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[Kikapu]

The following brief item currently appears at the online version of Afrika:

Block the population transfer

The Turkish Cypriot Democracy Association in London, arguing that the political will of the Turkish Cypriots on the island has been usurped, has called on the UN, the EU and United Kingdom official bodies to block the population transfer from the Republic of Turkey. The Democracy Association, stressing that the transfer of population constitutes one of the biggest barriers to lasting peace in Cyprus, points out that this practice has reduced the Turkish Cypriot community to a minority in its own country and destroyed its political will. Association officials, noting that there has also been a breach of the 1950 International Geneva Convention, state that by means of population transfer a serious attack has been mounted on the Turkish Cypriots’ right to self determination. The call to the UN, EU and Britain says: If, in order to achieve peace in Cyprus and to preserve any such peace that is attained, it is important to sustain the existence of the Turkish Cypriot community – which we believe to be important – then prevent the ongoing transfer of population from Turkey to the north of Cyprus.

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/
My translation

Your translation is always spot on Tim. We are very thankful to have you on the Cyprus Forum, so thank you for all the translations that you do for us.!

I think Africa not only is a day late and a Dollar short with the above article, but I think they are also in deep sleep at the moment, because Turkey no longer needs to send anymore settlers to Cyprus, because for one, they have already plenty to make the TCs to be insignificant and impotent when it comes to voting in anything, but if that was not enough, all the True TCs have now been given a new identity as "Turks of Cyprus" which now there can be no longer any differentials between the TCs and the settlers. So in effect, what has happened here is, Turkey has increased her people in the north by not sending more settlers, but converting those TCs in becoming Turks instead overnight. True Osmosis and Assimilation has taken place in the north that even NeoPartitionist are not too happy about. My guess is, all those True TCs will now need to hide their Turkish Cypriotness from the majority, the "Turks of Cyprus" in fear of retributions against them. I would not be surprised, that if the True TC's do not become Turks willingly and keep on holding onto their Cypriotness, they will be made to wear a "TC badge" on their clothes to identify them as such so that they can be ridiculed by the majority, just as what the Jews went through in Nazi Germany, when they were made to wear "Star of David" patches outside their clothes, so that everyone knew that they were the "Untermensch".! However, I don't think the True TC's will be tattooed with numbers on their hands just as the Jews were.!

[Tim Drayton]

A bit of positive news from TCs in the UK but still the hatemongers try and put the boot in. How about using this news to try and find some common ground. These are the people we want to share Cyprus with, they want an end to colonisation as we do, they should be applauded and encouraged to get their point across to the EU, UN and UK. Turkey is the enemy - not the majority of Turkish Cypriots.

Does anybody know more about this 'Turkish Cypriot Democracy Association' and how much support they have? I believe they have good ties with AKEL.

[Jerry]

A bit of positive news from TCs in the UK but still the hatemongers try and put the boot in. How about using this news to try and find some common ground. These are the people we want to share Cyprus with, they want an end to colonisation as we do, they should be applauded and encouraged to get their point across to the EU, UN and UK. Turkey is the enemy - not the majority of Turkish Cypriots.

Does anybody know more about this 'Turkish Cypriot Democracy Association' and how much support they have? I believe they have good ties with AKEL.

If you Google 'Turkish Cypriot Democracy Association' you will find that their last posting is 10 years old. The site "Embargoed" may know something about them.

[Tim Drayton]

The following brief item currently appears at the online version of Afrika:

Block the population transfer

The Turkish Cypriot Democracy Association in London, arguing that the political will of the Turkish Cypriots on the island has been usurped, has called on the UN, the EU and United Kingdom official bodies to block the population transfer from the Republic of Turkey. The Democracy Association, stressing that the transfer of population constitutes one of the biggest barriers to lasting peace in Cyprus, points out that this practice has reduced the Turkish Cypriot community to a minority in its own country and destroyed its political will. Association officials, noting that there has also been a breach of the 1950 International Geneva Convention, state that by means of population transfer a serious attack has been mounted on the Turkish Cypriots’ right to self determination. The call to the UN, EU and Britain says: If, in order to achieve peace in Cyprus and to preserve any such peace that is attained, it is important to sustain the existence of the Turkish Cypriot community – which we believe to be important – then prevent the ongoing transfer of population from Turkey to the north of Cyprus.

