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USA and Australia???

[size=24]That happened many centuries ago[/size], at the time of slavery, before International law and before human rights were recognized. In fact this is what the Turks did in Asia Minor as well. Unfortunately you want to continue with the same practices in the 21st century. 35 years after your invasion and you still didn't realize that such Middle Age criminal practices are not acceptable any more and you are still dreaming about a "recognized partition"? Wake up!!

As a result of 1991–1992 South Ossetia War, about 100,000 ethnic Ossetians fled South Ossetia and Georgia proper, most across the border into North Ossetia. A further 23,000 ethnic Georgians fled South Ossetia and settled in other parts of Georgia.[91] According to Helsinki Watch, the campaign of ethnic-cleansing was orchestrated by the Ossetian militants, during the events of Ossetian–Ingush conflict, which resulted in expulsion of approximately 60,000 Ingush inhabitants from Prigorodny District.[92]
The widespread ethnic cleansing accompanying the Yugoslav wars from 1991 to 1999, of which the most significant examples occurred in eastern Croatia and self-proclaimed Republic of Serbian Krajina (1991-1995) (see Operation Storm), in most of Bosnia (1992-1995), and in the Albanian-dominated breakaway Kosovo province (of Serbia) (1999). Large numbers of Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians were forced to flee their homes and expelled.[93] Beginning in 1991, political upheavals in the Balkans displaced about 2,700,000 people by mid-1992, of which over 700,000 of them sought asylum in Europe.[94][95]
The forced displacement and ethnic-cleansing of more than 250,000 people, mostly Georgians but some others too, from Abkhazia during the conflict and after in 1993 and 1998.[96]

Nobody said that you are the only ones who committed ethnic cleanings (although you are among the best). The question here is if an area which is inhabited by a majority of one ethnicity, was ethnically cleansed from the majority of its own population and declared as an independent country of another ethnicity. This never happened in the modern era.

And since you keep talking about Montenegro, lets analyze it a bit deeper.

Montenegro is made up by 43% Montenegrins, 32% Serbs and the remaining are Croats, Albanians, Roma, Bosniaks etc.

In the referendum of 2006 the people of Montenegro, one person one vote voted in a referendum. 55.5% voted in favor of an independent Montenegro while 44.5% voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia.

Because the majority voted for Montenegro to be a separate country, their will was respected. If the majority had voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia this would again be respected. It didn't matter at all if all Serbs (32%) were against Montenegro becoming a separate country. What mattered is the will of the majority regardless of the ethnic composition. The Serbians could not say "Our community does not accept the decision of the majority, therefore we have the right to take guns and start killing people in order to prevent this from happening"

Compare the above with what you did. In the 1950s (and before) the Cypriot people were asking for a referendum, just like the one of Montenegro in 2006, so they could peacefully and democratically (= one person one vote) decide the destiny of their own island. But your minority of 18% (almost half of the Serb minority in Montenegro) did not accept democracy, but instead attacked the majority and collaborated with foreign imperialists in order to IMPOSE their will by force and have Ottoman Style privileges on the expense of all other Cypriots.

And now and since 1974, you want to determine the destiny of the north part of Cyprus by totally silencing the voice of the vast majority of the people of that territory. Do you think the referendum in Montenegro would have any legitimacy if the Serbian minority was ethnically cleansing everybody else, and then decided what to do with Montenegro by themselves? Of course not!

So if you want a Serbia - Montenegro scenario for Cyprus, you have to allow all refugees back to their homes, take all your illegal settlers off our island, and then if you want we can have a referendum among the legitimate residents of the north part of Cyprus, one person one vote like in Montenegro, and let them decide in a democratic way if they want north Cyprus partitioned or not.

Don't hope that you can create a recognized independent country on land that belongs to others by over 80% by means of ethnic cleansing in the 21st century. It will never happen.

And yet you talk about 1571 as though it was only yesterday. What a hypocrite.

Slavery has been put behind us never to be repeated, hopefully. But, what the Otto-Turks did in 1571, they repeated in 1974!

[Piratis]

USA and Australia???

