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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:32 am

denizaksulu wrote:I am not much bothered about the CT's but more concerned with the TC's.

No doubt this will please the RoC and then open its arms and welcome TCs back into the fold and treat them as equal citizens. :?

I doubt it. There are too many 'partitionists' in the RoC or am I wrong?


I was only humouring the recent Eroglu guidelines of defining all TCs as CTs so as to not differentiate between TCs and Turkish settlers.

But as you know, the RoC does differentiate between TCs and settlers.

Those TCs that genuinely want a free united Cyprus based on True Federation, democracy and human rights have nothing to worry about.
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Postby DT. » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:34 am

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denizaksulu wrote:I am not much bothered about the CT's but more concerned with the TC's.

No doubt this will please the RoC and then open its arms and welcome TCs back into the fold and treat them as equal citizens. :?

I doubt it. There are too many 'partitionists' in the RoC or am I wrong?

The Greek nationalists are still as much a problem to the future of Cyprus as Turkey is…

For as long as there’s a significant number of GCs that still subscribe to the ridiculous fantasies that they are “Hellenic”, that Cyprus is some kind of unfortunate Greek island, and similar treasonous rubbish we will never see the light of day!

The RoC government must come down hard on these fools by outlawing such destructive behavior.


The ROC will find it difficult to come down on these "fools" when for example: its leading the way in recognising the work Hellenic lobbies in the US, do for Cyprus.

Phileleftheros today lists some of the annual funding received by US lobby groups.

Patton Boggs Annual Amount of $1,243,500
The INternational Coordinating Committee "Justice for Cyprus" $100,000
The group of Coordinated Effort of Hellenes in the US $300,000
The American Hellenic Institute $200,000
Cypriot Federation of the US $125,000

Once again there needs to be a division that's reasonable. Pride in country, and flag is one thing. Pride in ethnic or cultural background is another.

The 2 can co-exist and one can be a proud Cypriot without having to disown his Greek Orthodox religion, culture and language. The government knows it which is why Greece despite its contemporary useless political leadership, is treated as our most valuable ally today. When a communist govt (who's party has suffered the most from the Greek-inspired fascists of the past) can see this because of the interests of our country then no one else should have an issue facing it.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:43 am

Kikapu wrote:TURKEY READY TO SUPPORT A MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE PLAN IN CYPRUS

28 June 2009, Sunday

Turkish Minister of State and Chief Negotiator for the European Union Egemen Bagis has said ‘if the two leaders on the island reach an agreement that is acceptable by both sides, Turkey will support this solution as well’.

In an interview he gave to a newspaper, the Turkish Minister of State evaluated the Cyprus issue and Turkey’s EU prospective.

Answering a question regarding Turkey opening its ports to Greek Cypriot vessels, Mr. Bagis said the moment Turkey does this; it will mean that it has accepted the Greek Cypriot Administration as the sovereign state on the island.

Showing Taiwan as an example Mr. Bagis said ‘the whole world is trading with Taiwan but this doesn’t mean that they recognize that country.

The European Union had decided to end the isolation on the 26th of April 2004 of the Turks of Cyprus but this doesn’t mean that the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will be recognized’, said Mr. Bagis.

Reminding that the Annan Plan wasn’t perfect but was supported because it was a just plan Mr. Bagis said as soon as the leaders in Cyprus come up with a mutually acceptable plan, Turkey is ready to support a solution plan once again.

Referring to Turkey’s EU prospective, the EU Chief Negotiator said Turkey is determined to conclude its negotiations process with the EU.

‘We want full membership to the EU and will not accept anything less.
Full membership of nothing’, he added.

http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/51357

"Answering a question regarding Turkey opening its ports to Greek Cypriot vessels, Mr. Bagis said the moment Turkey does this; it will mean that it has accepted the Greek Cypriot Administration as the sovereign state on the island.

Showing Taiwan as an example Mr. Bagis said ‘the whole world is trading with Taiwan but this doesn’t mean that they recognize that country."


The above seems to contradict each other.

"If Turkey opens its ports to Greek-Cypriot vessels, it won't mean that it recognises the Greek-Cypriot administration as the prevalent country on the whole island," he said.


Further contradictions with the above what Paphitis posted.

