Orthodox Cyprus Republic. Over a few tinnies, some Zivania, things can be fixed quite quickly. But for this to happen, the Turkish Army needs to leave the TCs alone so that they can make their own decision.

I think the biggest issue is that most TCs still haven't moved on from the 60s and 70s era, where nationalism and division was rampant. They have been isolated from the GCs for so long that they can't possibly believe that things have significantly improved. And to top it all off, Turkey is manipulating this and instilling the fear that the TCs will never be safe with their GC patriots so that it can exploit the situation for its own selfish interests and certainly not the interests of the TCs.

Can I add a few things?

First, tissy security is overplayed cos of course it justifies a continued Jurkish Army. The god citizens of the Free Areas have already conceded a northern zone. That's a major, major concession and security enough.

Most present day tissies are young and youngsters by and large are more concerned with their iPods, their gaming, shagging eachother etc. Thetissy fanatics would have us believe otherwise of course. These tissy youngsters have the se cosmopolitan outlook on life as younsters everywhere. So the "memories" of the past are confined to the older people.

Fanatical extremists (both comms) - Modern-day Europe is awash with anti-racist, anti-discrimination laws. Things have changed so much even in my lifetime in this area. These laws are sufficient to bring before the courts those who who incite racial/ethnic hatred.

Enosis and Taksim - as already posted today, RoG and RoT to amend their constitutions to ban both putting an end to some people's wet-dreams.

If what you say is correct, and I have no reason to doubt it either, as the up coming generations are indeed much less nationalistic and would rather live the cosmopolitan cafe lifestyle, then why is it necessary to change any one's constitution?

I'm certain such a clause would be added into the new Cyprus constitution, but why get the RoG and RoT involved in this? They should have absolutely nothing to do with Cyprus. Even the ELDYK should go, and therefore, there should be no need for any TURDYK either!

[Get Real!]

Enosis and Taksim - as already posted today, RoG and RoT to amend their constitutions to ban both putting an end to some people's wet-dreams.

The RoC constitution already contains and contained, a clause or two dedicated to the prohibition of union with any country including Greece or Turkey, but that didn’t stop Greece from being the first to violate the agreements!

I think some people just don’t seem to realize the seriousness of Greece’s actions on the 15th of July 1974 when they attempted to overthrow the democratically elected government of Cyprus to force union with Greece!

[Paphitis]

Enosis and Taksim - as already posted today, RoG and RoT to amend their constitutions to ban both putting an end to some people's wet-dreams.

The RoC constitution already contains and contained, a clause or two dedicated to the prohibition of union with any country including Greece or Turkey, but that didn’t stop Greece from being the first to violate the agreements!

I think some people just don’t seem to realize the seriousness of Greece’s actions on the 15th of July 1974 when they attempted to overthrow the democratically elected government of Cyprus to force union with Greece!

We do know the seriousness of what Greece did, and we know the seriousness of what Turkey continues to do TODAY.

But that was then, and this is now.

Greece has no designs over Cyprus whatsoever, so you would be better served worrying about what Turkey plans to do in the future.

The other thing is that ALL foreign troops need to leave the island immediately, and I'm really surprised that the RoC Government has not requested that Greece remove its 1000 ELDYK contingent. That way, our politicians can lead by example when trying to tell Talat that any Treaty of Guarantee is unnecessary and defunct...

And what Greece did in 1974, it did under US coercion and with the support of the CNG and EOKA B, and there was very little that could be done about that.

So quit blaming Greece for all our troubles, especially when we had thousands of our very own violating the agreements from 1963 and onwards...

[bill cobbett]

Each time I contemplate the CyProb I never see the removal of Turkish troops as such a tall order as the question…”What happens next?”

What will the Greek Cypriots do if the Turkish army was to be thrown off Cyprus, or if you prefer if Turkey was to willingly depart?

Will we see a sudden rise in Greek nationalism again?

Will Greece decide it’s time to wiggle her way back in Cyprus again and some of my foolish compatriots welcome her?