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/
My translation

Your translation is always spot on Tim. We are very thankful to have you on the Cyprus Forum, so thank you for all the translations that you do for us.!

I think Africa not only is a day late and a Dollar short with the above article, but I think they are also in deep sleep at the moment, because Turkey no longer needs to send anymore settlers to Cyprus, because for one, they have already plenty to make the TCs to be insignificant and impotent when it comes to voting in anything, but if that was not enough, all the True TCs have now been given a new identity as "Turks of Cyprus" which now there can be no longer any differentials between the TCs and the settlers. So in effect, what has happened here is, Turkey has increased her people in the north by not sending more settlers, but converting those TCs in becoming Turks instead overnight. True Osmosis and Assimilation has taken place in the north that even NeoPartitionist are not too happy about. My guess is, all those True TCs will now need to hide their Turkish Cypriotness from the majority, the "Turks of Cyprus" in fear of retributions against them. I would not be surprised, that if the True TC's do not become Turks willingly and keep on holding onto their Cypriotness, they will be made to wear a "TC badge" on their clothes to identify them as such so that they can be ridiculed by the majority, just as what the Jews went through in Nazi Germany, when they were made to wear "Star of David" patches outside their clothes, so that everyone knew that they were the "Untermensch".! However, I don't think the True TC's will be tattooed with numbers on their hands just as the Jews were.!

The real danger is that Turkey will complete its programme of ethnically cleansing the north of all Cypriots after the Turkish Cypriots have vanished, and then by sleight of hand claim the rights under the 1960 agreement for its own population that it has settled there.

Given that the outside world is quite receptive towards the thesis that anybody in Cyprus who speaks Turkish is a Turkish Cypriot, this strategy could well succeed.

I have previously quoted the following from the minutes of a meeting of the UK Select Committee on Foreign Affairs dated Tuesday 1 February 2005, in which a draft report on Cyprus was discussed, focusing mainly on the aftermath of the Annan Plan referendum.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... /11310.htm

We learn that:

Paragraph 80 read, as follows:
After careful consideration, we conclude that it was right that all those on the electoral roll in northern Cyprus were able to participate in the referendum held in April 2004, and we recommend that the same arrangements should apply in respect of any future referendum on a solution to the Cyprus problem.

and that one Andrew Mackinlay made the following intervention:

Motion made, and Question proposed, to leave out paragraph 80 and insert the following new paragraphs:
It was wholly wrong for people other than citizens of the Republic of Cyprus to have been permitted to participate in the referendum held in April 2004. No-one was able to produce for the Committee a breakdown of the proportion of those on the northern electoral roll who were citizens of the Republic of Cyprus and who ere citizens of the republic of Turkey, or nationals of other states.
As a consequence of including indiscriminately all those on the 'electoral roll', regardless of citizenship, and allowing them to participate in the referendum, means that the result was, to say the least, seriously flawed. The inclusion and participation of countless thousands of citizens of the Republic of Turkey in the referendum was contrary to western European norms and it reflects badly on the UN and on the governments who for expediency acquiesced in this.

and then find that the above motion was denied and paragraph 80 remained unaltered.

Britain has now in principle accepted that anybody on the TRNC electoral roll - and Turkey is free to a large extent to determine the content of this list - is, in political terms, a Turkish Cypriot.

[YFred]

The following brief item currently appears at the online version of Afrika:

Block the population transfer

The Turkish Cypriot Democracy Association in London, arguing that the political will of the Turkish Cypriots on the island has been usurped, has called on the UN, the EU and United Kingdom official bodies to block the population transfer from the Republic of Turkey. The Democracy Association, stressing that the transfer of population constitutes one of the biggest barriers to lasting peace in Cyprus, points out that this practice has reduced the Turkish Cypriot community to a minority in its own country and destroyed its political will. Association officials, noting that there has also been a breach of the 1950 International Geneva Convention, state that by means of population transfer a serious attack has been mounted on the Turkish Cypriots’ right to self determination. The call to the UN, EU and Britain says: If, in order to achieve peace in Cyprus and to preserve any such peace that is attained, it is important to sustain the existence of the Turkish Cypriot community – which we believe to be important – then prevent the ongoing transfer of population from Turkey to the north of Cyprus.