[size=24]That happened many centuries ago[/size], at the time of slavery, before International law and before human rights were recognized. In fact this is what the Turks did in Asia Minor as well. Unfortunately you want to continue with the same practices in the 21st century. 35 years after your invasion and you still didn't realize that such Middle Age criminal practices are not acceptable any more and you are still dreaming about a "recognized partition"? Wake up!!

As a result of 1991–1992 South Ossetia War, about 100,000 ethnic Ossetians fled South Ossetia and Georgia proper, most across the border into North Ossetia. A further 23,000 ethnic Georgians fled South Ossetia and settled in other parts of Georgia.[91] According to Helsinki Watch, the campaign of ethnic-cleansing was orchestrated by the Ossetian militants, during the events of Ossetian–Ingush conflict, which resulted in expulsion of approximately 60,000 Ingush inhabitants from Prigorodny District.[92]
The widespread ethnic cleansing accompanying the Yugoslav wars from 1991 to 1999, of which the most significant examples occurred in eastern Croatia and self-proclaimed Republic of Serbian Krajina (1991-1995) (see Operation Storm), in most of Bosnia (1992-1995), and in the Albanian-dominated breakaway Kosovo province (of Serbia) (1999). Large numbers of Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians were forced to flee their homes and expelled.[93] Beginning in 1991, political upheavals in the Balkans displaced about 2,700,000 people by mid-1992, of which over 700,000 of them sought asylum in Europe.[94][95]
The forced displacement and ethnic-cleansing of more than 250,000 people, mostly Georgians but some others too, from Abkhazia during the conflict and after in 1993 and 1998.[96]

Nobody said that you are the only ones who committed ethnic cleanings (although you are among the best). The question here is if an area which is inhabited by a majority of one ethnicity, was ethnically cleansed from the majority of its own population and declared as an independent country of another ethnicity. This never happened in the modern era.

And since you keep talking about Montenegro, lets analyze it a bit deeper.

Montenegro is made up by 43% Montenegrins, 32% Serbs and the remaining are Croats, Albanians, Roma, Bosniaks etc.

In the referendum of 2006 the people of Montenegro, one person one vote voted in a referendum. 55.5% voted in favor of an independent Montenegro while 44.5% voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia.

Because the majority voted for Montenegro to be a separate country, their will was respected. If the majority had voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia this would again be respected. It didn't matter at all if all Serbs (32%) were against Montenegro becoming a separate country. What mattered is the will of the majority regardless of the ethnic composition. The Serbians could not say "Our community does not accept the decision of the majority, therefore we have the right to take guns and start killing people in order to prevent this from happening"

Compare the above with what you did. In the 1950s (and before) the Cypriot people were asking for a referendum, just like the one of Montenegro in 2006, so they could peacefully and democratically (= one person one vote) decide the destiny of their own island. But your minority of 18% (almost half of the Serb minority in Montenegro) did not accept democracy, but instead attacked the majority and collaborated with foreign imperialists in order to IMPOSE their will by force and have Ottoman Style privileges on the expense of all other Cypriots.

And now and since 1974, you want to determine the destiny of the north part of Cyprus by totally silencing the voice of the vast majority of the people of that territory. Do you think the referendum in Montenegro would have any legitimacy if the Serbian minority was ethnically cleansing everybody else, and then decided what to do with Montenegro by themselves? Of course not!

So if you want a Serbia - Montenegro scenario for Cyprus, you have to allow all refugees back to their homes, take all your illegal settlers off our island, and then if you want we can have a referendum among the legitimate residents of the north part of Cyprus, one person one vote like in Montenegro, and let them decide in a democratic way if they want north Cyprus partitioned or not.

Don't hope that you can create a recognized independent country on land that belongs to others by over 80% by means of ethnic cleansing in the 21st century. It will never happen.

And yet you talk about 1571 as though it was only yesterday. What a hypocrite.

If your crimes against us happened once in 1571 then I wouldn't say a thing. Do you hear me saying anything about the Venetians or the rulers before them?

The problem with the Turks is that they only started to oppress us in 1571, but their aggression and oppression continues non-stop until TODAY.

When you finally accept democracy and human rights for Cyprus, and you stop assisting foreign Imperialists in order to have Ottoman style gains on the expense of every other Cypriot, then we will be able to live in peace as equal citizens and what happened in the past will be irrelevant (in the same way that the Venetian/Frankish rule is irrelevant to the relationship of the Cypriots with their Latin minority)

[Viewpoint]

USA and Australia???

