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[denizaksulu]

I need more than that.... And if you really could go on all night I would love to know what really sends you round the bend with the current status of the constitution. Today is more important to me than yesterday...

Well, for starters the TC's do not have a veto today.

No. They have a bigger stick. Which would you have prefered? A veto or the whole island?

The whole island without a veto. Veto all you like on matters that involve the TC community specifically and list them before hand in the constitution. But to have the arrogance to think that 18% of the population should be able to stop ANY law or action by the govt is ludicrous.

Especially when the ties with Turkey are so strong and it will take decades for the Cypriot Turks to start acting for the benefit of Cyprus and not the benefit of Turkey.

Well, this is where democracy was a failure. Even the 30:70 would not have saved the TCs from the overpowering GCs. What chance would 18% have. These figures were presented to give the TCs a chance of survival. Not perfect but no chance was given to the people of Cyprus to work this out -TOGETHER. Now we have this mess. I pray that those who created this mess rot in hell.

[YFred]

I need more than that.... And if you really could go on all night I would love to know what really sends you round the bend with the current status of the constitution. Today is more important to me than yesterday...

Well, for starters the TC's do not have a veto today.

No. They have a bigger stick. Which would you have prefered? A veto or the whole island?

The whole island without a veto. Veto all you like on matters that involve the TC community specifically and list them before hand in the constitution. But to have the arrogance to think that 18% of the population should be able to stop ANY law or action by the govt is ludicrous.

Especially when the ties with Turkey are so strong and it will take decades for the Cypriot Turks to start acting for the benefit of Cyprus and not the benefit of Turkey.

Well, this is where democracy was a failure. Even the 30:70 would not have saved the TCs from the overpowering GCs. What chance would 18% have. These figures were presented to give the TCs a chance of survival. Not perfect but no chance was given to the people of Cyprus to work this out -TOGETHER. Now we have this mess. I pray that those who created this mess rot in hell.

I second that.

[DT.]

I need more than that.... And if you really could go on all night I would love to know what really sends you round the bend with the current status of the constitution. Today is more important to me than yesterday...

Well, for starters the TC's do not have a veto today.

No. They have a bigger stick. Which would you have prefered? A veto or the whole island?

The whole island without a veto. Veto all you like on matters that involve the TC community specifically and list them before hand in the constitution. But to have the arrogance to think that 18% of the population should be able to stop ANY law or action by the govt is ludicrous.

Especially when the ties with Turkey are so strong and it will take decades for the Cypriot Turks to start acting for the benefit of Cyprus and not the benefit of Turkey.

Well, this is where democracy was a failure. Even the 30:70 would not have saved the TCs from the overpowering GCs. What chance would 18% have. These figures were presented to give the TCs a chance of survival. Not perfect but no chance was given to the people of Cyprus to work this out -TOGETHER. Now we have this mess. I pray that those who created this mess rot in hell.

I second that.

These figures were not presented to give the TCs a chance at survival. Denktash had the walk out from govt ready from day 1. His ministers in govt left behind instructions on the manner in which they will walk out.

If the TC's were interested in survival then they would not have blocked vital functions of the govt eventually leading it into paralysis. If the TC's were interested in survival then they would have insisted on strong protection rights for their community on specific situations that interest only the TC's. How do you expect to survive when 82% of the population of your country is being repeatedly discriminated against?

Here I am claiming democracy and human rights and gimps like Yfred who could not comprehend democracy and human rights if it was dipped like a shoushouko in front of them, is arguing against WHAT? democracy and human rights.

[YFred]

I need more than that.... And if you really could go on all night I would love to know what really sends you round the bend with the current status of the constitution. Today is more important to me than yesterday...

Well, for starters the TC's do not have a veto today.

No. They have a bigger stick. Which would you have prefered? A veto or the whole island?

The whole island without a veto. Veto all you like on matters that involve the TC community specifically and list them before hand in the constitution. But to have the arrogance to think that 18% of the population should be able to stop ANY law or action by the govt is ludicrous.

Especially when the ties with Turkey are so strong and it will take decades for the Cypriot Turks to start acting for the benefit of Cyprus and not the benefit of Turkey.

Well, this is where democracy was a failure. Even the 30:70 would not have saved the TCs from the overpowering GCs. What chance would 18% have. These figures were presented to give the TCs a chance of survival. Not perfect but no chance was given to the people of Cyprus to work this out -TOGETHER. Now we have this mess. I pray that those who created this mess rot in hell.

I second that.

These figures were not presented to give the TCs a chance at survival. Denktash had the walk out from govt ready from day 1. His ministers in govt left behind instructions on the manner in which they will walk out.