To me, it sounds like Turkey is getting ready to bend on the opening of the ports issue to the RoC, but will use the Taiwan as an example, where Turkey does business with Taiwan at present, along with the rest of the world, but officially do not recognise Taiwan, again, along with the rest of the world. This will get Turkey off the hook come December's dead-line with the EU. The EU may as a good gesture make some limited concessions on the north, perhaps also citing Taiwan as an example, but I do not expect full trade to be established with the north as to what Turkey wants as a trade off by opening it's ports and airspace to the RoC, because the two issues are not related on Turkey's path to EU membership. Turkey has only been using the EU-north non trade as an excuse to delay opening her ports and air space to the RoC.


It is very interesting to view these contradictory reports from the international press, Turkey and the "trnc" media.

I happen to agree with you in that I believe the Erdogan Government is starting to see the futility of its stance on Cyprus and how this stance will impact its EU ambitions for full membership. On the one hand we have Turkey preparing to make some major concessions in time for the December progress report, and on the other hand we have the "trnc" which is finding it difficult to come to terms with reality.

I don't believe full trade with the "trnc" can be implemented, but I do believe that if Turkey does choose to comply with the EU directive of opening her ports and airspace, then some other gestures will be made such as increased EU assistance to the TCs.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:00 pm

DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:I am not much bothered about the CT's but more concerned with the TC's.

No doubt this will please the RoC and then open its arms and welcome TCs back into the fold and treat them as equal citizens. :?

I doubt it. There are too many 'partitionists' in the RoC or am I wrong?

The Greek nationalists are still as much a problem to the future of Cyprus as Turkey is…

For as long as there’s a significant number of GCs that still subscribe to the ridiculous fantasies that they are “Hellenic”, that Cyprus is some kind of unfortunate Greek island, and similar treasonous rubbish we will never see the light of day!

The RoC government must come down hard on these fools by outlawing such destructive behavior.


The ROC will find it difficult to come down on these "fools" when for example: its leading the way in recognising the work Hellenic lobbies in the US, do for Cyprus.

Phileleftheros today lists some of the annual funding received by US lobby groups.

Patton Boggs Annual Amount of $1,243,500
The INternational Coordinating Committee "Justice for Cyprus" $100,000
The group of Coordinated Effort of Hellenes in the US $300,000
The American Hellenic Institute $200,000
Cypriot Federation of the US $125,000

Once again there needs to be a division that's reasonable. Pride in country, and flag is one thing. Pride in ethnic or cultural background is another.

The 2 can co-exist and one can be a proud Cypriot without having to disown his Greek Orthodox religion, culture and language. The government knows it which is why Greece despite its contemporary useless political leadership, is treated as our most valuable ally today. When a communist govt (who's party has suffered the most from the Greek-inspired fascists of the past) can see this because of the interests of our country then no one else should have an issue facing it.


DT, quite sadly, GR!s inebriated brain is drawing parallels between those GCs that dare to call themselves Greek Cypriots and express some pride in their ethnicity, with the Junta and Enosis movement.

He has even gone as far to say that anyone who dares express some pride in their Hellenic Ethnicity, is a traitor of Cyprus and that the RoC needs to come down hard on these individuals.

What is the RoC suppose to do? Outlaw Hellenism and charge all Hellene Cypriots? The RoC better start building many prisons if that is the case, because just about all GCs may fall foul of such laws.

Its OK to be Cypriot as well as Greek Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot. This is the balance we will find. A free united Cyprus where all Cypriots can freely express there cultural differences within a multicultural society that Cyprus is and will become even more when we are united with the TCs.

Being a GC does not make you a traitor to Cyprus, and neither does it mean you support Enosis. Likewise, being a TC does not mean you are a partitionist.

Here is a recent photo of GR!:

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Postby EPSILON » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:01 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:TURKEY READY TO SUPPORT A MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE PLAN IN CYPRUS

28 June 2009, Sunday

Turkish Minister of State and Chief Negotiator for the European Union Egemen Bagis has said ‘if the two leaders on the island reach an agreement that is acceptable by both sides, Turkey will support this solution as well’.

In an interview he gave to a newspaper, the Turkish Minister of State evaluated the Cyprus issue and Turkey’s EU prospective.

Answering a question regarding Turkey opening its ports to Greek Cypriot vessels, Mr. Bagis said the moment Turkey does this; it will mean that it has accepted the Greek Cypriot Administration as the sovereign state on the island.

Showing Taiwan as an example Mr. Bagis said ‘the whole world is trading with Taiwan but this doesn’t mean that they recognize that country.

The European Union had decided to end the isolation on the 26th of April 2004 of the Turks of Cyprus but this doesn’t mean that the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will be recognized’, said Mr. Bagis.