If in this day and age and after all we’ve been through, there are STILL foolish Greek Cypriots having premature ejaculations over this diabolic fanatical movement referred to as “Hellenism” (whatever it may involve/mean) what would we have accomplished upon the removal of Turkey from Cyprus?

Nothing! We would be right back to the 15th of July 1974!

Perhaps the problem has nothing to do with Turkey or Greece, but with the world’s dumbest people… and I’m getting tired and embarrassed being a part of them.

GR you have hit the "bullseye" with this post! "What happens next?" is what most decent TC's worry about, would history repeat itself with foreign nationalism ( for Turkey or Greece ) clouding the minds of Cypriots. The reality is that there are TC's and GC's and we can't just ignore our "Turkishness" or "Greekness". THe fact is there has always been a silent wall between both communities and it ain't gonna tumble down anytime soon. The "Cypriot Nation" after independance never did mature enough to evolve into what GR dreams it of being. That isn't to say that I don't endorse it, I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

I think you are wrong Umit.

Most Cypriots are very non nationalistic these days. The CF is not a true representation of both GCs and TCs alike.

If we silence the likes of Zan, VP, Runway and Y-Fred, then you will be surprised how far things will progress under the EU umbrella. Mind you, on our side we have the likes of Byron (whom I believe is a TC) and James as well, and I don't think they help the situation either.

ENOSIS is dead and buried, and so is the Hellenic Orthodox Cyprus Republic. Over a few tinnies, some Zivania, things can be fixed quite quickly. But for this to happen, the Turkish Army needs to leave the TCs alone so that they can make their own decision.

I think the biggest issue is that most TCs still haven't moved on from the 60s and 70s era, where nationalism and division was rampant. They have been isolated from the GCs for so long that they can't possibly believe that things have significantly improved. And to top it all off, Turkey is manipulating this and instilling the fear that the TCs will never be safe with their GC patriots so that it can exploit the situation for its own selfish interests and certainly not the interests of the TCs.

Can I add a few things?

First, tissy security is overplayed cos of course it justifies a continued Jurkish Army. The god citizens of the Free Areas have already conceded a northern zone. That's a major, major concession and security enough.

Most present day tissies are young and youngsters by and large are more concerned with their iPods, their gaming, shagging eachother etc. Thetissy fanatics would have us believe otherwise of course. These tissy youngsters have the se cosmopolitan outlook on life as younsters everywhere. So the "memories" of the past are confined to the older people.

Fanatical extremists (both comms) - Modern-day Europe is awash with anti-racist, anti-discrimination laws. Things have changed so much even in my lifetime in this area. These laws are sufficient to bring before the courts those who who incite racial/ethnic hatred.

Enosis and Taksim - as already posted today, RoG and RoT to amend their constitutions to ban both putting an end to some people's wet-dreams.

If what you say is correct, and I have no reason to doubt it either, as the up coming generations are indeed much less nationalistic and would rather live the cosmopolitan cafe lifestyle, then why is it necessary to change any one's constitution?

I'm certain such a clause would be added into the new Cyprus constitution, but why get the RoG and RoT involved in this? They should have absolutely nothing to do with Cyprus. Even the ELDYK should go and therefore, there should be no need for any TURDYK either!

My dear Paphitis, I have in mind the situation, a few years ago, where post The Good Friday Peace Agreement, when the Republic of Ireland amended its constitution to include an article dropping any claims on the territory of Northern Ireland.

I also think such amendments sends a message to the aspiring unionists of both comms.

[YFred]

Each time I contemplate the CyProb I never see the removal of Turkish troops as such a tall order as the question…”What happens next?”

What will the Greek Cypriots do if the Turkish army was to be thrown off Cyprus, or if you prefer if Turkey was to willingly depart?

Will we see a sudden rise in Greek nationalism again?

Will Greece decide it’s time to wiggle her way back in Cyprus again and some of my foolish compatriots welcome her?