That happened many centuries ago, at the time of slavery, before International law and before human rights were recognized. In fact this is what the Turks did in Asia Minor as well. Unfortunately you want to continue with the same practices in the 21st century. 35 years after your invasion and you still didn't realize that such Middle Age criminal practices are not acceptable any more and you are still dreaming about a "recognized partition"? Wake up!!

As a result of 1991–1992 South Ossetia War, about 100,000 ethnic Ossetians fled South Ossetia and Georgia proper, most across the border into North Ossetia. A further 23,000 ethnic Georgians fled South Ossetia and settled in other parts of Georgia.[91] According to Helsinki Watch, the campaign of ethnic-cleansing was orchestrated by the Ossetian militants, during the events of Ossetian–Ingush conflict, which resulted in expulsion of approximately 60,000 Ingush inhabitants from Prigorodny District.[92]
The widespread ethnic cleansing accompanying the Yugoslav wars from 1991 to 1999, of which the most significant examples occurred in eastern Croatia and self-proclaimed Republic of Serbian Krajina (1991-1995) (see Operation Storm), in most of Bosnia (1992-1995), and in the Albanian-dominated breakaway Kosovo province (of Serbia) (1999). Large numbers of Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians were forced to flee their homes and expelled.[93] Beginning in 1991, political upheavals in the Balkans displaced about 2,700,000 people by mid-1992, of which over 700,000 of them sought asylum in Europe.[94][95]
The forced displacement and ethnic-cleansing of more than 250,000 people, mostly Georgians but some others too, from Abkhazia during the conflict and after in 1993 and 1998.[96]

Nobody said that you are the only ones who committed ethnic cleanings (although you are among the best). The question here is if an area which is inhabited by a majority of one ethnicity, was ethnically cleansed from the majority of its own population and declared as an independent country of another ethnicity. This never happened in the modern era.

And since you keep talking about Montenegro, lets analyze it a bit deeper.

Montenegro is made up by 43% Montenegrins, 32% Serbs and the remaining are Croats, Albanians, Roma, Bosniaks etc.

In the referendum of 2006 the people of Montenegro, one person one vote voted in a referendum. 55.5% voted in favor of an independent Montenegro while 44.5% voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia.

Because the majority voted for Montenegro to be a separate country, their will was respected. If the majority had voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia this would again be respected. It didn't matter at all if all Serbs (32%) were against Montenegro becoming a separate country. What mattered is the will of the majority regardless of the ethnic composition. The Serbians could not say "Our community does not accept the decision of the majority, therefore we have the right to take guns and start killing people in order to prevent this from happening"

Compare the above with what you did. In the 1950s (and before) the Cypriot people were asking for a referendum, just like the one of Montenegro in 2006, so they could peacefully and democratically (= one person one vote) decide the destiny of their own island. But your minority of 18% (almost half of the Serb minority in Montenegro) did not accept democracy, but instead attacked the majority and collaborated with foreign imperialists in order to IMPOSE their will by force and have Ottoman Style privileges on the expense of all other Cypriots.

And now and since 1974, you want to determine the destiny of the north part of Cyprus by totally silencing the voice of the vast majority of the people of that territory. Do you think the referendum in Montenegro would have any legitimacy if the Serbian minority was ethnically cleansing everybody else, and then decided what to do with Montenegro by themselves? Of course not!

So if you want a Serbia - Montenegro scenario for Cyprus, you have to allow all refugees back to their homes, take all your illegal settlers off our island, and then if you want we can have a referendum among the legitimate residents of the north part of Cyprus, one person one vote like in Montenegro, and let them decide in a democratic way if they want north Cyprus partitioned or not.

Don't hope that you can create a recognized independent country on land that belongs to others by over 80% by means of ethnic cleansing in the 21st century. It will never happen.

