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[halil]

The Founding President of the TRNC Rauf Denktas and the British academician Michael Moran have promoted their book, `Cyprus: Unity and Difference`, at a special event at the Dome Hotel in Girne.

The book, `a discussion in a series of letters between Rauf Denktash and Michael Moran`, was published by the Global Political Trends Center, (GPoT) and the deputy director of the centre Sylvia Tiryaki was also present at yesterday’s event.

In her speech, Ms Tiryaki said that the Centre is proud of publishing a book written by two peoples whose knowledge on the Cyprus issue cannot be questioned.

For his part, Mr. Denktas provided detailed information about the history of the peace process launched in Cyprus.

He said that there were two reasons for him to be called as `Mr No`; the first was his insistence not to turn the Turkish Cypriots into a minority and the second was his insistence that Cyprus is not a Greek island.

He said that the political equality of the two sides and the existence of two partners as well as the realities on the island should not be ignored in bringing a solution to the Cyprus problem.

Academician Michael Moran, for his part, explained that the book defends the acceptance of the existence of two separate states for the solution of the Cyprus problem and the unification of the island.

[EPSILON]

The Founding President of the TRNC Rauf Denktas and the British academician Michael Moran have promoted their book, `Cyprus: Unity and Difference`, at a special event at the Dome Hotel in Girne.

The book, `a discussion in a series of letters between Rauf Denktash and Michael Moran`, was published by the Global Political Trends Center, (GPoT) and the deputy director of the centre Sylvia Tiryaki was also present at yesterday’s event.

In her speech, Ms Tiryaki said that the Centre is proud of publishing a book written by two peoples whose knowledge on the Cyprus issue cannot be questioned.

For his part, Mr. Denktas provided detailed information about the history of the peace process launched in Cyprus.

He said that there were two reasons for him to be called as `Mr No`; the first was his insistence not to turn the Turkish Cypriots into a minority and the second was his insistence that Cyprus is not a Greek island.
He said that the political equality of the two sides and the existence of two partners as well as the realities on the island should not be ignored in bringing a solution to the Cyprus problem.

Academician Michael Moran, for his part, explained that the book defends the acceptance of the existence of two separate states for the solution of the Cyprus problem and the unification of the island.

(Saying Greek means not belongs to Greek state but habited by Greeks!!)Several G/cs including some in this forum helping Rauf Denktas in his target.

[Nikitas]

Dome hotel presentation! Symbolic that this stupendous event takes place in stolen GC property.

And can anyone explain rationally Moran's statement:"the book defends the acceptance of the existence of two separate states for the solution of the Cyprus problem and the unification of the island."

separate and unified, an oxymoron? Or is it just me not getting it?

[Get Real!]

In her speech, Ms Tiryaki said that the Centre is proud of publishing a book written by two peoples whose knowledge on the Cyprus issue cannot be questioned.

It’s more like Denktash’s knowledge on serving Turkish interests that cannot be questioned.

Cyprus knowledge he has none, as he doesn’t even recognize her existence.

[Kikapu]

Dome hotel presentation! Symbolic that this stupendous event takes place in stolen GC property.

And can anyone explain rationally Moran's statement:"the book defends the acceptance of the existence of two separate states for the solution of the Cyprus problem and the unification of the island."

separate and unified, an oxymoron? Or is it just me not getting it?

It's an O-X-Y-M-O-R-O-N statement.!

[Viewpoint]

Dome hotel presentation! Symbolic that this stupendous event takes place in stolen GC property.

And can anyone explain rationally Moran's statement:"the book defends the acceptance of the existence of two separate states for the solution of the Cyprus problem and the unification of the island."

separate and unified, an oxymoron? Or is it just me not getting it?

It's an O-X-Y-M-O-R-O-N statement.!

eg Switzerland Belgium and the former Serbia and Montenegro.

[kurupetos]

Dome hotel presentation! Symbolic that this stupendous event takes place in stolen GC property.

And can anyone explain rationally Moran's statement:"the book defends the acceptance of the existence of two separate states for the solution of the Cyprus problem and the unification of the island."

separate and unified, an oxymoron? Or is it just me not getting it?

It's an O-X-Y-M-O-R-O-N statement.!

eg Switzerland Belgium and the former Serbia and Montenegro.

No ethnic cleansing was involved in the above countries! = Irrelevant to Cyprus Problem!

[Viewpoint]

Dome hotel presentation! Symbolic that this stupendous event takes place in stolen GC property.

And can anyone explain rationally Moran's statement:"the book defends the acceptance of the existence of two separate states for the solution of the Cyprus problem and the unification of the island."

separate and unified, an oxymoron? Or is it just me not getting it?