If the TC's were interested in survival then they would not have blocked vital functions of the govt eventually leading it into paralysis. If the TC's were interested in survival then they would have insisted on strong protection rights for their community on specific situations that interest only the TC's. How do you expect to survive when 82% of the population of your country is being repeatedly discriminated against?

Here I am claiming democracy and human rights and gimps like Yfred who could not comprehend democracy and human rights if it was dipped like a shoushouko in front of them, is arguing against WHAT? democracy and human rights.

Is gimp a self portrait DT, after all you are the product of the Greek Army. And we all know what the Greeks like old boy, don't we now?

We will have democracy you little shitbag with you or without you, sooner or later.

BTW if you need psychological help on account of your family's contribution to the Cyprus problem I am sure help is available, but if there isn't come over to UK and get some treatment, it’s free.

[Kikapu]

I need more than that.... And if you really could go on all night I would love to know what really sends you round the bend with the current status of the constitution. Today is more important to me than yesterday...

Well, for starters the TC's do not have a veto today.

No. They have a bigger stick. Which would you have prefered? A veto or the whole island?

The whole island without a veto. Veto all you like on matters that involve the TC community specifically and list them before hand in the constitution. But to have the arrogance to think that 18% of the population should be able to stop ANY law or action by the govt is ludicrous.

Especially when the ties with Turkey are so strong and it will take decades for the Cypriot Turks to start acting for the benefit of Cyprus and not the benefit of Turkey.

Well, this is where democracy was a failure. Even the 30:70 would not have saved the TCs from the overpowering GCs. What chance would 18% have. These figures were presented to give the TCs a chance of survival. Not perfect but no chance was given to the people of Cyprus to work this out -TOGETHER. Now we have this mess. I pray that those who created this mess rot in hell.

this is where democracy was a failure

Deniz,

But there was no such thing as a Democracy in Cyprus, at least not the kind of Democracy the West is built on, and that's why it failed. Numbers such as 30%-70% are a problem when unfair allocations of Government jobs, Government seats and a 50% power in the form of a veto power is given to a 18% of the population in an undemocratic method just because they are 18% and not because of earning those positions. In fact, a veto power by any group is not just 50% power control, but a full 100% power control, therefore the 18% had full 100% power and not just 50%. Where is the Democracy in that.? They also had "Democracy" in South Africa where the minority whites also had full 100% power over the majority, so was that also a Democracy or something else.? The whites believed it was a Democracy, but was it.? On the other hand, the Blacks in the USA are only 10% of the overall US population and only through True Democracy (in the last 50 years or so), we have a Black President. But yet, with 18% of the overall Cyprus population, a TC could never have become a president according to the 1960 constitution, so once again, where was the Democracy in that.? Today the TC's still want to go back to those dark days of no Democracy but only to privileges instead as the case was in the 1960 constitution, and also wanting a separate state in their own name built mostly on others land in a form of a "founding state" which can become independent anytime in the future just by the majority in that state voting for it. No wonder the GC's are in no mood to grant the 18% (less than 10% now) today what was given to them in 1960 by the British. I think it is high time , that in order to find a solution to Cyprus, everyone will need to walk in everyone else’s shoes a mile or so to understand where the others are coming from and not just only insisting on, I want, I want, I want.!

[Oracle]

I need more than that.... And if you really could go on all night I would love to know what really sends you round the bend with the current status of the constitution. Today is more important to me than yesterday...

Well, for starters the TC's do not have a veto today.

No. They have a bigger stick. Which would you have prefered? A veto or the whole island?

The whole island without a veto. Veto all you like on matters that involve the TC community specifically and list them before hand in the constitution. But to have the arrogance to think that 18% of the population should be able to stop ANY law or action by the govt is ludicrous.

Especially when the ties with Turkey are so strong and it will take decades for the Cypriot Turks to start acting for the benefit of Cyprus and not the benefit of Turkey.

Well, this is where democracy was a failure. Even the 30:70 would not have saved the TCs from the overpowering GCs. What chance would 18% have. These figures were presented to give the TCs a chance of survival. Not perfect but no chance was given to the people of Cyprus to work this out -TOGETHER. Now we have this mess. I pray that those who created this mess rot in hell.

I second that.

These figures were not presented to give the TCs a chance at survival. Denktash had the walk out from govt ready from day 1. His ministers in govt left behind instructions on the manner in which they will walk out.

If the TC's were interested in survival then they would not have blocked vital functions of the govt eventually leading it into paralysis. If the TC's were interested in survival then they would have insisted on strong protection rights for their community on specific situations that interest only the TC's. How do you expect to survive when 82% of the population of your country is being repeatedly discriminated against?