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/
My translation

Your translation is always spot on Tim. We are very thankful to have you on the Cyprus Forum, so thank you for all the translations that you do for us.!

I think Africa not only is a day late and a Dollar short with the above article, but I think they are also in deep sleep at the moment, because Turkey no longer needs to send anymore settlers to Cyprus, because for one, they have already plenty to make the TCs to be insignificant and impotent when it comes to voting in anything, but if that was not enough, all the True TCs have now been given a new identity as "Turks of Cyprus" which now there can be no longer any differentials between the TCs and the settlers. So in effect, what has happened here is, Turkey has increased her people in the north by not sending more settlers, but converting those TCs in becoming Turks instead overnight. True Osmosis and Assimilation has taken place in the north that even NeoPartitionist are not too happy about. My guess is, all those True TCs will now need to hide their Turkish Cypriotness from the majority, the "Turks of Cyprus" in fear of retributions against them. I would not be surprised, that if the True TC's do not become Turks willingly and keep on holding onto their Cypriotness, they will be made to wear a "TC badge" on their clothes to identify them as such so that they can be ridiculed by the majority, just as what the Jews went through in Nazi Germany, when they were made to wear "Star of David" patches outside their clothes, so that everyone knew that they were the "Untermensch".! However, I don't think the True TC's will be tattooed with numbers on their hands just as the Jews were.!

The real danger is that Turkey will complete its programme of ethnically cleansing the north of all Cypriots after the Turkish Cypriots have vanished, and then by sleight of hand claim the rights under the 1960 agreement for its own population that it has settled there.

Given that the outside world is quite receptive towards the thesis that anybody in Cyprus who speaks Turkish is a Turkish Cypriot, this strategy could well succeed.

I have previously quoted the following from the minutes of a meeting of the UK Select Committee on Foreign Affairs dated Tuesday 1 February 2005, in which a draft report on Cyprus was discussed, focusing mainly on the aftermath of the Annan Plan referendum.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... /11310.htm

We learn that:

Paragraph 80 read, as follows:
After careful consideration, we conclude that it was right that all those on the electoral roll in northern Cyprus were able to participate in the referendum held in April 2004, and we recommend that the same arrangements should apply in respect of any future referendum on a solution to the Cyprus problem.

and that one Andrew Mackinlay made the following intervention:

Motion made, and Question proposed, to leave out paragraph 80 and insert the following new paragraphs:
It was wholly wrong for people other than citizens of the Republic of Cyprus to have been permitted to participate in the referendum held in April 2004. No-one was able to produce for the Committee a breakdown of the proportion of those on the northern electoral roll who were citizens of the Republic of Cyprus and who ere citizens of the republic of Turkey, or nationals of other states.
As a consequence of including indiscriminately all those on the 'electoral roll', regardless of citizenship, and allowing them to participate in the referendum, means that the result was, to say the least, seriously flawed. The inclusion and participation of countless thousands of citizens of the Republic of Turkey in the referendum was contrary to western European norms and it reflects badly on the UN and on the governments who for expediency acquiesced in this.

and then find that the above motion was denied and paragraph 80 remained unaltered.

Britain has now in principle accepted that anybody on the TRNC electoral roll - and Turkey is free to a large extent to determine the content of this list - is, in political terms, a Turkish Cypriot.

Tim you don't mean all 70 million Turks, do you? Surely only those who are TRNC citizens!

[Kikapu]

The following brief item currently appears at the online version of Afrika:

Block the population transfer

The Turkish Cypriot Democracy Association in London, arguing that the political will of the Turkish Cypriots on the island has been usurped, has called on the UN, the EU and United Kingdom official bodies to block the population transfer from the Republic of Turkey. The Democracy Association, stressing that the transfer of population constitutes one of the biggest barriers to lasting peace in Cyprus, points out that this practice has reduced the Turkish Cypriot community to a minority in its own country and destroyed its political will. Association officials, noting that there has also been a breach of the 1950 International Geneva Convention, state that by means of population transfer a serious attack has been mounted on the Turkish Cypriots’ right to self determination. The call to the UN, EU and Britain says: If, in order to achieve peace in Cyprus and to preserve any such peace that is attained, it is important to sustain the existence of the Turkish Cypriot community – which we believe to be important – then prevent the ongoing transfer of population from Turkey to the north of Cyprus.