It's an O-X-Y-M-O-R-O-N statement.!

eg Switzerland Belgium and the former Serbia and Montenegro.

No ethnic cleansing was involved in the above countries! = Irrelevant to Cyprus Problem!

USA and Australia???

As a result of 1991–1992 South Ossetia War, about 100,000 ethnic Ossetians fled South Ossetia and Georgia proper, most across the border into North Ossetia. A further 23,000 ethnic Georgians fled South Ossetia and settled in other parts of Georgia.[91] According to Helsinki Watch, the campaign of ethnic-cleansing was orchestrated by the Ossetian militants, during the events of Ossetian–Ingush conflict, which resulted in expulsion of approximately 60,000 Ingush inhabitants from Prigorodny District.[92]
The widespread ethnic cleansing accompanying the Yugoslav wars from 1991 to 1999, of which the most significant examples occurred in eastern Croatia and self-proclaimed Republic of Serbian Krajina (1991-1995) (see Operation Storm), in most of Bosnia (1992-1995), and in the Albanian-dominated breakaway Kosovo province (of Serbia) (1999). Large numbers of Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians were forced to flee their homes and expelled.[93] Beginning in 1991, political upheavals in the Balkans displaced about 2,700,000 people by mid-1992, of which over 700,000 of them sought asylum in Europe.[94][95]
The forced displacement and ethnic-cleansing of more than 250,000 people, mostly Georgians but some others too, from Abkhazia during the conflict and after in 1993 and 1998.[96]

How soon and conveniently you forget when it does not serve your purpose, the situation on this island is neither unusal or unique and the results are clear for everyone to see. With no agreement we are fast advancing towards recognized partition.

[Piratis]

USA and Australia???

That happened many centuries ago, at the time of slavery, before International law and before human rights were recognized. In fact this is what the Turks did in Asia Minor as well. Unfortunately you want to continue with the same practices in the 21st century. 35 years after your invasion and you still didn't realize that such Middle Age criminal practices are not acceptable any more and you are still dreaming about a "recognized partition"? Wake up!!

As a result of 1991–1992 South Ossetia War, about 100,000 ethnic Ossetians fled South Ossetia and Georgia proper, most across the border into North Ossetia. A further 23,000 ethnic Georgians fled South Ossetia and settled in other parts of Georgia.[91] According to Helsinki Watch, the campaign of ethnic-cleansing was orchestrated by the Ossetian militants, during the events of Ossetian–Ingush conflict, which resulted in expulsion of approximately 60,000 Ingush inhabitants from Prigorodny District.[92]
The widespread ethnic cleansing accompanying the Yugoslav wars from 1991 to 1999, of which the most significant examples occurred in eastern Croatia and self-proclaimed Republic of Serbian Krajina (1991-1995) (see Operation Storm), in most of Bosnia (1992-1995), and in the Albanian-dominated breakaway Kosovo province (of Serbia) (1999). Large numbers of Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians were forced to flee their homes and expelled.[93] Beginning in 1991, political upheavals in the Balkans displaced about 2,700,000 people by mid-1992, of which over 700,000 of them sought asylum in Europe.[94][95]
The forced displacement and ethnic-cleansing of more than 250,000 people, mostly Georgians but some others too, from Abkhazia during the conflict and after in 1993 and 1998.[96]

Nobody said that you are the only ones who committed ethnic cleanings (although you are among the best). The question here is if an area which is inhabited by a majority of one ethnicity, was ethnically cleansed from the majority of its own population and declared as an independent country of another ethnicity. This never happened in the modern era.

And since you keep talking about Montenegro, lets analyze it a bit deeper.

Montenegro is made up by 43% Montenegrins, 32% Serbs and the remaining are Croats, Albanians, Roma, Bosniaks etc.

In the referendum of 2006 the people of Montenegro, one person one vote voted in a referendum. 55.5% voted in favor of an independent Montenegro while 44.5% voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia.

Because the majority voted for Montenegro to be a separate country, their will was respected. If the majority had voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia this would again be respected. It didn't matter at all if all Serbs (32%) were against Montenegro becoming a separate country. What mattered is the will of the majority regardless of the ethnic composition. The Serbians could not say "Our community does not accept the decision of the majority, therefore we have the right to take guns and start killing people in order to prevent this from happening"

Compare the above with what you did. In the 1950s (and before) the Cypriot people were asking for a referendum, just like the one of Montenegro in 2006, so they could peacefully and democratically (= one person one vote) decide the destiny of their own island. But your minority of 18% (almost half of the Serb minority in Montenegro) did not accept democracy, but instead attacked the majority and collaborated with foreign imperialists in order to IMPOSE their will by force and have Ottoman Style privileges on the expense of all other Cypriots.

