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Postby DT. » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:46 pm

Get Real! wrote:DT, what Ayatollah and green horses re? Khomeini is long gone… Ahmadinejad is the president.

I don’t wanna see any more of your stupid Youtube videos, or any other American propaganda shit!

This year you’ve sunk to Eric Dayi levels… first with your pro Greek nationalist ideologies and now with pro American crap!

Who the damn fuck is screwing up your mind lately??? Your IQ has sunk to that of a Gnu… :roll:


Read about the govt of Iran and how its structured re democrat.

The Supreme leader that sits over the President is Khameini. He is elected by the council of experts and they are the only ones able to get rid of him. He selects judges, millitary commanders and runs Irans foreign policy. Why have you stopped reading up about your subject matters and you're forcing me into making you look like a jackass?
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Postby DT. » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:49 pm

Get Real! wrote:Hey boofhead,

You need to ask yourself… who is creating this shit and why???


Now thats a question that you were in no mood of answering when you were peddling junk sites for another one of your arguments.
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Postby DT. » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:52 pm

Get Real! wrote:Hey boofhead,

You need to ask yourself… who is creating this shit and why???


BTW. here's an interesting article from a Palestinian News Agency telling us how all this trouble is working against Obama and the US.

http://www.amin.org/articles.php?t=ENews&id=2955

are we going to list this as propganda? Help me out, should I only quote Hamas News as independent when it comes to Iran?



Ahmadinejad Re-elected: Israel and Obama’s Iran Puzzle
By: Ramzy Baroud
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The election victory of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is likely to complicate US President Barack Obama’s new approach to his country’s conflict with Iran. The reason behind the foreseen obstacle is neither the US nor Iran’s refusal to engage in future dialogue but rather Israel’s insistence on a hard-line approach to the problem.

Iran’s presidential elections on June 12 were positioned to represent another fight between Middle Eastern ‘moderates’ vs. ‘extremists’. That depiction, which conveniently divided the Middle East – according to the prevailing US foreign policy discourse - to pro-American and anti-American camps was hardly as clear in the Iranian case as it was in Palestine and most recently in Lebanon.

Ahmadinejad’s main rival, Mir Hussein Moussavi served as Iran’s Prime Minister for 8-years (between 1981-1989) during one of Iran’s most challenging times, its war with Iraq. He was hardly seen as a ‘moderate’ then. More, Moussavi was equally adamant in his country’s right to produce atomic energy for peaceful means. As far as US interests in the region are concerned, both Ahmadinejad and Moussavi are interested in dialogue with the US, and are unlikely to alter their country’s attitudes towards the occupation of Iraq, their support of Hezbollah in Lebanon, and Hamas in Palestine. Neither is ready, willing or, frankly, capable of removing Iran from the regional power play at work in the Middle East, considering that Iranian policies are shaped by other internal forces beside the president of the country.

This is not to suggest that both leaders are one and the same. For the average Iranian, statements made by Ahmadinejad and Moussavi during Iran’s lively election campaigns did indeed promise major changes in their lives, daily struggles and future. But yet again, the two men were caricatured to present two convenient personalities to the outside world, a raging nuclear-obsessed man, hell-bent on ‘wiping Israel off the map”, and a soft-spoken, learned ‘moderate’ ready to ‘engage’ the West and redeem the sins of his predecessor.

Unfortunately for the Obama administration, the first negative image - tainted as such by mainstream media, and years of image manipulation by forces dedicated to the interest of Israel - won. The election outcome in Iran presents the young Obama with a major challenge: if he carries on with his diplomatic approach and soft overtures towards Iran, ruled by a supposed Holocaust-denier, he will certainly be seen as a failed president, who dared to perceive Israel’s interests in the region as secondary; on the other hand, Obama cannot depart from his country’s new approach towards Iran, a key player in shaping the contending forces in the entire region.

In some way, Ahmadinejad’s victory was the best news for Israel. Now, Tel Aviv will continue to pressure Obama to ‘act’ against Iran, for the latter, under its current president is an ‘existential threat’ to Israel, a claim that few in Washington question. “It is not like we rooted for Ahmadinejad,” an Israeli official told the New York Times on the condition of anonymity a day after it was clear that Ahmadinejad won another term in office.

But considering Israel’s immediate attempt to capitalize on the outcome of the elections makes one wonder if the defeat of Iran’s ‘moderate’ camp was not a best case scenario for Israel. Iran will continue to be presented as the obstacle in future peace in the Middle East, allowing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to avoid any accountability as far as the ‘peace process’ is concerned. In fact, with an ‘existential threat’ not too far away, few in Washington would dare challenge Israel’s settlement policies in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem, or its deadly siege on Gaza, or in fact its confrontational approach to Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon, the latter seen as an ‘Iranian-backed militia.’

Israeli Vice Prime Minister Silvan Shalom was one of the first top officials in Israel to exploit the moment on June 13. The results of Iran’s elections, he said, “blow up in the faces of those who thought Iran was built for a genuine dialogue with the free world on stopping its nuclear program.” Ostensibly, Shalom’s message was directed at a small audience in Tel Aviv, but his true target audience, was in fact Obama himself.

