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[theunifier]

YFred,

Throughout the previous and this week I have been going over each and individual post in order to derive people's opinions on taboo issues that are somewhat discussed on this forum and a few other scattered places on the Internet.

What you mention is irrelevant to the topic however since you mentioned it I would like to respond with a point of view that differs from many. I will not make myself out to dislike you like some people dislike your writing on this forum, I have no intention of doing anything of the sort. I first consider that someone has something to say and a meaning has to be derived from it.

I grew up long after the 1960's. In fact I am fairly new to the whole game of skepticism regarding the Cyprus "problem". Going back and studying history in detail in order to realize the progression of Cyprus through time I have come to conclusions that justify everything that has happened since then. While some of them are assumed due to concealed facts and others due to the vague standing of the truth itself. But they are all possible facts. We might not like them but thats okay since they can be thrown in with opinion where everyone can take or leave.

In the 1960's we saw signifying meanings through action. We saw the birth of the Republic of Cyprus, a democratic constitution, a democratic president,an independent flag. All of that means absolutely nothing. The reason being is:

a) The Republic was given to us kindly by the UK. Anyone who fought was simply in vein. The British promised our independence in the first place and they did keep their word. Fighting had nothing to do with becoming independent.

b) You don't put a priest as a president. It almost sounds stupid to me. Even though the vice president was a Muslim himself , it is very strange to have a Muslim community in Cyprus represented by a Christian priest. It's simply not very formal and not very wise. And today I am skeptic as to if Makarios was skilled enough to handle a democratic country including his choice of administration.

Many villages in Cyprus back then had the element of peace in their home which could have resided next to Turkish speaking Cypriots or Greek speaking Cypriots. My father grew up in a village like that as a Greek speaking Cypriot and managed just fine with all villagers. Although I didn't have the fortunate chance of meeting my grandparents, they did live and do business with Turkish speaking Cypriots just fine. My grandparents also spoke immaculate Turkish at the time.

Enough about peace, lets talk about how you consider me serving the interest of the TCs by writing about how the RoC tries to remove TCs from the republic from 1960 to date.

I am not sure if this is news to you but Turkish Cypriots have equal and powerful rights in the Republic of Cyprus. They are Cypriot citizens, EU citizens and they have every legal document to prove it. They also have a democratic right to vote, to live free of oppression and ethnic cleansing, and any other right the republic of Cyprus has fought to establish throughout the years. I'm not quite sure what propaganda-drug you are on but you really need to obtain an objective view immediately before posting again.

I myself have went through endless nights going through the constitution to discover these rights myself. If I found something that made Turkish Cypriots legally and morally less than Greek Cypriots, I assure you I would be at Eleftheria Square right now screaming off the top of my voice about it. However socially many Greek Cypriots seem to have a problem with Turkish Cypriots and vice versa. I have had some very hot debates with Turkish Cypriot objective minded people as to resolve such problems and our result was to launch thelastdividedcapital.com in order to address these social issues amongst other issues. I am just tired of propaganda spoon fed people talking crap every chance they get without actually doing any investigative work.

Therefore,

Since Turkish Cypriots have equal democratic and legal rights to Greek Cypriots, if you have any chance of justifying what you say about the Republic of Cyprus driving out TCs out of the land, I suggest your next post is either silence (which is a wonderful gift of speech) or real life facts, actions, dates and all the relevant particulars.

Peace,
The Unifier.

[Oracle]

Hi everyone,

I recently read a 14 page thread regarding this issue in the same section of this forum. I have written the following article regarding it because I simply couldn't stand there like sheep amongst the wolves doing nothing. The article can be found at:

http://www.thelastdividedcapital.com/20 ... rminology/

Welcome to the forum.

Rather than worry about the removal of the words being used by Bayrak, perhaps you can serve the interest of the TCs better by writing about how the RoC has been attempting to remove TCs themselves and not just words from Cyprus between 1960 to date, and almost succeeding.

Now that will be some news item worth reading even for the more extreme elements of the forum who shall remain nameless mainly Eoka-Cs.

Do you realise the enormity of your idiocy? .... accusing the RoC of something based on make-believe and fantasy, whilst all the while Turkey has ethnically cleansed 200,000 GCs from European soil so that she can insert her own people?

[theunifier]

They didn't ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots only! That was only the start. By flooding the occupied lands of Cyprus with Anatolian settlers from Turkey they give away some sort of master plan to ethnically cleanse Turkish Cypriots also!!! I have an article coming up on that to be honest.

