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[Get Real!]

Greece:

http://www.politicalterrorscale.org/cou ... try=Greece

Amnesty International Score = 3

Well done Paphitis for highlighting that in Greece...

"There is extensive political imprisonment, or a recent history of such imprisonment. Execution or other political murders and brutality may be common. Unlimited detention, with or without a trial, for political views is accepted."

[Paphitis]

With all this talk of human rights I thought it deserved its own thread. I'll kick it off with an interesting map from privacyinternational.org which has identified which countries provide privacy protection and which countries are guilty of extensive surveillance on their own citizens in breach of their human rights. The findings are a little surprising...turns out the worst offenders are China, Russia, Malaysia, GREAT BRITAIN and the USA.



The entire study can be found here

http://www.privacyinternational.org/art ... 347-559597

The countries above are only those which have implemented an extensive multi-layered Surveillance Apparatus. Surveillance by its very nature, can be deemed a violation of Human Rights, because it can involve violating citizen's privacy. But in this day ad age it has become necessary to protect citizens from terrorism and crime.

[Paphitis]

Greece:

http://www.politicalterrorscale.org/cou ... try=Greece

Amnesty International Score = 3

Well done Paphitis for highlighting that in Greece...

"There is extensive political imprisonment, or a recent history of such imprisonment. Execution or other political murders and brutality may be common. Unlimited detention, with or without a trial, for political views is accepted."

According to the US State Department, Greece is ranked and scored exactly the same as Cyprus.

Greece:

http://www.politicalterrorscale.org/cou ... try=Greece

Amnesty International Score = 3
US State Department Score = 2

Cyprus:

http://www.politicalterrorscale.org/cou ... try=Cyprus

Amnesty International Score = 2
US State Department Score = 2

3 : There is extensive political imprisonment, or a recent history of such imprisonment. Execution or other political murders and brutality may be common. Unlimited detention, with or without a trial, for political views is accepted.

2 : There is a limited amount of imprisonment for nonviolent political activity. However, few persons are affected, torture and beatings are exceptional. Political murder is rare.

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Go back to sleep GR! - you irrational and unreasonable git!

[Paphitis]

The top 100 Human Rights abusers:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Tables/4_col_ ... 30,00.html

Please note that neither Greece or Cyprus are ranked within the world's 100 HR abusers. Turkey however is present in all her glory.

Anyone who taints Greece and Turkey with the same brush, whilst defending Iranian HR abuses within the same breath is just downright STUPID!

Stupid is when one gets their information about “HR abuses” from a newspaper which places the Republic of Yugoslavia is the top spot despite the fact that it ceased to exist in 1992!

Stupid is when one makes the sweeping statement that Greece is “not ranked within the world's 100 HR abusers” in this silly table, because they haven’t bothered to click on the link below it to see the second page of that list where they’ll find Greece in the 57th spot…

Greece 10.6 0.867 122,946 6.94

And finally, stupid is when one thinks they’ve struck gold with this junk link (for HR abuses) and have the audacity to call others “stupid” with a giant font!

Paphitis, if anything today you’ve learned that “stupid” is what you see in the mirror every day.

Anyone who has the audacity to create threads about Greek HR abuses and then dismiss Iranian HR abuses within the same breath, is not only STUPID, but is also incapable of reason and rational debate!

GR!, you have lost all ability to counter any argument in a rational manner, because YOU dismiss Iranian HR abuses, since you agree with their anti-western ideals, whilst highlighting Greek HR abuses which do not even come close to those of Iran. You dismiss Iranian HR abuses as western propaganda designed to destabilise the state. If that is the case, then Greek HR abuses can also be dismissed as propaganda designed to destabilise the Hellenic Republic due to FYROM and Greece's support for Serbia and non recognition of Kosovo.

You would no doubt also defend North Korean HR abuses for the same reason, and yet depict Greece as a gross HR violator.

Guess what? Australia is also depicted in the top 100 HR violators, probably due to the "Pacific Solution" to end all illegal immigration. The US is also depicted in the top 100 due to Guantanamo Bay I presume.

But the fact is, and you deliberately fail to acknowledge this, is that Human Rights are highly subjective. You can not compare Greek HR abuses with those of Turkey. Likewise, you can't compare Australian or US HR abuses with those of Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, or North Korea. And you could not possibly compare Cypriot HR abuses with US or Australian HR abuses.