Reminding that the Annan Plan wasn’t perfect but was supported because it was a just plan Mr. Bagis said as soon as the leaders in Cyprus come up with a mutually acceptable plan, Turkey is ready to support a solution plan once again.

Referring to Turkey’s EU prospective, the EU Chief Negotiator said Turkey is determined to conclude its negotiations process with the EU.

‘We want full membership to the EU and will not accept anything less.
Full membership of nothing’, he added.

http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/51357

"Answering a question regarding Turkey opening its ports to Greek Cypriot vessels, Mr. Bagis said the moment Turkey does this; it will mean that it has accepted the Greek Cypriot Administration as the sovereign state on the island.

Showing Taiwan as an example Mr. Bagis said ‘the whole world is trading with Taiwan but this doesn’t mean that they recognize that country."


The above seems to contradict each other.

"If Turkey opens its ports to Greek-Cypriot vessels, it won't mean that it recognises the Greek-Cypriot administration as the prevalent country on the whole island," he said.


Further contradictions with the above what Paphitis posted.

To me, it sounds like Turkey is getting ready to bend on the opening of the ports issue to the RoC, but will use the Taiwan as an example, where Turkey does business with Taiwan at present, along with the rest of the world, but officially do not recognise Taiwan, again, along with the rest of the world. This will get Turkey off the hook come December's dead-line with the EU. The EU may as a good gesture make some limited concessions on the north, perhaps also citing Taiwan as an example, but I do not expect full trade to be established with the north as to what Turkey wants as a trade off by opening it's ports and airspace to the RoC, because the two issues are not related on Turkey's path to EU membership. Turkey has only been using the EU-north non trade as an excuse to delay opening her ports and air space to the RoC.


It is very interesting to view these contradictory reports from the international press, Turkey and the "trnc" media.

I happen to agree with you in that I believe the Erdogan Government is starting to see the futility of its stance on Cyprus and how this stance will impact its EU ambitions for full membership. On the one hand we have Turkey preparing to make some major concessions in time for the December progress report, and on the other hand we have the "trnc" which is finding it difficult to come to terms with reality.

I don't believe full trade with the "trnc" can be implemented, but I do believe that if Turkey does choose to comply with the EU directive of opening her ports and airspace, then some other gestures will be made such as increased EU assistance to the TCs.


You are right-basis on the fulish Greek side policy, giving a lawfull subject against an illegal action.What to hell a EU regulation for free trade between EU countries and candidate country has to do with the trade between EU and an illegal establishment.?
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Postby DT. » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:13 pm

Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:I am not much bothered about the CT's but more concerned with the TC's.

No doubt this will please the RoC and then open its arms and welcome TCs back into the fold and treat them as equal citizens. :?

I doubt it. There are too many 'partitionists' in the RoC or am I wrong?

The Greek nationalists are still as much a problem to the future of Cyprus as Turkey is…

For as long as there’s a significant number of GCs that still subscribe to the ridiculous fantasies that they are “Hellenic”, that Cyprus is some kind of unfortunate Greek island, and similar treasonous rubbish we will never see the light of day!

The RoC government must come down hard on these fools by outlawing such destructive behavior.


The ROC will find it difficult to come down on these "fools" when for example: its leading the way in recognising the work Hellenic lobbies in the US, do for Cyprus.

Phileleftheros today lists some of the annual funding received by US lobby groups.

Patton Boggs Annual Amount of $1,243,500
The INternational Coordinating Committee "Justice for Cyprus" $100,000
The group of Coordinated Effort of Hellenes in the US $300,000
The American Hellenic Institute $200,000
Cypriot Federation of the US $125,000

Once again there needs to be a division that's reasonable. Pride in country, and flag is one thing. Pride in ethnic or cultural background is another.

The 2 can co-exist and one can be a proud Cypriot without having to disown his Greek Orthodox religion, culture and language. The government knows it which is why Greece despite its contemporary useless political leadership, is treated as our most valuable ally today. When a communist govt (who's party has suffered the most from the Greek-inspired fascists of the past) can see this because of the interests of our country then no one else should have an issue facing it.


DT, quite sadly, GR!s inebriated brain is drawing parallels between those GCs that dare to call themselves Greek Cypriots and express some pride in their ethnicity, with the Junta and Enosis movement.

He has even gone as far to say that anyone who dares express some pride in their Hellenic Ethnicity, is a traitor of Cyprus and that the RoC needs to come down hard on these individuals.