[Oracle]

YFred,

Throughout the previous and this week I have been going over each and individual post in order to derive people's opinions on taboo issues that are somewhat discussed on this forum and a few other scattered places on the Internet.

What you mention is irrelevant to the topic however since you mentioned it I would like to respond with a point of view that differs from many. I will not make myself out to dislike you like some people dislike your writing on this forum, I have no intention of doing anything of the sort. I first consider that someone has something to say and a meaning has to be derived from it.

I grew up long after the 1960's. In fact I am fairly new to the whole game of skepticism regarding the Cyprus "problem". Going back and studying history in detail in order to realize the progression of Cyprus through time I have come to conclusions that justify everything that has happened since then. While some of them are assumed due to concealed facts and others due to the vague standing of the truth itself. But they are all possible facts. We might not like them but thats okay since they can be thrown in with opinion where everyone can take or leave.

In the 1960's we saw signifying meanings through action. We saw the birth of the Republic of Cyprus, a democratic constitution, a democratic president,an independent flag. All of that means absolutely nothing. The reason being is:

a) The Republic was given to us kindly by the UK. Anyone who fought was simply in vein. The British promised our independence in the first place and they did keep their word. Fighting had nothing to do with becoming independent.

b) You don't put a priest as a president. It almost sounds stupid to me. Even though the vice president was a Muslim himself , it is very strange to have a Muslim community in Cyprus represented by a Christian priest. It's simply not very formal and not very wise. And today I am skeptic as to if Makarios was skilled enough to handle a democratic country including his choice of administration.

Many villages in Cyprus back then had the element of peace in their home which could have resided next to Turkish speaking Cypriots or Greek speaking Cypriots. My father grew up in a village like that as a Greek speaking Cypriot and managed just fine with all villagers. Although I didn't have the fortunate chance of meeting my grandparents, they did live and do business with Turkish speaking Cypriots just fine. My grandparents also spoke immaculate Turkish at the time.

Enough about peace, lets talk about how you consider me serving the interest of the TCs by writing about how the RoC tries to remove TCs from the republic from 1960 to date.

I am not sure if this is news to you but Turkish Cypriots have equal and powerful rights in the Republic of Cyprus. They are Cypriot citizens, EU citizens and they have every legal document to prove it. They also have a democratic right to vote, to live free of oppression and ethnic cleansing, and any other right the republic of Cyprus has fought to establish throughout the years. I'm not quite sure what propaganda-drug you are on but you really need to obtain an objective view immediately before posting again.

I myself have went through endless nights going through the constitution to discover these rights myself. If I found something that made Turkish Cypriots legally and morally less than Greek Cypriots, I assure you I would be at Eleftheria Square right now screaming off the top of my voice about it. However socially many Greek Cypriots seem to have a problem with Turkish Cypriots and vice versa. I have had some very hot debates with Turkish Cypriot objective minded people as to resolve such problems and our result was to launch thelastdividedcapital.com in order to address these social issues amongst other issues. I am just tired of propaganda spoon fed people talking crap every chance they get without actually doing any investigative work.

Therefore,

Since Turkish Cypriots have equal democratic and legal rights to Greek Cypriots, if you have any chance of justifying what you say about the Republic of Cyprus driving out TCs out of the land, I suggest your next post is either silence (which is a wonderful gift of speech) or real life facts, actions, dates and all the relevant particulars.

Peace,
The Unifier.

I disagree with you on two points, which I will accept as your opinion, therefore valid even if not sound.

But as for the rest .... Excellent!

[james_mav]

Do you realise the enormity of your idiocy? .... accusing the RoC of something based on make-believe and fantasy, whilst all the while Turkey has ethnically cleansed 200,000 GCs from European soil so that she can insert her own people?

No he doesn't; the mogolistani hypocrisy is so breathtaking in its audacity, mogoloi have long convinced themselves.

[Oracle]

They didn't ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots only! That was only the start. By flooding the occupied lands of Cyprus with Anatolian settlers from Turkey they give away some sort of master plan to ethnically cleanse Turkish Cypriots also!!! I have an article coming up on that to be honest.

I agree ....

[YFred]

Hi everyone,

I recently read a 14 page thread regarding this issue in the same section of this forum. I have written the following article regarding it because I simply couldn't stand there like sheep amongst the wolves doing nothing. The article can be found at:

http://www.thelastdividedcapital.com/20 ... rminology/

Welcome to the forum.

Rather than worry about the removal of the words being used by Bayrak, perhaps you can serve the interest of the TCs better by writing about how the RoC has been attempting to remove TCs themselves and not just words from Cyprus between 1960 to date, and almost succeeding.