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/
My translation

Your translation is always spot on Tim. We are very thankful to have you on the Cyprus Forum, so thank you for all the translations that you do for us.!

I think Africa not only is a day late and a Dollar short with the above article, but I think they are also in deep sleep at the moment, because Turkey no longer needs to send anymore settlers to Cyprus, because for one, they have already plenty to make the TCs to be insignificant and impotent when it comes to voting in anything, but if that was not enough, all the True TCs have now been given a new identity as "Turks of Cyprus" which now there can be no longer any differentials between the TCs and the settlers. So in effect, what has happened here is, Turkey has increased her people in the north by not sending more settlers, but converting those TCs in becoming Turks instead overnight. True Osmosis and Assimilation has taken place in the north that even NeoPartitionist are not too happy about. My guess is, all those True TCs will now need to hide their Turkish Cypriotness from the majority, the "Turks of Cyprus" in fear of retributions against them. I would not be surprised, that if the True TC's do not become Turks willingly and keep on holding onto their Cypriotness, they will be made to wear a "TC badge" on their clothes to identify them as such so that they can be ridiculed by the majority, just as what the Jews went through in Nazi Germany, when they were made to wear "Star of David" patches outside their clothes, so that everyone knew that they were the "Untermensch".! However, I don't think the True TC's will be tattooed with numbers on their hands just as the Jews were.!

The real danger is that Turkey will complete its programme of ethnically cleansing the north of all Cypriots after the Turkish Cypriots have vanished, and then by sleight of hand claim the rights under the 1960 agreement for its own population that it has settled there.

Given that the outside world is quite receptive towards the thesis that anybody in Cyprus who speaks Turkish is a Turkish Cypriot, this strategy could well succeed.

I have previously quoted the following from the minutes of a meeting of the UK Select Committee on Foreign Affairs dated Tuesday 1 February 2005, in which a draft report on Cyprus was discussed, focusing mainly on the aftermath of the Annan Plan referendum.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... /11310.htm

We learn that:

Paragraph 80 read, as follows:
After careful consideration, we conclude that it was right that all those on the electoral roll in northern Cyprus were able to participate in the referendum held in April 2004, and we recommend that the same arrangements should apply in respect of any future referendum on a solution to the Cyprus problem.

and that one Andrew Mackinlay made the following intervention:

Motion made, and Question proposed, to leave out paragraph 80 and insert the following new paragraphs:
It was wholly wrong for people other than citizens of the Republic of Cyprus to have been permitted to participate in the referendum held in April 2004. No-one was able to produce for the Committee a breakdown of the proportion of those on the northern electoral roll who were citizens of the Republic of Cyprus and who ere citizens of the republic of Turkey, or nationals of other states.
As a consequence of including indiscriminately all those on the 'electoral roll', regardless of citizenship, and allowing them to participate in the referendum, means that the result was, to say the least, seriously flawed. The inclusion and participation of countless thousands of citizens of the Republic of Turkey in the referendum was contrary to western European norms and it reflects badly on the UN and on the governments who for expediency acquiesced in this.

and then find that the above motion was denied and paragraph 80 remained unaltered.

Britain has now in principle accepted that anybody on the TRNC electoral roll - and Turkey is free to a large extent to determine the content of this list - is, in political terms, a Turkish Cypriot.

Tim you don't mean all 70 million Turks, do you? Surely only those who are TRNC citizens!

Is there a difference.? No, there isn't, so don't waste anyone's precious time with more of your "smoking mirrors" attempts to tell us who is a Cypriot and who is not. Besides, as of now, according to your new "government" there are no more TCs in the north, therefore that alone should answer your question.