It is only to be expected that you will twist the truth to suit your own goals but everyone saw that not in 1974 but in the 1990s ethnic cleansing took place and many areas of the former Yugoslavia were changed forever. Do you know that your attitude will take you nowhere near your desired goal as we will not capitulate because you demand it. You have to realize that our demands have to be taken in account just as your do and that we will not be pushed to one side or allow you to do this in the future. Once you come to terms with this simple ideology you will start to understand appreciate and generate solutions rather than continue to display a despot mindset which has got you in the mess your are in today.

As for the Serbia Montenegro example should be taken as an example of 2 states under one roof which decided to go their seperate ways. We support what the UN support a 2 state solution with political equality under a federal structure...You are the ones causing problems and trying to water this down into a unitary state where the Gcs have a free hand to administer "democracy and human rights" for all as they see fit. soory to dissapoint but we will never expose ourselves to such a dangerous agreement and demand safeguards to guarantee our rights and to ensure you have no chance to changing the original agreements, like you did in the past.

[Dr J]

As for the Serbia Montenegro example should be taken as an example of 2 states under one roof which decided to go their seperate ways. We support what the UN support a 2 state solution with political equality under a federal structure...You are the ones causing problems and trying to water this down into a unitary state where the Gcs have a free hand to administer "democracy and human rights" for all as they see fit. soory to dissapoint but we will never expose ourselves to such a dangerous agreement and demand safeguards to guarantee our rights and to ensure you have no chance to changing the original agreements, like you did in the past.

End of the day Viewpoint...

we'll never give up the struggle to get back what belongs to us from you foreigners - even if it means taking up arms.

[Viewpoint]

As for the Serbia Montenegro example should be taken as an example of 2 states under one roof which decided to go their seperate ways. We support what the UN support a 2 state solution with political equality under a federal structure...You are the ones causing problems and trying to water this down into a unitary state where the Gcs have a free hand to administer "democracy and human rights" for all as they see fit. soory to dissapoint but we will never expose ourselves to such a dangerous agreement and demand safeguards to guarantee our rights and to ensure you have no chance to changing the original agreements, like you did in the past.

End of the day Viewpoint...

we'll never give up the struggle to get back what belongs to us from you foreigners - even if it means taking up arms.

And we ill fight back like we did in 1974.

[bill cobbett]

As for the Serbia Montenegro example should be taken as an example of 2 states under one roof which decided to go their seperate ways. We support what the UN support a 2 state solution with political equality under a federal structure...You are the ones causing problems and trying to water this down into a unitary state where the Gcs have a free hand to administer "democracy and human rights" for all as they see fit. soory to dissapoint but we will never expose ourselves to such a dangerous agreement and demand safeguards to guarantee our rights and to ensure you have no chance to changing the original agreements, like you did in the past.

End of the day Viewpoint...

we'll never give up the struggle to get back what belongs to us from you foreigners - even if it means taking up arms.

And we ill fight back like we did in 1974.

How many thousands of civilians will you be inviting your Turkish Army friends to murder, rape and torture next time mate, like what you did in '74?

[Piratis]

USA and Australia???

That happened many centuries ago, at the time of slavery, before International law and before human rights were recognized. In fact this is what the Turks did in Asia Minor as well. Unfortunately you want to continue with the same practices in the 21st century. 35 years after your invasion and you still didn't realize that such Middle Age criminal practices are not acceptable any more and you are still dreaming about a "recognized partition"? Wake up!!

As a result of 1991–1992 South Ossetia War, about 100,000 ethnic Ossetians fled South Ossetia and Georgia proper, most across the border into North Ossetia. A further 23,000 ethnic Georgians fled South Ossetia and settled in other parts of Georgia.[91] According to Helsinki Watch, the campaign of ethnic-cleansing was orchestrated by the Ossetian militants, during the events of Ossetian–Ingush conflict, which resulted in expulsion of approximately 60,000 Ingush inhabitants from Prigorodny District.[92]
The widespread ethnic cleansing accompanying the Yugoslav wars from 1991 to 1999, of which the most significant examples occurred in eastern Croatia and self-proclaimed Republic of Serbian Krajina (1991-1995) (see Operation Storm), in most of Bosnia (1992-1995), and in the Albanian-dominated breakaway Kosovo province (of Serbia) (1999). Large numbers of Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians were forced to flee their homes and expelled.[93] Beginning in 1991, political upheavals in the Balkans displaced about 2,700,000 people by mid-1992, of which over 700,000 of them sought asylum in Europe.[94][95]
The forced displacement and ethnic-cleansing of more than 250,000 people, mostly Georgians but some others too, from Abkhazia during the conflict and after in 1993 and 1998.[96]

Nobody said that you are the only ones who committed ethnic cleanings (although you are among the best). The question here is if an area which is inhabited by a majority of one ethnicity, was ethnically cleansed from the majority of its own population and declared as an independent country of another ethnicity. This never happened in the modern era.