Obama’s overtures towards Iran were not necessarily an indication of a fundamental shift in US foreign policy, but a realistic recognition of Iran’s growing influence in the region, and the US’ desperate and failing fight in Iraq. It was Obama’s pragmatism, not a moral-shift in US foreign policy that compelled such statements as that made on June 2 in a BBC interview: “What I do believe is that Iran has legitimate energy concerns, legitimate aspirations. On the other hand, the international community has a very real interest in preventing a nuclear arms race in the region.”

For Israel, however, Obama’s rhetoric is a deviation from the past US hard-line approach towards Iran. What Israel wants to keep alive is a discussion of war as a viable option to rein in Iran’s nuclear ambitions and to eliminate a major military rival in the Middle East.

Senior fellow at the pro-Israeli American Enterprise Institute, John R. Bolton expressed the war-mongering mantra of the pro-Israel crowd in a recent article in the Wall Street Journal entitled: “What if Israel Strikes Iran?”: “Many argue that Israeli military action will cause Iranians to rally in support of the mullahs' regime and plunge the region into political chaos. To the contrary, a strike accompanied by effective public diplomacy could well turn Iran's diverse population against an oppressive regime.”

Ahmadinejad’s victory will serve as further proof that diplomacy with Iran is not an option, from the point of view of Israel and its supporters in the US. Whether Obama will proceed with his positive rhetoric towards Iran is to be seen. Failure to do so, however, will further undermine his country’s interests in the Middle East, and will prolong the cold war atmosphere of animosity, espoused by a clique of neoconservative hard-liners throughout the Bush administration of past years.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:55 pm

DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Hey boofhead,

You need to ask yourself… who is creating this shit and why???


Now thats a question that you were in no mood of answering when you were peddling junk sites for another one of your arguments.

You silly little whore…

Where were you a year or two ago when I was constantly posting about American & Israeli interferences in Iran and elsewhere? Ha? :evil:

And you want to come and teach me Iran today, now that the Americans are finally successful at stirring shit in Iran, and you suddenly look at these demonstrations and jump on the American bandwagon? :roll:
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Postby DT. » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:57 pm

Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Hey boofhead,

You need to ask yourself… who is creating this shit and why???


Now thats a question that you were in no mood of answering when you were peddling junk sites for another one of your arguments.

You silly little whore…

Where were you a year or two ago when I was constantly posting about American & Israeli interferences in Iran and elsewhere? Ha? :evil:

And you want to come and teach me Iran today, now that the Americans are finally successful at stirring shit in Iran, and you suddenly look at these demonstrations and jump on the American bandwagon? :roll:


You change more tunes than a Brazilian crossdresser changes outfits on Carnival night and you're telling me? Face it you do not understand Middle East politics. Leave it to those of us that have lived in these places for a good decade.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:00 pm

DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Hey boofhead,

You need to ask yourself… who is creating this shit and why???


Now thats a question that you were in no mood of answering when you were peddling junk sites for another one of your arguments.

You silly little whore…

Where were you a year or two ago when I was constantly posting about American & Israeli interferences in Iran and elsewhere? Ha? :evil:

And you want to come and teach me Iran today, now that the Americans are finally successful at stirring shit in Iran, and you suddenly look at these demonstrations and jump on the American bandwagon? :roll:


You change more tunes than a Brazilian crossdresser changes outfits on Carnival night and you're telling me? Face it you do not understand Arab politics. Leave it to those of us that have lived in these places for a good decade.

You understand Arab politics because you worked there? :lol:
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Postby DT. » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:03 pm

Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Hey boofhead,

You need to ask yourself… who is creating this shit and why???


Now thats a question that you were in no mood of answering when you were peddling junk sites for another one of your arguments.

You silly little whore…

Where were you a year or two ago when I was constantly posting about American & Israeli interferences in Iran and elsewhere? Ha? :evil:

And you want to come and teach me Iran today, now that the Americans are finally successful at stirring shit in Iran, and you suddenly look at these demonstrations and jump on the American bandwagon? :roll:


You change more tunes than a Brazilian crossdresser changes outfits on Carnival night and you're telling me? Face it you do not understand Arab politics. Leave it to those of us that have lived in these places for a good decade.

You understand Arab politics because you worked there? :lol:


lived there while you were downing tinnies in Oz. :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:04 pm

Are you also campaigning today about these incidents or are you planning to just jump on the bandwagon again, one or two years from now and say...

"See? the Americans were right that Pakistan is so bad and needed a "revolution"!

Dozens of Civilians, No Militant Leaders, Killed in US Drone Strike on Pakistan Funeral

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/06/24/at-l ... n-funeral/

Fools like you is what keeps Americans were they are...
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Postby DT. » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:06 pm

Get Real! wrote:Are you also campaigning today about these events or are you planning to just jump on the bandwagon again, one or two years from now and say...

"See? the Americans were right that Pakistan is so bad and needed a "revolution"!

Dozens of Civilians, No Militant Leaders, Killed in US Drone Strike on Pakistan Funeral

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/06/24/at-l ... n-funeral/

Fools like you is what keeps Americans were they are...


DId you see me jumping on the US Iraqi invasion? DId you support the revolution against chaushesku? Do you know the difference?
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