[bill cobbett]

The following brief item currently appears at the online version of Afrika:

Block the population transfer

The Turkish Cypriot Democracy Association in London, arguing that the political will of the Turkish Cypriots on the island has been usurped, has called on the UN, the EU and United Kingdom official bodies to block the population transfer from the Republic of Turkey. The Democracy Association, stressing that the transfer of population constitutes one of the biggest barriers to lasting peace in Cyprus, points out that this practice has reduced the Turkish Cypriot community to a minority in its own country and destroyed its political will. Association officials, noting that there has also been a breach of the 1950 International Geneva Convention, state that by means of population transfer a serious attack has been mounted on the Turkish Cypriots’ right to self determination. The call to the UN, EU and Britain says: If, in order to achieve peace in Cyprus and to preserve any such peace that is attained, it is important to sustain the existence of the Turkish Cypriot community – which we believe to be important – then prevent the ongoing transfer of population from Turkey to the north of Cyprus.

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/
My translation

Your translation is always spot on Tim. We are very thankful to have you on the Cyprus Forum, so thank you for all the translations that you do for us.!

I think Africa not only is a day late and a Dollar short with the above article, but I think they are also in deep sleep at the moment, because Turkey no longer needs to send anymore settlers to Cyprus, because for one, they have already plenty to make the TCs to be insignificant and impotent when it comes to voting in anything, but if that was not enough, all the True TCs have now been given a new identity as "Turks of Cyprus" which now there can be no longer any differentials between the TCs and the settlers. So in effect, what has happened here is, Turkey has increased her people in the north by not sending more settlers, but converting those TCs in becoming Turks instead overnight. True Osmosis and Assimilation has taken place in the north that even NeoPartitionist are not too happy about. My guess is, all those True TCs will now need to hide their Turkish Cypriotness from the majority, the "Turks of Cyprus" in fear of retributions against them. I would not be surprised, that if the True TC's do not become Turks willingly and keep on holding onto their Cypriotness, they will be made to wear a "TC badge" on their clothes to identify them as such so that they can be ridiculed by the majority, just as what the Jews went through in Nazi Germany, when they were made to wear "Star of David" patches outside their clothes, so that everyone knew that they were the "Untermensch".! However, I don't think the True TC's will be tattooed with numbers on their hands just as the Jews were.!

The real danger is that Turkey will complete its programme of ethnically cleansing the north of all Cypriots after the Turkish Cypriots have vanished, and then by sleight of hand claim the rights under the 1960 agreement for its own population that it has settled there.

Given that the outside world is quite receptive towards the thesis that anybody in Cyprus who speaks Turkish is a Turkish Cypriot, this strategy could well succeed.

I have previously quoted the following from the minutes of a meeting of the UK Select Committee on Foreign Affairs dated Tuesday 1 February 2005, in which a draft report on Cyprus was discussed, focusing mainly on the aftermath of the Annan Plan referendum.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... /11310.htm

We learn that:

Paragraph 80 read, as follows:
After careful consideration, we conclude that it was right that all those on the electoral roll in northern Cyprus were able to participate in the referendum held in April 2004, and we recommend that the same arrangements should apply in respect of any future referendum on a solution to the Cyprus problem.

and that one Andrew Mackinlay made the following intervention:

Motion made, and Question proposed, to leave out paragraph 80 and insert the following new paragraphs:
It was wholly wrong for people other than citizens of the Republic of Cyprus to have been permitted to participate in the referendum held in April 2004. No-one was able to produce for the Committee a breakdown of the proportion of those on the northern electoral roll who were citizens of the Republic of Cyprus and who ere citizens of the republic of Turkey, or nationals of other states.
As a consequence of including indiscriminately all those on the 'electoral roll', regardless of citizenship, and allowing them to participate in the referendum, means that the result was, to say the least, seriously flawed. The inclusion and participation of countless thousands of citizens of the Republic of Turkey in the referendum was contrary to western European norms and it reflects badly on the UN and on the governments who for expediency acquiesced in this.

and then find that the above motion was denied and paragraph 80 remained unaltered.

Britain has now in principle accepted that anybody on the TRNC electoral roll - and Turkey is free to a large extent to determine the content of this list - is, in political terms, a Turkish Cypriot.

Tim you don't mean all 70 million Turks, do you? Surely only those who are TRNC citizens!

