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[Oracle]

There are two issues here ...

One is the right which Iran has to govern itself, unhindered ...

And the other is the fact it treats half its population (female) as second class citizens (and worse).

Although we can stand aside and respect the first, we cannot turn our backs on the cries of help from the enslaved women ....

That’s an age-old and very complex religious issue that shouldn’t be mixed with politics although it does tend to cross over.

Religion does cross over with politics in Iran, or haven't you noticed?

Let me put it to you this way Oracle…

Woman’s rights in Iran are minimized by their religion and not by politics, and you CANNOT ask a country to change religion overnight! For any change to succeed, it has to be gently introduced and over a period of time.

Well it changed the other way pretty fast!

[Get Real!]

There are two issues here ...

One is the right which Iran has to govern itself, unhindered ...

And the other is the fact it treats half its population (female) as second class citizens (and worse).

Although we can stand aside and respect the first, we cannot turn our backs on the cries of help from the enslaved women ....

That’s an age-old and very complex religious issue that shouldn’t be mixed with politics although it does tend to cross over.

Religion does cross over with politics in Iran, or haven't you noticed?

Let me put it to you this way Oracle…

Woman’s rights in Iran are minimized by their religion and not by politics, and you CANNOT ask a country to change religion overnight! For any change to succeed, it has to be gently introduced and over a period of time.

Well it changed the other way pretty fast!

Don't ever assume I can read your mind...

[Oracle]

There are two issues here ...

One is the right which Iran has to govern itself, unhindered ...

And the other is the fact it treats half its population (female) as second class citizens (and worse).

Although we can stand aside and respect the first, we cannot turn our backs on the cries of help from the enslaved women ....

That’s an age-old and very complex religious issue that shouldn’t be mixed with politics although it does tend to cross over.

Religion does cross over with politics in Iran, or haven't you noticed?

Let me put it to you this way Oracle…

Woman’s rights in Iran are minimized by their religion and not by politics, and you CANNOT ask a country to change religion overnight! For any change to succeed, it has to be gently introduced and over a period of time.

Well it changed the other way pretty fast!

Don't ever assume I can read your mind...

Sorry. I meant when they deposed the Shah and the Ayatollah came into power ....

Anyway, I'm tired and I cannot possibly keep your active mind entertained .... So, goodnight from me, sweetie ...

[Get Real!]

Sorry. I meant when they deposed the Shah and the Ayatollah came into power ....

Anyway, I'm tired and I cannot possibly keep your active mind entertained .... So, goodnight from me, sweetie ...

Goodnight...

[Paphitis]

Neda: the face of a new Iranian revolution

With her eyes glassily fixed on the next world, Neda has become a symbol of a proud people's defiance of 21st-century tyranny that prances around in 13th-century religious garb. In pronouncing last week's election free of vote-rigging on a massive scale, the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei did more to delegitimize Iran's theocratic regime than anything the protesters could have managed. People know a fraud when they see it. There is a palpable sense of revulsion in the presence of so many state-sponsored lies.

The fact that Neda's death is now a matter of record on social networks like Facebook and YouTube is a revolution in itself. The Iranian people are using tools like Twitter and cell phones to televise their revolution.

According to the Wall Street Journal article, the regime is responding to the erosion of its authority by using technology developed by the West to monitor dissent, identify protest leaders and track their whereabouts for arrest. The authorities may even be able to get the upper hand for a time, but it won't last. The ayatollahs' days are surely numbered now that so much fury has been unleashed on Iran's streets.

I used to make fun of people who used Twitter and the other social networks. But the implosion of Iran has forced me to re-evaluate my prejudice. With the Western press pushed out of that country, the civic journalism of Iranian men and women is our only witness to the unraveling of a regime as illegitimate as the despised Shah's. Thanks to YouTube, the revolution is being televised even as we speak.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09174/97 ... JOzx1E0r&D

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[Paphitis]

There are many articles out there that tell the same story...