And since you keep talking about Montenegro, lets analyze it a bit deeper.

Montenegro is made up by 43% Montenegrins, 32% Serbs and the remaining are Croats, Albanians, Roma, Bosniaks etc.

In the referendum of 2006 the people of Montenegro, one person one vote voted in a referendum. 55.5% voted in favor of an independent Montenegro while 44.5% voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia.

Because the majority voted for Montenegro to be a separate country, their will was respected. If the majority had voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia this would again be respected. It didn't matter at all if all Serbs (32%) were against Montenegro becoming a separate country. What mattered is the will of the majority regardless of the ethnic composition. The Serbians could not say "Our community does not accept the decision of the majority, therefore we have the right to take guns and start killing people in order to prevent this from happening"

Compare the above with what you did. In the 1950s (and before) the Cypriot people were asking for a referendum, just like the one of Montenegro in 2006, so they could peacefully and democratically (= one person one vote) decide the destiny of their own island. But your minority of 18% (almost half of the Serb minority in Montenegro) did not accept democracy, but instead attacked the majority and collaborated with foreign imperialists in order to IMPOSE their will by force and have Ottoman Style privileges on the expense of all other Cypriots.

And now and since 1974, you want to determine the destiny of the north part of Cyprus by totally silencing the voice of the vast majority of the people of that territory. Do you think the referendum in Montenegro would have any legitimacy if the Serbian minority was ethnically cleansing everybody else, and then decided what to do with Montenegro by themselves? Of course not!

So if you want a Serbia - Montenegro scenario for Cyprus, you have to allow all refugees back to their homes, take all your illegal settlers off our island, and then if you want we can have a referendum among the legitimate residents of the north part of Cyprus, one person one vote like in Montenegro, and let them decide in a democratic way if they want north Cyprus partitioned or not.

Don't hope that you can create a recognized independent country on land that belongs to others by over 80% by means of ethnic cleansing in the 21st century. It will never happen.

It is only to be expected that you will twist the truth to suit your own goals but everyone saw that not in 1974 but in the 1990s ethnic cleansing took place and many areas of the former Yugoslavia were changed forever. Do you know that your attitude will take you nowhere near your desired goal as we will not capitulate because you demand it. You have to realize that our demands have to be taken in account just as your do and that we will not be pushed to one side or allow you to do this in the future. Once you come to terms with this simple ideology you will start to understand appreciate and generate solutions rather than continue to display a despot mindset which has got you in the mess your are in today.

As for the Serbia Montenegro example should be taken as an example of 2 states under one roof which decided to go their seperate ways. We support what the UN support a 2 state solution with political equality under a federal structure...You are the ones causing problems and trying to water this down into a unitary state where the Gcs have a free hand to administer "democracy and human rights" for all as they see fit. soory to dissapoint but we will never expose ourselves to such a dangerous agreement and demand safeguards to guarantee our rights and to ensure you have no chance to changing the original agreements, like you did in the past.

You are the one who is trying to twist the truth. No state of the former Yugoslavia is a result of ethnic cleansing. The majority of the population of each of the new states that were created out of Yugoslavia (even including Kosovo) is made up by the same majority that those territories had before Yugoslavia broke up.

What you want to do in Cyprus, to create a separate state for TCs on land where the 80% majority are Greek Cypriots, happened nowhere else in the modern era.

Therefore all your "examples" are irrelevant. If in Cyprus we have what they had during Serbia-Montenegro, then what we would have would be two states that both have a majority of Greek Cypriots.

What you want is to STEAL our land ETHNICALLY CLEANSE the majority of the Cypriot people from the north part of Cyprus and create a separate state for yourselves on what you stole from us. This illegal, criminal and will never be accepted by us.