Is there a difference.? No, there isn't, so don't waste anyone's precious time with more of your "smoking mirrors" attempts to tell us who is a Cypriot and who is not. Besides, as of now, according to your new "government" there are no more TCs in the north, therefore that alone should answer your question.

Don't think we should place too much weight on what a GB Select Committee thinks on this matter of suffrage and by implication citizenship.

This is a settlement for CY by CYs.

On this "settler" matter, to my mind generally accepted international laws say born in CY = automatic CY citizen. Everyone else will have to make due application to the future Federal Goverment.

In saying this, need to consider whether the Geneva Convention takes priority by way of a force majeure. I suspect it doesn't for those born in CY or married to tissy and offspring. Pretty sure Geneva would apply to all others, so they can start packing their bags with Turkey picking up the bill for resettlement.

[humanist]

Tim thank you for the post, however the Turkish Cypriot Democracy Association is lying, I trust my good friends on here, VP, halil and FredTC according to these good friends TC's are not becoming a priority in their own country. I think there must be a mistake in the media

[Tim Drayton]

The following brief item currently appears at the online version of Afrika:

Block the population transfer

The Turkish Cypriot Democracy Association in London, arguing that the political will of the Turkish Cypriots on the island has been usurped, has called on the UN, the EU and United Kingdom official bodies to block the population transfer from the Republic of Turkey. The Democracy Association, stressing that the transfer of population constitutes one of the biggest barriers to lasting peace in Cyprus, points out that this practice has reduced the Turkish Cypriot community to a minority in its own country and destroyed its political will. Association officials, noting that there has also been a breach of the 1950 International Geneva Convention, state that by means of population transfer a serious attack has been mounted on the Turkish Cypriots’ right to self determination. The call to the UN, EU and Britain says: If, in order to achieve peace in Cyprus and to preserve any such peace that is attained, it is important to sustain the existence of the Turkish Cypriot community – which we believe to be important – then prevent the ongoing transfer of population from Turkey to the north of Cyprus.

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/
My translation

Your translation is always spot on Tim. We are very thankful to have you on the Cyprus Forum, so thank you for all the translations that you do for us.!

I think Africa not only is a day late and a Dollar short with the above article, but I think they are also in deep sleep at the moment, because Turkey no longer needs to send anymore settlers to Cyprus, because for one, they have already plenty to make the TCs to be insignificant and impotent when it comes to voting in anything, but if that was not enough, all the True TCs have now been given a new identity as "Turks of Cyprus" which now there can be no longer any differentials between the TCs and the settlers. So in effect, what has happened here is, Turkey has increased her people in the north by not sending more settlers, but converting those TCs in becoming Turks instead overnight. True Osmosis and Assimilation has taken place in the north that even NeoPartitionist are not too happy about. My guess is, all those True TCs will now need to hide their Turkish Cypriotness from the majority, the "Turks of Cyprus" in fear of retributions against them. I would not be surprised, that if the True TC's do not become Turks willingly and keep on holding onto their Cypriotness, they will be made to wear a "TC badge" on their clothes to identify them as such so that they can be ridiculed by the majority, just as what the Jews went through in Nazi Germany, when they were made to wear "Star of David" patches outside their clothes, so that everyone knew that they were the "Untermensch".! However, I don't think the True TC's will be tattooed with numbers on their hands just as the Jews were.!

The real danger is that Turkey will complete its programme of ethnically cleansing the north of all Cypriots after the Turkish Cypriots have vanished, and then by sleight of hand claim the rights under the 1960 agreement for its own population that it has settled there.

Given that the outside world is quite receptive towards the thesis that anybody in Cyprus who speaks Turkish is a Turkish Cypriot, this strategy could well succeed.