If in this day and age and after all we’ve been through, there are STILL foolish Greek Cypriots having premature ejaculations over this diabolic fanatical movement referred to as “Hellenism” (whatever it may involve/mean) what would we have accomplished upon the removal of Turkey from Cyprus?

Nothing! We would be right back to the 15th of July 1974!

Perhaps the problem has nothing to do with Turkey or Greece, but with the world’s dumbest people… and I’m getting tired and embarrassed being a part of them.

GR you have hit the "bullseye" with this post! "What happens next?" is what most decent TC's worry about, would history repeat itself with foreign nationalism ( for Turkey or Greece ) clouding the minds of Cypriots. The reality is that there are TC's and GC's and we can't just ignore our "Turkishness" or "Greekness". THe fact is there has always been a silent wall between both communities and it ain't gonna tumble down anytime soon. The "Cypriot Nation" after independance never did mature enough to evolve into what GR dreams it of being. That isn't to say that I don't endorse it, I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

I think you are wrong Umit.

Most Cypriots are very non nationalistic these days. The CF is not a true representation of both GCs and TCs alike.

If we silence the likes of Zan, VP, Runway and Y-Fred, then you will be surprised how far things will progress under the EU umbrella. Mind you, on our side we have the likes of Byron (whom I believe is a TC) and James as well, and I don't think they help the situation either.

ENOSIS is dead and buried, and so is the Hellenic Orthodox Cyprus Republic. Over a few tinnies, some Zivania, things can be fixed quite quickly. But for this to happen, the Turkish Army needs to leave the TCs alone so that they can make their own decision.

I think the biggest issue is that most TCs still haven't moved on from the 60s and 70s era, where nationalism and division was rampant. They have been isolated from the GCs for so long that they can't possibly believe that things have significantly improved. And to top it all off, Turkey is manipulating this and instilling the fear that the TCs will never be safe with their GC patriots so that it can exploit the situation for its own selfish interests and certainly not the interests of the TCs.

Can I add a few things?

First, tissy security is overplayed cos of course it justifies a continued Jurkish Army. The god citizens of the Free Areas have already conceded a northern zone. That's a major, major concession and security enough.

Most present day tissies are young and youngsters by and large are more concerned with their iPods, their gaming, shagging eachother etc. Thetissy fanatics would have us believe otherwise of course. These tissy youngsters have the se cosmopolitan outlook on life as younsters everywhere. So the "memories" of the past are confined to the older people.

Fanatical extremists (both comms) - Modern-day Europe is awash with anti-racist, anti-discrimination laws. Things have changed so much even in my lifetime in this area. These laws are sufficient to bring before the courts those who who incite racial/ethnic hatred.

Enosis and Taksim - as already posted today, RoG and RoT to amend their constitutions to ban both putting an end to some people's wet-dreams.

If what you say is correct, and I have no reason to doubt it either, as the up coming generations are indeed much less nationalistic and would rather live the cosmopolitan cafe lifestyle, then why is it necessary to change any one's constitution?

I'm certain such a clause would be added into the new Cyprus constitution, but why get the RoG and RoT involved in this? They should have absolutely nothing to do with Cyprus. Even the ELDYK should go and therefore, there should be no need for any TURDYK either!

My dear Paphitis, I have in mind the situation, a few years ago, where post The Good Friday Peace Agreement, when the Republic of Ireland amended its constitution to include an article dropping any claims on the territory of Northern Ireland.

I also think such amendments sends a message to the aspiring unionists of both comms.

You see Bill, he has Enosis in his heart and the ammendment kills it.

[Paphitis]

Each time I contemplate the CyProb I never see the removal of Turkish troops as such a tall order as the question…”What happens next?”

What will the Greek Cypriots do if the Turkish army was to be thrown off Cyprus, or if you prefer if Turkey was to willingly depart?

Will we see a sudden rise in Greek nationalism again?

Will Greece decide it’s time to wiggle her way back in Cyprus again and some of my foolish compatriots welcome her?