Now that will be some news item worth reading even for the more extreme elements of the forum who shall remain nameless mainly Eoka-Cs.

Do you realise the enormity of your idiocy? .... accusing the RoC of something based on make-believe and fantasy, whilst all the while Turkey has ethnically cleansed 200,000 GCs from European soil so that she can insert her own people?

For idiocy, one would do well to look into ones self, ocasionally in the mirror too.

[YFred]

YFred,

Throughout the previous and this week I have been going over each and individual post in order to derive people's opinions on taboo issues that are somewhat discussed on this forum and a few other scattered places on the Internet.

What you mention is irrelevant to the topic however since you mentioned it I would like to respond with a point of view that differs from many. I will not make myself out to dislike you like some people dislike your writing on this forum, I have no intention of doing anything of the sort. I first consider that someone has something to say and a meaning has to be derived from it.

I grew up long after the 1960's. In fact I am fairly new to the whole game of skepticism regarding the Cyprus "problem". Going back and studying history in detail in order to realize the progression of Cyprus through time I have come to conclusions that justify everything that has happened since then. While some of them are assumed due to concealed facts and others due to the vague standing of the truth itself. But they are all possible facts. We might not like them but thats okay since they can be thrown in with opinion where everyone can take or leave.

In the 1960's we saw signifying meanings through action. We saw the birth of the Republic of Cyprus, a democratic constitution, a democratic president,an independent flag. All of that means absolutely nothing. The reason being is:

a) The Republic was given to us kindly by the UK. Anyone who fought was simply in vein. The British promised our independence in the first place and they did keep their word. Fighting had nothing to do with becoming independent.

b) You don't put a priest as a president. It almost sounds stupid to me. Even though the vice president was a Muslim himself , it is very strange to have a Muslim community in Cyprus represented by a Christian priest. It's simply not very formal and not very wise. And today I am skeptic as to if Makarios was skilled enough to handle a democratic country including his choice of administration.

Many villages in Cyprus back then had the element of peace in their home which could have resided next to Turkish speaking Cypriots or Greek speaking Cypriots. My father grew up in a village like that as a Greek speaking Cypriot and managed just fine with all villagers. Although I didn't have the fortunate chance of meeting my grandparents, they did live and do business with Turkish speaking Cypriots just fine. My grandparents also spoke immaculate Turkish at the time.

Enough about peace, lets talk about how you consider me serving the interest of the TCs by writing about how the RoC tries to remove TCs from the republic from 1960 to date.

I am not sure if this is news to you but Turkish Cypriots have equal and powerful rights in the Republic of Cyprus. They are Cypriot citizens, EU citizens and they have every legal document to prove it. They also have a democratic right to vote, to live free of oppression and ethnic cleansing, and any other right the republic of Cyprus has fought to establish throughout the years. I'm not quite sure what propaganda-drug you are on but you really need to obtain an objective view immediately before posting again.

I myself have went through endless nights going through the constitution to discover these rights myself. If I found something that made Turkish Cypriots legally and morally less than Greek Cypriots, I assure you I would be at Eleftheria Square right now screaming off the top of my voice about it. However socially many Greek Cypriots seem to have a problem with Turkish Cypriots and vice versa. I have had some very hot debates with Turkish Cypriot objective minded people as to resolve such problems and our result was to launch thelastdividedcapital.com in order to address these social issues amongst other issues. I am just tired of propaganda spoon fed people talking crap every chance they get without actually doing any investigative work.

Therefore,

Since Turkish Cypriots have equal democratic and legal rights to Greek Cypriots, if you have any chance of justifying what you say about the Republic of Cyprus driving out TCs out of the land, I suggest your next post is either silence (which is a wonderful gift of speech) or real life facts, actions, dates and all the relevant particulars.

Peace,
The Unifier.

Unlike you, I was there from 1958 to 1972, I lived it, so don't need to do research.

[Get Real!]

...how much more intersting do you need?

Don't expect your self pity to be interesting to others...

We have been suffering a slow economic genocide in the hands of the roc and you just want it to be swept under the carpet.

So when are you going to fucking croak?

For fuck's sake, how many genocides in a row can one possibly survive?

[theunifier]

YFred,

that doesn't constitute silence or justification, so the ball remains on your side as to if you will justify your statement or not. Continuing to justify yourself with irrelevance isn't going to get you to the point. I really do care to see HOW and WHY you know and believe such facts.

Insulting other members won't really get things going to validity will it?

Peace,
The Unifier