What is the RoC suppose to do? Outlaw Hellenism and charge all Hellene Cypriots? The RoC better start building many prisons if that is the case, because just about all GCs may fall foul of such laws.

Its OK to be Cypriot as well as Greek Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot. This is the balance we will find. A free united Cyprus where all Cypriots can freely express there cultural differences within a multicultural society that Cyprus is and will become even more when we are united with the TCs.

Being a GC does not make you a traitor to Cyprus, and neither does it mean you support Enosis. Likewise, being a TC does not mean you are a partitionist.

Here is a recent photo of GR!:

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What a lot of people like GR! are trying to say is basically not to fall into the Turkish argument that there are 2 people's on this island. This argument stands in my opinion and its a very fine balance between doing the 2.

If there is only one Cypriot nationality, one Cypriot people then obviously there would be no need or argument for federations or partitions but a purely democratic unitary state.
This to me would be ideal. I don't want to talk for GR! or anyone else who thinks that way but again my opinion is that on the road to cautioning people about the dangers of considering yourself Hellenic or Turkish on this island the arguments begin to get extreme (what usually happens with most arguments on this forum).

The truth (again in my opinion) as usual lies somewhere in the middle. Pride for flag and country and respect for ethnic culture.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:18 pm

EPSILON wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:TURKEY READY TO SUPPORT A MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE PLAN IN CYPRUS

28 June 2009, Sunday

Turkish Minister of State and Chief Negotiator for the European Union Egemen Bagis has said ‘if the two leaders on the island reach an agreement that is acceptable by both sides, Turkey will support this solution as well’.

In an interview he gave to a newspaper, the Turkish Minister of State evaluated the Cyprus issue and Turkey’s EU prospective.

Answering a question regarding Turkey opening its ports to Greek Cypriot vessels, Mr. Bagis said the moment Turkey does this; it will mean that it has accepted the Greek Cypriot Administration as the sovereign state on the island.

Showing Taiwan as an example Mr. Bagis said ‘the whole world is trading with Taiwan but this doesn’t mean that they recognize that country.

The European Union had decided to end the isolation on the 26th of April 2004 of the Turks of Cyprus but this doesn’t mean that the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will be recognized’, said Mr. Bagis.

Reminding that the Annan Plan wasn’t perfect but was supported because it was a just plan Mr. Bagis said as soon as the leaders in Cyprus come up with a mutually acceptable plan, Turkey is ready to support a solution plan once again.

Referring to Turkey’s EU prospective, the EU Chief Negotiator said Turkey is determined to conclude its negotiations process with the EU.

‘We want full membership to the EU and will not accept anything less.
Full membership of nothing’, he added.

http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/51357

"Answering a question regarding Turkey opening its ports to Greek Cypriot vessels, Mr. Bagis said the moment Turkey does this; it will mean that it has accepted the Greek Cypriot Administration as the sovereign state on the island.

Showing Taiwan as an example Mr. Bagis said ‘the whole world is trading with Taiwan but this doesn’t mean that they recognize that country."


The above seems to contradict each other.

"If Turkey opens its ports to Greek-Cypriot vessels, it won't mean that it recognises the Greek-Cypriot administration as the prevalent country on the whole island," he said.


Further contradictions with the above what Paphitis posted.

To me, it sounds like Turkey is getting ready to bend on the opening of the ports issue to the RoC, but will use the Taiwan as an example, where Turkey does business with Taiwan at present, along with the rest of the world, but officially do not recognise Taiwan, again, along with the rest of the world. This will get Turkey off the hook come December's dead-line with the EU. The EU may as a good gesture make some limited concessions on the north, perhaps also citing Taiwan as an example, but I do not expect full trade to be established with the north as to what Turkey wants as a trade off by opening it's ports and airspace to the RoC, because the two issues are not related on Turkey's path to EU membership. Turkey has only been using the EU-north non trade as an excuse to delay opening her ports and air space to the RoC.


It is very interesting to view these contradictory reports from the international press, Turkey and the "trnc" media.

I happen to agree with you in that I believe the Erdogan Government is starting to see the futility of its stance on Cyprus and how this stance will impact its EU ambitions for full membership. On the one hand we have Turkey preparing to make some major concessions in time for the December progress report, and on the other hand we have the "trnc" which is finding it difficult to come to terms with reality.

I don't believe full trade with the "trnc" can be implemented, but I do believe that if Turkey does choose to comply with the EU directive of opening her ports and airspace, then some other gestures will be made such as increased EU assistance to the TCs.