US, Allies Ratchet Up Anti-Iran Rhetoric

As the mass protests of the past week in Iran gave way to the comparatively tame question of legal challenges to the vote, Iran’s key rivals are ratcheting up their rhetoric, condemning the Iranian government and, in the case of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, calling for regime change.

Despite pre-election polls suggesting that President Ahmadinejad was favored by the largest voting bloc, Netanyahu claimed that more than 75% of the Iranian people wanted regime change in the nation, a prospect he appeared to endorse.

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/06/23/us-a ... -rhetoric/

The Shah was also the most favoured prior to the 1979 Islamic Revolutiuon. When the masses begin protesting and the Islamic State kills innocent people like Nada, thus outraging the revolutionary masses even further, we begin to see the tide moving towards a more liberal, and free Iran.

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Iranian Revolution Disguised As Protest

http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/96 ... otest.html

[DT.]

There are two issues here ...

One is the right which Iran has to govern itself, unhindered ...

And the other is the fact it treats half its population (female) as second class citizens (and worse).

Although we can stand aside and respect the first, we cannot turn our backs on the cries of help from the enslaved women ....

That’s an age-old and very complex religious issue that shouldn’t be mixed with politics although it does tend to cross over.

Religion does cross over with politics in Iran, or haven't you noticed?

Let me put it to you this way Oracle…

Woman’s rights in Iran are minimized by their religion and not by politics, and you CANNOT ask a country to change religion overnight! For any change to succeed, it has to be gently introduced and over a period of time.

Its a religion run dictatorship. Being ruled by Sharia law means having your religion rule you and not the politics.

Not asking a country to change religion, just the politics of being ran by a religion. Had this been any country in the West we would have been all over it like flies on shit. Because of US mistakes and involvement in the area however we are all quick to jump in paranoia of another state being interfered with by the Brit/Americans.

Fact is that all those Ayatollahs have been committing crimes against the female population of that country for decades. Having worked with 2 Iranians who recently left the country for the UK one gets the feeling that there isn't one person under the age of 30 who wants the clerics to run the country.

Fact, this woman got killed by a sniper in a demonstration against the govt. Does this strike you as democratic?

[Get Real!]

Fact, this woman got killed by a sniper in a demonstration against the govt. Does this strike you as democratic?

During the 2008 Greek riots, a 15-year-old was also shot dead...

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/1 ... riots.html

...how easily you forget.

So, does the Greek incident strike you as democratic or do any of thse incidents?

Greece’s Human Rights Portfolio…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus24484.html

[DT.]

Fact, this woman got killed by a sniper in a demonstration against the govt. Does this strike you as democratic?

During the 2008 Greek riots, a 15-year-old was also shot dead...

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/1 ... riots.html

...how easily you forget.

So, does the Greek incident strike you as democratic or do any of thse incidents?

Greece’s Human Rights Portfolio…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus24484.html

Had Greece had snipers on the rooftops looking out for targets and banned all the worlds media from watching then we could have had a debate on this. Fortunately they didn't, cause they wouldn't so we won't.

[Get Real!]

Fact, this woman got killed by a sniper in a demonstration against the govt. Does this strike you as democratic?

During the 2008 Greek riots, a 15-year-old was also shot dead...

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/1 ... riots.html

...how easily you forget.

So, does the Greek incident strike you as democratic or do any of thse incidents?

Greece’s Human Rights Portfolio…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus24484.html

Had Greece had snipers on the rooftops looking out for targets and banned all the worlds media from watching then we could have had a debate on this. Fortunately they didn't, cause they wouldn't so we won't.

There was no need for a sniper as he was executed from just a few meters away!

But anyway, you’re now scrambling to save Greece’s face…(what compels you to do that???) and I wish you luck because you’ll need it!

Let’s face it DT, you’re unable to handle international events with impartiality.

End of story.