Only if we are idiots and we gift to you the north part of our island your dreams can come true. But as you found out most of us are not idiots, so your dreams of creating a Turkish state on land that you stole from us will never become true.

[Piratis]

As for the Serbia Montenegro example should be taken as an example of 2 states under one roof which decided to go their seperate ways. We support what the UN support a 2 state solution with political equality under a federal structure...You are the ones causing problems and trying to water this down into a unitary state where the Gcs have a free hand to administer "democracy and human rights" for all as they see fit. soory to dissapoint but we will never expose ourselves to such a dangerous agreement and demand safeguards to guarantee our rights and to ensure you have no chance to changing the original agreements, like you did in the past.

End of the day Viewpoint...

we'll never give up the struggle to get back what belongs to us from you foreigners - even if it means taking up arms.

And we ill fight back like we did in 1974.

You didn't fight back in 1974. In 1974, like always (1571, 1958) you were the ones who attacked. In all cases we were the ones who defended our island from the foreign invaders like yourself.

[Viewpoint]

As for the Serbia Montenegro example should be taken as an example of 2 states under one roof which decided to go their seperate ways. We support what the UN support a 2 state solution with political equality under a federal structure...You are the ones causing problems and trying to water this down into a unitary state where the Gcs have a free hand to administer "democracy and human rights" for all as they see fit. soory to dissapoint but we will never expose ourselves to such a dangerous agreement and demand safeguards to guarantee our rights and to ensure you have no chance to changing the original agreements, like you did in the past.

End of the day Viewpoint...

we'll never give up the struggle to get back what belongs to us from you foreigners - even if it means taking up arms.

And we ill fight back like we did in 1974.

How many thousands of civilians will you be inviting your Turkish Army friends to murder, rape and torture next time mate, like what you did in '74?

War is never a pretty thing...the thing is to avoid it at all costs but the GCs still want to take up arms..then we have to fight back.

[Viewpoint]

USA and Australia???

That happened many centuries ago, at the time of slavery, before International law and before human rights were recognized. In fact this is what the Turks did in Asia Minor as well. Unfortunately you want to continue with the same practices in the 21st century. 35 years after your invasion and you still didn't realize that such Middle Age criminal practices are not acceptable any more and you are still dreaming about a "recognized partition"? Wake up!!

As a result of 1991–1992 South Ossetia War, about 100,000 ethnic Ossetians fled South Ossetia and Georgia proper, most across the border into North Ossetia. A further 23,000 ethnic Georgians fled South Ossetia and settled in other parts of Georgia.[91] According to Helsinki Watch, the campaign of ethnic-cleansing was orchestrated by the Ossetian militants, during the events of Ossetian–Ingush conflict, which resulted in expulsion of approximately 60,000 Ingush inhabitants from Prigorodny District.[92]
The widespread ethnic cleansing accompanying the Yugoslav wars from 1991 to 1999, of which the most significant examples occurred in eastern Croatia and self-proclaimed Republic of Serbian Krajina (1991-1995) (see Operation Storm), in most of Bosnia (1992-1995), and in the Albanian-dominated breakaway Kosovo province (of Serbia) (1999). Large numbers of Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Albanians were forced to flee their homes and expelled.[93] Beginning in 1991, political upheavals in the Balkans displaced about 2,700,000 people by mid-1992, of which over 700,000 of them sought asylum in Europe.[94][95]
The forced displacement and ethnic-cleansing of more than 250,000 people, mostly Georgians but some others too, from Abkhazia during the conflict and after in 1993 and 1998.[96]

Nobody said that you are the only ones who committed ethnic cleanings (although you are among the best). The question here is if an area which is inhabited by a majority of one ethnicity, was ethnically cleansed from the majority of its own population and declared as an independent country of another ethnicity. This never happened in the modern era.

And since you keep talking about Montenegro, lets analyze it a bit deeper.

Montenegro is made up by 43% Montenegrins, 32% Serbs and the remaining are Croats, Albanians, Roma, Bosniaks etc.

In the referendum of 2006 the people of Montenegro, one person one vote voted in a referendum. 55.5% voted in favor of an independent Montenegro while 44.5% voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia.