You are right-basis on the fulish Greek side policy, giving a lawfull subject against an illegal action.What to hell a EU regulation for free trade between EU countries and candidate country has to do with the trade between EU and an illegal establishment.?


Foolish are those that read but don't comprehend. :roll:

I was not advocating free trade with the "trnc". This can't happen unless the goods are imported or exported through RoC declared legal points of entry.

I do however see that Turkey is starting to lay the ground work for full compliance with EU directives on opening its ports and airspace, and given that her ambitions are for full EU accession, then I don't see that Turkey has much choice on the matter.

This gesture would surely have to be reciprocated, with possible EU financial assistance to the TCs.
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Postby EPSILON » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:23 pm

Paphitis wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kikapu wrote:TURKEY READY TO SUPPORT A MUTUALLY ACCEPTABLE PLAN IN CYPRUS

28 June 2009, Sunday

Turkish Minister of State and Chief Negotiator for the European Union Egemen Bagis has said ‘if the two leaders on the island reach an agreement that is acceptable by both sides, Turkey will support this solution as well’.

In an interview he gave to a newspaper, the Turkish Minister of State evaluated the Cyprus issue and Turkey’s EU prospective.

Answering a question regarding Turkey opening its ports to Greek Cypriot vessels, Mr. Bagis said the moment Turkey does this; it will mean that it has accepted the Greek Cypriot Administration as the sovereign state on the island.

Showing Taiwan as an example Mr. Bagis said ‘the whole world is trading with Taiwan but this doesn’t mean that they recognize that country.

The European Union had decided to end the isolation on the 26th of April 2004 of the Turks of Cyprus but this doesn’t mean that the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will be recognized’, said Mr. Bagis.

Reminding that the Annan Plan wasn’t perfect but was supported because it was a just plan Mr. Bagis said as soon as the leaders in Cyprus come up with a mutually acceptable plan, Turkey is ready to support a solution plan once again.

Referring to Turkey’s EU prospective, the EU Chief Negotiator said Turkey is determined to conclude its negotiations process with the EU.

‘We want full membership to the EU and will not accept anything less.
Full membership of nothing’, he added.

http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/51357

"Answering a question regarding Turkey opening its ports to Greek Cypriot vessels, Mr. Bagis said the moment Turkey does this; it will mean that it has accepted the Greek Cypriot Administration as the sovereign state on the island.

Showing Taiwan as an example Mr. Bagis said ‘the whole world is trading with Taiwan but this doesn’t mean that they recognize that country."


The above seems to contradict each other.

"If Turkey opens its ports to Greek-Cypriot vessels, it won't mean that it recognises the Greek-Cypriot administration as the prevalent country on the whole island," he said.


Further contradictions with the above what Paphitis posted.

To me, it sounds like Turkey is getting ready to bend on the opening of the ports issue to the RoC, but will use the Taiwan as an example, where Turkey does business with Taiwan at present, along with the rest of the world, but officially do not recognise Taiwan, again, along with the rest of the world. This will get Turkey off the hook come December's dead-line with the EU. The EU may as a good gesture make some limited concessions on the north, perhaps also citing Taiwan as an example, but I do not expect full trade to be established with the north as to what Turkey wants as a trade off by opening it's ports and airspace to the RoC, because the two issues are not related on Turkey's path to EU membership. Turkey has only been using the EU-north non trade as an excuse to delay opening her ports and air space to the RoC.


It is very interesting to view these contradictory reports from the international press, Turkey and the "trnc" media.

I happen to agree with you in that I believe the Erdogan Government is starting to see the futility of its stance on Cyprus and how this stance will impact its EU ambitions for full membership. On the one hand we have Turkey preparing to make some major concessions in time for the December progress report, and on the other hand we have the "trnc" which is finding it difficult to come to terms with reality.

I don't believe full trade with the "trnc" can be implemented, but I do believe that if Turkey does choose to comply with the EU directive of opening her ports and airspace, then some other gestures will be made such as increased EU assistance to the TCs.


You are right-basis on the fulish Greek side policy, giving a lawfull subject against an illegal action.What to hell a EU regulation for free trade between EU countries and candidate country has to do with the trade between EU and an illegal establishment.?


Foolish are those that read but don't comprehend. :roll:

I was not advocating free trade with the "trnc". This can't happen unless the goods are imported or exported through RoC declared legal points of entry.

I do however see that Turkey is starting to lay the ground work for full compliance with EU directives on opening its ports and airspace, and given that her ambitions are for full EU accession, then I don't see that Turkey has much choice on the matter.