Here I am claiming democracy and human rights and gimps like Yfred who could not comprehend democracy and human rights if it was dipped like a shoushouko in front of them, is arguing against WHAT? democracy and human rights.

Is gimp a self portrait DT, after all you are the product of the Greek Army. And we all know what the Greeks like old boy, don't we now?

We will have democracy you little shitbag with you or without you, sooner or later.

BTW if you need psychological help on account of your family's contribution to the Cyprus problem I am sure help is available, but if there isn't come over to UK and get some treatment, it’s free.

Idiot!

[YFred]

I need more than that.... And if you really could go on all night I would love to know what really sends you round the bend with the current status of the constitution. Today is more important to me than yesterday...

Well, for starters the TC's do not have a veto today.

No. They have a bigger stick. Which would you have prefered? A veto or the whole island?

The whole island without a veto. Veto all you like on matters that involve the TC community specifically and list them before hand in the constitution. But to have the arrogance to think that 18% of the population should be able to stop ANY law or action by the govt is ludicrous.

Especially when the ties with Turkey are so strong and it will take decades for the Cypriot Turks to start acting for the benefit of Cyprus and not the benefit of Turkey.

Well, this is where democracy was a failure. Even the 30:70 would not have saved the TCs from the overpowering GCs. What chance would 18% have. These figures were presented to give the TCs a chance of survival. Not perfect but no chance was given to the people of Cyprus to work this out -TOGETHER. Now we have this mess. I pray that those who created this mess rot in hell.

I second that.

These figures were not presented to give the TCs a chance at survival. Denktash had the walk out from govt ready from day 1. His ministers in govt left behind instructions on the manner in which they will walk out.

If the TC's were interested in survival then they would not have blocked vital functions of the govt eventually leading it into paralysis. If the TC's were interested in survival then they would have insisted on strong protection rights for their community on specific situations that interest only the TC's. How do you expect to survive when 82% of the population of your country is being repeatedly discriminated against?

Here I am claiming democracy and human rights and gimps like Yfred who could not comprehend democracy and human rights if it was dipped like a shoushouko in front of them, is arguing against WHAT? democracy and human rights.

Is gimp a self portrait DT, after all you are the product of the Greek Army. And we all know what the Greeks like old boy, don't we now?

We will have democracy you little shitbag with you or without you, sooner or later.

BTW if you need psychological help on account of your family's contribution to the Cyprus problem I am sure help is available, but if there isn't come over to UK and get some treatment, it’s free.

Idiot!

Back to your reproduction revision dearest.

[DT.]

I need more than that.... And if you really could go on all night I would love to know what really sends you round the bend with the current status of the constitution. Today is more important to me than yesterday...

Well, for starters the TC's do not have a veto today.

No. They have a bigger stick. Which would you have prefered? A veto or the whole island?

The whole island without a veto. Veto all you like on matters that involve the TC community specifically and list them before hand in the constitution. But to have the arrogance to think that 18% of the population should be able to stop ANY law or action by the govt is ludicrous.

Especially when the ties with Turkey are so strong and it will take decades for the Cypriot Turks to start acting for the benefit of Cyprus and not the benefit of Turkey.

Well, this is where democracy was a failure. Even the 30:70 would not have saved the TCs from the overpowering GCs. What chance would 18% have. These figures were presented to give the TCs a chance of survival. Not perfect but no chance was given to the people of Cyprus to work this out -TOGETHER. Now we have this mess. I pray that those who created this mess rot in hell.

I second that.

These figures were not presented to give the TCs a chance at survival. Denktash had the walk out from govt ready from day 1. His ministers in govt left behind instructions on the manner in which they will walk out.

If the TC's were interested in survival then they would not have blocked vital functions of the govt eventually leading it into paralysis. If the TC's were interested in survival then they would have insisted on strong protection rights for their community on specific situations that interest only the TC's. How do you expect to survive when 82% of the population of your country is being repeatedly discriminated against?

Here I am claiming democracy and human rights and gimps like Yfred who could not comprehend democracy and human rights if it was dipped like a shoushouko in front of them, is arguing against WHAT? democracy and human rights.

Is gimp a self portrait DT, after all you are the product of the Greek Army. And we all know what the Greeks like old boy, don't we now?

We will have democracy you little shitbag with you or without you, sooner or later.

BTW if you need psychological help on account of your family's contribution to the Cyprus problem I am sure help is available, but if there isn't come over to UK and get some treatment, it’s free.

You have anything to say to me you treasonous, grey wolf, placenta by-product come say it to my face. My office is on Kennedy Avenue, Nicosia on the still democratic, still free side of the island. If interested I'll pm you the exact address.