Something else you fail to acknowledge is that so far, there is no such thing as a perfect country as far as Human Rights or Civil Liberties are concerned.

[Paphitis]

Both Greece and Cyprus meet EU Communitairre Standards on Human Rights by adopting the Charter of Fundamental Rights:

Human rights, democracy and the rule of law are core values of the European Union. Embedded in its founding treaty, they have been reinforced by the adoption of a Charter of Fundamental Rights. Respect for human rights is a prerequisite for countries seeking to join the Union and a precondition for countries who have concluded trade and other agreements with it.

http://europa.eu/pol/rights/index_en.htm

http://europa.eu/pol/rights/overview_en.htm

[Get Real!]

Why don’t you admit like a man that you goofed with that stupid list instead of jumping to other issues?

What’s been happening in Iran recently is NOT demonstrations but RIOTS and riots are dealt with severely (as they should) all over the world, including Greece (2008) and in the US as in the “LA riots”, because destroying other people’s property is nothing but vandalism and has nothing to do with “democracy”!

The HR abuses of Greece and Turkey concern us here in Cyprus more than those of Iran, N.Korea, and most other countries for obvious reasons and I will continue to highlight Greece’s HR abuses in particular quite simply because nobody else is doing it when we should.

Pointing the finger at Turkey alone is NOT on and I will make sure that both countries (Greece & Turkey) get a BALANCED representation of their crimes as both are GUILTY of crimes against Cyprus.

[DT.]

err guys

I didn't mean this to become a Greece Vs Turkey thread only.

[DT.]

Why don’t you admit like a man that you goofed with that stupid list instead of jumping to other issues?

What’s been happening in Iran recently is NOT demonstrations but RIOTS and riots are dealt with severely (as they should) all over the world, including Greece (2008) and in the US as in the “LA riots”, because destroying other people’s property is nothing but vandalism and has nothing to do with “democracy”!

The HR abuses of Greece and Turkey concern us here in Cyprus more than those of Iran, N.Korea, and most other countries for obvious reasons and I will continue to highlight Greece’s HR abuses in particular quite simply because nobody else is doing it when we should.

Pointing the finger at Turkey alone is NOT on and I will make sure that both countries (Greece & Turkey) get a BALANCED representation of their crimes as both are GUILTY of crimes against Cyprus.

OK, might as well jump in

Firstly whats going on in Iran if you look at all the footage is demonstrations and not riots. This couldn't be clearer.

Secondly,

both countries (Greece & Turkey) get a BALANCED representation of their crimes as both are GUILTY of crimes against Cyprus

you've hit the nail on the head. Crimes to Cyprus!!! What crimes is Greece committing in Cyprus TODAY and what crimes is Turkey committing in Cyprus TODAY.

I'll back you up 1000000% when criticising Greece for 1974, but for the life of me I don't understand why you insist on including them in the same club as the occupier of our country today?

[Paphitis]

Why don’t you admit like a man that you goofed with that stupid list instead of jumping to other issues?

What’s been happening in Iran recently is NOT demonstrations but RIOTS and riots are dealt with severely (as they should) all over the world, including Greece (2008) and in the US as in the “LA riots”, because destroying other people’s property is nothing but vandalism and has nothing to do with “democracy”!

The HR abuses of Greece and Turkey concern us here in Cyprus more than those of Iran, N.Korea, and most other countries for obvious reasons and I will continue to highlight Greece’s HR abuses in particular quite simply because nobody else is doing it when we should.

Pointing the finger at Turkey alone is NOT on and I will make sure that both countries (Greece & Turkey) get a BALANCED representation of their crimes as both are GUILTY of crimes against Cyprus.

The ordinary citizens of Iran are demonstrating against an undemocratic, totalitarian, theocratic and corrupt regime where women have no rights are are even stoned or publicly hung on mere suspicion of adultery.

Even Homosexuals are publicly hung just for being gay.....

The following youtube is quite disturbing....

[Get Real!]

Firstly whats going on in Iran if you look at all the footage is demonstrations and not riots. This couldn't be clearer.

That’s strange… I could’ve sworn you recently thought otherwise!

“Iranians rioting for democracy”

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=24654

What crimes is Greece committing in Cyprus TODAY and what crimes is Turkey committing in Cyprus TODAY.

To answer that question, all you need to do DT is look at yourself!

WHAT COMPELS YOU TO RUSH TO GREECE’S DEFENSE???

I’ll give you a chance to contemplate and answer this question before I answer it for you…