This gesture would surely have to be reciprocated, with possible EU financial assistance to the TCs.


Maybe you did not read the full statement of the Turkish ministr- he said" the first vessel under Cyprus flag to be allowed to call a Turkish port will be this which will load oranges from Famagusta for delivery to Turkey"
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:30 pm

DT. wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:I am not much bothered about the CT's but more concerned with the TC's.

No doubt this will please the RoC and then open its arms and welcome TCs back into the fold and treat them as equal citizens. :?

I doubt it. There are too many 'partitionists' in the RoC or am I wrong?

The Greek nationalists are still as much a problem to the future of Cyprus as Turkey is…

For as long as there’s a significant number of GCs that still subscribe to the ridiculous fantasies that they are “Hellenic”, that Cyprus is some kind of unfortunate Greek island, and similar treasonous rubbish we will never see the light of day!

The RoC government must come down hard on these fools by outlawing such destructive behavior.


The ROC will find it difficult to come down on these "fools" when for example: its leading the way in recognising the work Hellenic lobbies in the US, do for Cyprus.

Phileleftheros today lists some of the annual funding received by US lobby groups.

Patton Boggs Annual Amount of $1,243,500
The INternational Coordinating Committee "Justice for Cyprus" $100,000
The group of Coordinated Effort of Hellenes in the US $300,000
The American Hellenic Institute $200,000
Cypriot Federation of the US $125,000

Once again there needs to be a division that's reasonable. Pride in country, and flag is one thing. Pride in ethnic or cultural background is another.

The 2 can co-exist and one can be a proud Cypriot without having to disown his Greek Orthodox religion, culture and language. The government knows it which is why Greece despite its contemporary useless political leadership, is treated as our most valuable ally today. When a communist govt (who's party has suffered the most from the Greek-inspired fascists of the past) can see this because of the interests of our country then no one else should have an issue facing it.


DT, quite sadly, GR!s inebriated brain is drawing parallels between those GCs that dare to call themselves Greek Cypriots and express some pride in their ethnicity, with the Junta and Enosis movement.

He has even gone as far to say that anyone who dares express some pride in their Hellenic Ethnicity, is a traitor of Cyprus and that the RoC needs to come down hard on these individuals.

What is the RoC suppose to do? Outlaw Hellenism and charge all Hellene Cypriots? The RoC better start building many prisons if that is the case, because just about all GCs may fall foul of such laws.

Its OK to be Cypriot as well as Greek Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot. This is the balance we will find. A free united Cyprus where all Cypriots can freely express there cultural differences within a multicultural society that Cyprus is and will become even more when we are united with the TCs.

Being a GC does not make you a traitor to Cyprus, and neither does it mean you support Enosis. Likewise, being a TC does not mean you are a partitionist.

Here is a recent photo of GR!:

Image


What a lot of people like GR! are trying to say is basically not to fall into the Turkish argument that there are 2 people's on this island. This argument stands in my opinion and its a very fine balance between doing the 2.

If there is only one Cypriot nationality, one Cypriot people then obviously there would be no need or argument for federations or partitions but a purely democratic unitary state.
This to me would be ideal. I don't want to talk for GR! or anyone else who thinks that way but again my opinion is that on the road to cautioning people about the dangers of considering yourself Hellenic or Turkish on this island the arguments begin to get extreme (what usually happens with most arguments on this forum).

The truth (again in my opinion) as usual lies somewhere in the middle. Pride for flag and country and respect for ethnic culture.


I also hold the same opinion, but GR! is taking this to the extreme by telling us that we must reject our ethnicity outright. Such foolish idiocies are unrealistic and I'm afraid that GR! is deliberately blurring the fine line between nationhood and ethnos.

I don't believe there are many GCs that do not hold the one sovereign Cyprus, one people ideals. Naturally there will be one Cypriot nationality encompassing GCs, TCs, ACs, LCs, MCs and BCs as ethnicities. This is common practice in many multicultural countries. And these multicultural countries relish the color and diversity.

I also think we are far beyond a complete unitary state. This is what we had in 1960 when we all conspired and messed things up. Now, the RoC has agreed to a Cyprus Federation, which is not at all bad as long as this Federation is based on True Federation based on full freedoms of movement, one man one vote and Human Rights for ALL EQUAL citizens. These are the realities today, and GR would be wise to accept these realities instead of causing friction and division amongst GCs and TCs. :roll:
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