[Oracle]

I need more than that.... And if you really could go on all night I would love to know what really sends you round the bend with the current status of the constitution. Today is more important to me than yesterday...

Well, for starters the TC's do not have a veto today.

No. They have a bigger stick. Which would you have prefered? A veto or the whole island?

The whole island without a veto. Veto all you like on matters that involve the TC community specifically and list them before hand in the constitution. But to have the arrogance to think that 18% of the population should be able to stop ANY law or action by the govt is ludicrous.

Especially when the ties with Turkey are so strong and it will take decades for the Cypriot Turks to start acting for the benefit of Cyprus and not the benefit of Turkey.

Well, this is where democracy was a failure. Even the 30:70 would not have saved the TCs from the overpowering GCs. What chance would 18% have. These figures were presented to give the TCs a chance of survival. Not perfect but no chance was given to the people of Cyprus to work this out -TOGETHER. Now we have this mess. I pray that those who created this mess rot in hell.

I second that.

These figures were not presented to give the TCs a chance at survival. Denktash had the walk out from govt ready from day 1. His ministers in govt left behind instructions on the manner in which they will walk out.

If the TC's were interested in survival then they would not have blocked vital functions of the govt eventually leading it into paralysis. If the TC's were interested in survival then they would have insisted on strong protection rights for their community on specific situations that interest only the TC's. How do you expect to survive when 82% of the population of your country is being repeatedly discriminated against?

Here I am claiming democracy and human rights and gimps like Yfred who could not comprehend democracy and human rights if it was dipped like a shoushouko in front of them, is arguing against WHAT? democracy and human rights.

Is gimp a self portrait DT, after all you are the product of the Greek Army. And we all know what the Greeks like old boy, don't we now?

We will have democracy you little shitbag with you or without you, sooner or later.

BTW if you need psychological help on account of your family's contribution to the Cyprus problem I am sure help is available, but if there isn't come over to UK and get some treatment, it’s free.

Idiot!

Back to your reproduction revision dearest.

Why don't you go and exchange with Z4, deranged fool! ... No hang on, he is a little less pointless on this forum than you, since he occasionally comes up with a word for "Game" ....

[DT.]

I need more than that.... And if you really could go on all night I would love to know what really sends you round the bend with the current status of the constitution. Today is more important to me than yesterday...

Well, for starters the TC's do not have a veto today.

No. They have a bigger stick. Which would you have prefered? A veto or the whole island?

The whole island without a veto. Veto all you like on matters that involve the TC community specifically and list them before hand in the constitution. But to have the arrogance to think that 18% of the population should be able to stop ANY law or action by the govt is ludicrous.

Especially when the ties with Turkey are so strong and it will take decades for the Cypriot Turks to start acting for the benefit of Cyprus and not the benefit of Turkey.

Well, this is where democracy was a failure. Even the 30:70 would not have saved the TCs from the overpowering GCs. What chance would 18% have. These figures were presented to give the TCs a chance of survival. Not perfect but no chance was given to the people of Cyprus to work this out -TOGETHER. Now we have this mess. I pray that those who created this mess rot in hell.

this is where democracy was a failure

Deniz,

But there was no such thing as a Democracy in Cyprus, at least not the kind of Democracy the West is built on, and that's why it failed. Numbers such as 30%-70% are a problem when unfair allocations of Government jobs, Government seats and a 50% power in the form of a veto power is given to a 18% of the population in an undemocratic method just because they are 18% and not because of earning those positions. In fact, a veto power by any group is not just 50% power control, but a full 100% power control, therefore the 18% had full 100% power and not just 50%. Where is the Democracy in that.? They also had "Democracy" in South Africa where the minority whites also had full 100% power over the majority, so was that also a Democracy or something else.? The whites believed it was a Democracy, but was it.? On the other hand, the Blacks in the USA are only 10% of the overall US population and only through True Democracy (in the last 50 years or so), we have a Black President. But yet, with 18% of the overall Cyprus population, a TC could never have become a president according to the 1960 constitution, so once again, where was the Democracy in that.? Today the TC's still want to go back to those dark days of no Democracy but only to privileges instead as the case was in the 1960 constitution, and also wanting a separate state in their own name built mostly on others land in a form of a "founding state" which can become independent anytime in the future just by the majority in that state voting for it. No wonder the GC's are in no mood to grant the 18% (less than 10% now) today what was given to them in 1960 by the British. I think it is high time , that in order to find a solution to Cyprus, everyone will need to walk in everyone else’s shoes a mile or so to understand where the others are coming from and not just only insisting on, I want, I want, I want.!

I second that.