If in this day and age and after all we’ve been through, there are STILL foolish Greek Cypriots having premature ejaculations over this diabolic fanatical movement referred to as “Hellenism” (whatever it may involve/mean) what would we have accomplished upon the removal of Turkey from Cyprus?

Nothing! We would be right back to the 15th of July 1974!

Perhaps the problem has nothing to do with Turkey or Greece, but with the world’s dumbest people… and I’m getting tired and embarrassed being a part of them.

GR you have hit the "bullseye" with this post! "What happens next?" is what most decent TC's worry about, would history repeat itself with foreign nationalism ( for Turkey or Greece ) clouding the minds of Cypriots. The reality is that there are TC's and GC's and we can't just ignore our "Turkishness" or "Greekness". THe fact is there has always been a silent wall between both communities and it ain't gonna tumble down anytime soon. The "Cypriot Nation" after independance never did mature enough to evolve into what GR dreams it of being. That isn't to say that I don't endorse it, I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

I think you are wrong Umit.

Most Cypriots are very non nationalistic these days. The CF is not a true representation of both GCs and TCs alike.

If we silence the likes of Zan, VP, Runway and Y-Fred, then you will be surprised how far things will progress under the EU umbrella. Mind you, on our side we have the likes of Byron (whom I believe is a TC) and James as well, and I don't think they help the situation either.

ENOSIS is dead and buried, and so is the Hellenic Orthodox Cyprus Republic. Over a few tinnies, some Zivania, things can be fixed quite quickly. But for this to happen, the Turkish Army needs to leave the TCs alone so that they can make their own decision.

I think the biggest issue is that most TCs still haven't moved on from the 60s and 70s era, where nationalism and division was rampant. They have been isolated from the GCs for so long that they can't possibly believe that things have significantly improved. And to top it all off, Turkey is manipulating this and instilling the fear that the TCs will never be safe with their GC patriots so that it can exploit the situation for its own selfish interests and certainly not the interests of the TCs.

Can I add a few things?

First, tissy security is overplayed cos of course it justifies a continued Jurkish Army. The god citizens of the Free Areas have already conceded a northern zone. That's a major, major concession and security enough.

Most present day tissies are young and youngsters by and large are more concerned with their iPods, their gaming, shagging eachother etc. Thetissy fanatics would have us believe otherwise of course. These tissy youngsters have the se cosmopolitan outlook on life as younsters everywhere. So the "memories" of the past are confined to the older people.

Fanatical extremists (both comms) - Modern-day Europe is awash with anti-racist, anti-discrimination laws. Things have changed so much even in my lifetime in this area. These laws are sufficient to bring before the courts those who who incite racial/ethnic hatred.

Enosis and Taksim - as already posted today, RoG and RoT to amend their constitutions to ban both putting an end to some people's wet-dreams.

If what you say is correct, and I have no reason to doubt it either, as the up coming generations are indeed much less nationalistic and would rather live the cosmopolitan cafe lifestyle, then why is it necessary to change any one's constitution?

I'm certain such a clause would be added into the new Cyprus constitution, but why get the RoG and RoT involved in this? They should have absolutely nothing to do with Cyprus. Even the ELDYK should go and therefore, there should be no need for any TURDYK either!

My dear Paphitis, I have in mind the situation, a few years ago, where post The Good Friday Peace Agreement, when the Republic of Ireland amended its constitution to include an article dropping any claims on the territory of Northern Ireland.

I also think such amendments sends a message to the aspiring unionists of both comms.

You see Bill, he has Enosis in his heart and the ammendment kills it.

I'm pretty sure that if any significant portion of the population had such aspirations, then no amendment will stop them.

BTW doofus, I'm all in favor of such an amendment within the new RoC constitution.

[YFred]

Each time I contemplate the CyProb I never see the removal of Turkish troops as such a tall order as the question…”What happens next?”

What will the Greek Cypriots do if the Turkish army was to be thrown off Cyprus, or if you prefer if Turkey was to willingly depart?

Will we see a sudden rise in Greek nationalism again?