Because the majority voted for Montenegro to be a separate country, their will was respected. If the majority had voted for Montenegro to be united with Serbia this would again be respected. It didn't matter at all if all Serbs (32%) were against Montenegro becoming a separate country. What mattered is the will of the majority regardless of the ethnic composition. The Serbians could not say "Our community does not accept the decision of the majority, therefore we have the right to take guns and start killing people in order to prevent this from happening"

Compare the above with what you did. In the 1950s (and before) the Cypriot people were asking for a referendum, just like the one of Montenegro in 2006, so they could peacefully and democratically (= one person one vote) decide the destiny of their own island. But your minority of 18% (almost half of the Serb minority in Montenegro) did not accept democracy, but instead attacked the majority and collaborated with foreign imperialists in order to IMPOSE their will by force and have Ottoman Style privileges on the expense of all other Cypriots.

And now and since 1974, you want to determine the destiny of the north part of Cyprus by totally silencing the voice of the vast majority of the people of that territory. Do you think the referendum in Montenegro would have any legitimacy if the Serbian minority was ethnically cleansing everybody else, and then decided what to do with Montenegro by themselves? Of course not!

So if you want a Serbia - Montenegro scenario for Cyprus, you have to allow all refugees back to their homes, take all your illegal settlers off our island, and then if you want we can have a referendum among the legitimate residents of the north part of Cyprus, one person one vote like in Montenegro, and let them decide in a democratic way if they want north Cyprus partitioned or not.

Don't hope that you can create a recognized independent country on land that belongs to others by over 80% by means of ethnic cleansing in the 21st century. It will never happen.

It is only to be expected that you will twist the truth to suit your own goals but everyone saw that not in 1974 but in the 1990s ethnic cleansing took place and many areas of the former Yugoslavia were changed forever. Do you know that your attitude will take you nowhere near your desired goal as we will not capitulate because you demand it. You have to realize that our demands have to be taken in account just as your do and that we will not be pushed to one side or allow you to do this in the future. Once you come to terms with this simple ideology you will start to understand appreciate and generate solutions rather than continue to display a despot mindset which has got you in the mess your are in today.

As for the Serbia Montenegro example should be taken as an example of 2 states under one roof which decided to go their seperate ways. We support what the UN support a 2 state solution with political equality under a federal structure...You are the ones causing problems and trying to water this down into a unitary state where the Gcs have a free hand to administer "democracy and human rights" for all as they see fit. soory to dissapoint but we will never expose ourselves to such a dangerous agreement and demand safeguards to guarantee our rights and to ensure you have no chance to changing the original agreements, like you did in the past.

You are the one who is trying to twist the truth. No state of the former Yugoslavia is a result of ethnic cleansing. The majority of the population of each of the new states that were created out of Yugoslavia (even including Kosovo) is made up by the same majority that those territories had before Yugoslavia broke up.

What you want to do in Cyprus, to create a separate state for TCs on land where the 80% majority are Greek Cypriots, happened nowhere else in the modern era.

Therefore all your "examples" are irrelevant. If in Cyprus we have what they had during Serbia-Montenegro, then what we would have would be two states that both have a majority of Greek Cypriots.

What you want is to STEAL our land ETHNICALLY CLEANSE the majority of the Cypriot people from the north part of Cyprus and create a separate state for yourselves on what you stole from us. This illegal, criminal and will never be accepted by us.

Only if we are idiots and we gift to you the north part of our island your dreams can come true. But as you found out most of us are not idiots, so your dreams of creating a Turkish state on land that you stole from us will never become true.

Piratis its early days yet many generations have to pass before recognition arrives we are in it for the long run but you can rest assured that your attitude will guarantee its success, as you and the majority of GCs do not posses the ability or know how to reunite this island as your whole arguement just make you sink depper and deeper into the sand called partition and ultimate recognition. If you were clever you would have worked out that the TCs demands are not that extreme and that with a little flexiblity imagination and foresight the TCs can easily be encouraged to move closer to the GC and a unified island but all you continue to do is reconfirm the dangers and fears that will ensure TC never want to unite with the GC south.

Before you answer please stop and think for a few minutes about what I am saying...dont respond with your usual dialogue as it wont work..as it has not for the last few years.