I have previously quoted the following from the minutes of a meeting of the UK Select Committee on Foreign Affairs dated Tuesday 1 February 2005, in which a draft report on Cyprus was discussed, focusing mainly on the aftermath of the Annan Plan referendum.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... /11310.htm

We learn that:

Paragraph 80 read, as follows:
After careful consideration, we conclude that it was right that all those on the electoral roll in northern Cyprus were able to participate in the referendum held in April 2004, and we recommend that the same arrangements should apply in respect of any future referendum on a solution to the Cyprus problem.

and that one Andrew Mackinlay made the following intervention:

Motion made, and Question proposed, to leave out paragraph 80 and insert the following new paragraphs:
It was wholly wrong for people other than citizens of the Republic of Cyprus to have been permitted to participate in the referendum held in April 2004. No-one was able to produce for the Committee a breakdown of the proportion of those on the northern electoral roll who were citizens of the Republic of Cyprus and who ere citizens of the republic of Turkey, or nationals of other states.
As a consequence of including indiscriminately all those on the 'electoral roll', regardless of citizenship, and allowing them to participate in the referendum, means that the result was, to say the least, seriously flawed. The inclusion and participation of countless thousands of citizens of the Republic of Turkey in the referendum was contrary to western European norms and it reflects badly on the UN and on the governments who for expediency acquiesced in this.

and then find that the above motion was denied and paragraph 80 remained unaltered.

Britain has now in principle accepted that anybody on the TRNC electoral roll - and Turkey is free to a large extent to determine the content of this list - is, in political terms, a Turkish Cypriot.

Tim you don't mean all 70 million Turks, do you? Surely only those who are TRNC citizens!

Is there a difference.? No, there isn't, so don't waste anyone's precious time with more of your "smoking mirrors" attempts to tell us who is a Cypriot and who is not. Besides, as of now, according to your new "government" there are no more TCs in the north, therefore that alone should answer your question.

Don't think we should place too much weight on what a GB Select Committee thinks on this matter of suffrage and by implication citizenship.

This is a settlement for CY by CYs.

On this "settler" matter, to my mind generally accepted international laws say born in CY = automatic CY citizen. Everyone else will have to make due application to the future Federal Goverment.

In saying this, need to consider whether the Geneva Convention takes priority by way of a force majeure. I suspect it doesn't for those born in CY or married to tissy and offspring. Pretty sure Geneva would apply to all others, so they can start packing their bags with Turkey picking up the bill for resettlement.

I wish I could agree with you there. If only we lived in a world where Cyprus could exercise complete sovereignty! However, the truth is that various powers pull a lot of strings behind the scenes, one of these being the former colonial master and guarantor power, Britain. It seems that for these outsiders the distinction between a Turkish Cypriot and a mainland Turk is an obscure semantic debate, and they are quite happy for the political will of the Turkish Cypriots to be represented in referendums by the de facto TRNC electoral role. It seems dangerous to me.

[bill cobbett]

The following brief item currently appears at the online version of Afrika:

Block the population transfer

The Turkish Cypriot Democracy Association in London, arguing that the political will of the Turkish Cypriots on the island has been usurped, has called on the UN, the EU and United Kingdom official bodies to block the population transfer from the Republic of Turkey. The Democracy Association, stressing that the transfer of population constitutes one of the biggest barriers to lasting peace in Cyprus, points out that this practice has reduced the Turkish Cypriot community to a minority in its own country and destroyed its political will. Association officials, noting that there has also been a breach of the 1950 International Geneva Convention, state that by means of population transfer a serious attack has been mounted on the Turkish Cypriots’ right to self determination. The call to the UN, EU and Britain says: If, in order to achieve peace in Cyprus and to preserve any such peace that is attained, it is important to sustain the existence of the Turkish Cypriot community – which we believe to be important – then prevent the ongoing transfer of population from Turkey to the north of Cyprus.

http://www.afrikagazetesi.net/
My translation

Your translation is always spot on Tim. We are very thankful to have you on the Cyprus Forum, so thank you for all the translations that you do for us.!

I think Africa not only is a day late and a Dollar short with the above article, but I think they are also in deep sleep at the moment, because Turkey no longer needs to send anymore settlers to Cyprus, because for one, they have already plenty to make the TCs to be insignificant and impotent when it comes to voting in anything, but if that was not enough, all the True TCs have now been given a new identity as "Turks of Cyprus" which now there can be no longer any differentials between the TCs and the settlers. So in effect, what has happened here is, Turkey has increased her people in the north by not sending more settlers, but converting those TCs in becoming Turks instead overnight. True Osmosis and Assimilation has taken place in the north that even NeoPartitionist are not too happy about. My guess is, all those True TCs will now need to hide their Turkish Cypriotness from the majority, the "Turks of Cyprus" in fear of retributions against them. I would not be surprised, that if the True TC's do not become Turks willingly and keep on holding onto their Cypriotness, they will be made to wear a "TC badge" on their clothes to identify them as such so that they can be ridiculed by the majority, just as what the Jews went through in Nazi Germany, when they were made to wear "Star of David" patches outside their clothes, so that everyone knew that they were the "Untermensch".! However, I don't think the True TC's will be tattooed with numbers on their hands just as the Jews were.!