Will Greece decide it’s time to wiggle her way back in Cyprus again and some of my foolish compatriots welcome her?

If in this day and age and after all we’ve been through, there are STILL foolish Greek Cypriots having premature ejaculations over this diabolic fanatical movement referred to as “Hellenism” (whatever it may involve/mean) what would we have accomplished upon the removal of Turkey from Cyprus?

Nothing! We would be right back to the 15th of July 1974!

Perhaps the problem has nothing to do with Turkey or Greece, but with the world’s dumbest people… and I’m getting tired and embarrassed being a part of them.

GR you have hit the "bullseye" with this post! "What happens next?" is what most decent TC's worry about, would history repeat itself with foreign nationalism ( for Turkey or Greece ) clouding the minds of Cypriots. The reality is that there are TC's and GC's and we can't just ignore our "Turkishness" or "Greekness". THe fact is there has always been a silent wall between both communities and it ain't gonna tumble down anytime soon. The "Cypriot Nation" after independance never did mature enough to evolve into what GR dreams it of being. That isn't to say that I don't endorse it, I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

I think you are wrong Umit.

Most Cypriots are very non nationalistic these days. The CF is not a true representation of both GCs and TCs alike.

If we silence the likes of Zan, VP, Runway and Y-Fred, then you will be surprised how far things will progress under the EU umbrella. Mind you, on our side we have the likes of Byron (whom I believe is a TC) and James as well, and I don't think they help the situation either.

ENOSIS is dead and buried, and so is the Hellenic Orthodox Cyprus Republic. Over a few tinnies, some Zivania, things can be fixed quite quickly. But for this to happen, the Turkish Army needs to leave the TCs alone so that they can make their own decision.

I think the biggest issue is that most TCs still haven't moved on from the 60s and 70s era, where nationalism and division was rampant. They have been isolated from the GCs for so long that they can't possibly believe that things have significantly improved. And to top it all off, Turkey is manipulating this and instilling the fear that the TCs will never be safe with their GC patriots so that it can exploit the situation for its own selfish interests and certainly not the interests of the TCs.

Can I add a few things?

First, tissy security is overplayed cos of course it justifies a continued Jurkish Army. The god citizens of the Free Areas have already conceded a northern zone. That's a major, major concession and security enough.

Most present day tissies are young and youngsters by and large are more concerned with their iPods, their gaming, shagging eachother etc. Thetissy fanatics would have us believe otherwise of course. These tissy youngsters have the se cosmopolitan outlook on life as younsters everywhere. So the "memories" of the past are confined to the older people.

Fanatical extremists (both comms) - Modern-day Europe is awash with anti-racist, anti-discrimination laws. Things have changed so much even in my lifetime in this area. These laws are sufficient to bring before the courts those who who incite racial/ethnic hatred.

Enosis and Taksim - as already posted today, RoG and RoT to amend their constitutions to ban both putting an end to some people's wet-dreams.

If what you say is correct, and I have no reason to doubt it either, as the up coming generations are indeed much less nationalistic and would rather live the cosmopolitan cafe lifestyle, then why is it necessary to change any one's constitution?

I'm certain such a clause would be added into the new Cyprus constitution, but why get the RoG and RoT involved in this? They should have absolutely nothing to do with Cyprus. Even the ELDYK should go and therefore, there should be no need for any TURDYK either!

My dear Paphitis, I have in mind the situation, a few years ago, where post The Good Friday Peace Agreement, when the Republic of Ireland amended its constitution to include an article dropping any claims on the territory of Northern Ireland.

I also think such amendments sends a message to the aspiring unionists of both comms.

You see Bill, he has Enosis in his heart and the ammendment kills it.

I'm pretty sure that if any significant portion of the population had such aspirations, then no amendment will stop them.

BTW doofus, I'm all in favor of such an amendment within the new RoC constitution.

What is it you have between your ears shit or something, isn't that what caused the problem all along. Do you never learn?
I'll say it simple language for you, you can have enosis anytime you want, with your part of the island. Is that fair or is that fair?
Shithead.