And now and since 1974, you want to determine the destiny of the north part of Cyprus by totally silencing the voice of the vast majority of the people of that territory. Do you think the referendum in Montenegro would have any legitimacy if the Serbian minority was ethnically cleansing everybody else, and then decided what to do with Montenegro by themselves? Of course not!

So if you want a Serbia - Montenegro scenario for Cyprus, you have to allow all refugees back to their homes, take all your illegal settlers off our island, and then if you want we can have a referendum among the legitimate residents of the north part of Cyprus, one person one vote like in Montenegro, and let them decide in a democratic way if they want north Cyprus partitioned or not.

Don't hope that you can create a recognized independent country on land that belongs to others by over 80% by means of ethnic cleansing in the 21st century. It will never happen.

[MR-from-NG]

USA and Australia???

[size=24]That happened many centuries ago[/size], at the time of slavery, before International law and before human rights were recognized. In fact this is what the Turks did in Asia Minor as well. Unfortunately you want to continue with the same practices in the 21st century. 35 years after your invasion and you still didn't realize that such Middle Age criminal practices are not acceptable any more and you are still dreaming about a "recognized partition"? Wake up!!

As a result of 1991–1992 South Ossetia War, about 100,000 ethnic Ossetians fled South Ossetia and Georgia proper, most across the border into North Ossetia. A further 23,000 ethnic Georgians fled South Ossetia and settled in other parts of Georgia.[91] According to Helsinki Watch, the campaign of ethnic-cleansing was orchestrated by the Ossetian militants, during the events of Ossetian–Ingush conflict, which resulted in expulsion of approximately 60,000 Ingush inhabitants from Prigorodny District.[92]
The widespread ethnic cleansing accompanying the Yugoslav wars from 1991 to 1999, of which the most significant examples occurred in eastern Croatia and self-proclaimed Republic of Serbian Krajina (1991-1995) (see Operation Storm), in most of Bosnia (1992-1995), and in the Albanian-dominated breakaway Kosovo province (of Serbia) (1999). Large numbers of Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians were forced to flee their homes and expelled.[93] Beginning in 1991, political upheavals in the Balkans displaced about 2,700,000 people by mid-1992, of which over 700,000 of them sought asylum in Europe.[94][95]
The forced displacement and ethnic-cleansing of more than 250,000 people, mostly Georgians but some others too, from Abkhazia during the conflict and after in 1993 and 1998.[96]

Nobody said that you are the only ones who committed ethnic cleanings (although you are among the best). The question here is if an area which is inhabited by a majority of one ethnicity, was ethnically cleansed from the majority of its own population and declared as an independent country of another ethnicity. This never happened in the modern era.

And since you keep talking about Montenegro, lets analyze it a bit deeper.

Montenegro is made up by 43% Montenegrins, 32% Serbs and the remaining are Croats, Albanians, Roma, Bosniaks etc.

In the referendum of 2006 the people of Montenegro, one person one vote voted in a referendum. 55.5% voted in favor of an independent Montenegro while 44.5% voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia.

Because the majority voted for Montenegro to be a separate country, their will was respected. If the majority had voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia this would again be respected. It didn't matter at all if all Serbs (32%) were against Montenegro becoming a separate country. What mattered is the will of the majority regardless of the ethnic composition. The Serbians could not say "Our community does not accept the decision of the majority, therefore we have the right to take guns and start killing people in order to prevent this from happening"

Compare the above with what you did. In the 1950s (and before) the Cypriot people were asking for a referendum, just like the one of Montenegro in 2006, so they could peacefully and democratically (= one person one vote) decide the destiny of their own island. But your minority of 18% (almost half of the Serb minority in Montenegro) did not accept democracy, but instead attacked the majority and collaborated with foreign imperialists in order to IMPOSE their will by force and have Ottoman Style privileges on the expense of all other Cypriots.

And now and since 1974, you want to determine the destiny of the north part of Cyprus by totally silencing the voice of the vast majority of the people of that territory. Do you think the referendum in Montenegro would have any legitimacy if the Serbian minority was ethnically cleansing everybody else, and then decided what to do with Montenegro by themselves? Of course not!

So if you want a Serbia - Montenegro scenario for Cyprus, you have to allow all refugees back to their homes, take all your illegal settlers off our island, and then if you want we can have a referendum among the legitimate residents of the north part of Cyprus, one person one vote like in Montenegro, and let them decide in a democratic way if they want north Cyprus partitioned or not.

Don't hope that you can create a recognized independent country on land that belongs to others by over 80% by means of ethnic cleansing in the 21st century. It will never happen.

And yet you talk about 1571 as though it was only yesterday. What a hypocrite.