The real danger is that Turkey will complete its programme of ethnically cleansing the north of all Cypriots after the Turkish Cypriots have vanished, and then by sleight of hand claim the rights under the 1960 agreement for its own population that it has settled there.

Given that the outside world is quite receptive towards the thesis that anybody in Cyprus who speaks Turkish is a Turkish Cypriot, this strategy could well succeed.

I have previously quoted the following from the minutes of a meeting of the UK Select Committee on Foreign Affairs dated Tuesday 1 February 2005, in which a draft report on Cyprus was discussed, focusing mainly on the aftermath of the Annan Plan referendum.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... /11310.htm

We learn that:

Paragraph 80 read, as follows:
After careful consideration, we conclude that it was right that all those on the electoral roll in northern Cyprus were able to participate in the referendum held in April 2004, and we recommend that the same arrangements should apply in respect of any future referendum on a solution to the Cyprus problem.

and that one Andrew Mackinlay made the following intervention:

Motion made, and Question proposed, to leave out paragraph 80 and insert the following new paragraphs:
It was wholly wrong for people other than citizens of the Republic of Cyprus to have been permitted to participate in the referendum held in April 2004. No-one was able to produce for the Committee a breakdown of the proportion of those on the northern electoral roll who were citizens of the Republic of Cyprus and who ere citizens of the republic of Turkey, or nationals of other states.
As a consequence of including indiscriminately all those on the 'electoral roll', regardless of citizenship, and allowing them to participate in the referendum, means that the result was, to say the least, seriously flawed. The inclusion and participation of countless thousands of citizens of the Republic of Turkey in the referendum was contrary to western European norms and it reflects badly on the UN and on the governments who for expediency acquiesced in this.

and then find that the above motion was denied and paragraph 80 remained unaltered.

Britain has now in principle accepted that anybody on the TRNC electoral roll - and Turkey is free to a large extent to determine the content of this list - is, in political terms, a Turkish Cypriot.

Tim you don't mean all 70 million Turks, do you? Surely only those who are TRNC citizens!

Is there a difference.? No, there isn't, so don't waste anyone's precious time with more of your "smoking mirrors" attempts to tell us who is a Cypriot and who is not. Besides, as of now, according to your new "government" there are no more TCs in the north, therefore that alone should answer your question.

Don't think we should place too much weight on what a GB Select Committee thinks on this matter of suffrage and by implication citizenship.

This is a settlement for CY by CYs.

On this "settler" matter, to my mind generally accepted international laws say born in CY = automatic CY citizen. Everyone else will have to make due application to the future Federal Goverment.

In saying this, need to consider whether the Geneva Convention takes priority by way of a force majeure. I suspect it doesn't for those born in CY or married to tissy and offspring. Pretty sure Geneva would apply to all others, so they can start packing their bags with Turkey picking up the bill for resettlement.

I wish I could agree with you there. If only we lived in a world where Cyprus could exercise complete sovereignty! However, the truth is that various powers pull a lot of strings behind the scenes, one of these being the former colonial master and guarantor power, Britain. It seems that for these outsiders the distinction between a Turkish Cypriot and a mainland Turk is an obscure semantic debate, and they are quite happy for the political will of the Turkish Cypriots to be represented in referendums by the de facto TRNC electoral role. It seems dangerous to me.

Yes, we do live in the real world so sure this sort of meddling does go on. I would however say that there's a new kid on the block in the EU and Sr. Barosso has only yesterday made it clear a settlement must be based on European Laws and Principals and to the best of my knowledge there is no provision for illegal gerrymandering by Turkey in this.

Further - I think Pres X has gone down well with the EU and will I suggest use, this new for CY Pres, influence as and when he pleases to counter the meddlings.