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[Kifeas]

Like I said in a previous post...the ball is in Talat's court. You can't tell me that the proposals made by the RoC in the recent talks were not fair or generally negative.

Main_Source, are you adopting Viewpoint's writing style from now on?

"Like I said before, the ball is in Papadops court." This phrase belongs to Viewpoint. Do you know that almost half his postings begin or contain this slogan?

[Main_Source]

lol...shut up. your lieing!

[MicAtCyp]

How can they claim that some land belongs to Evkaf if it's completely baseless? There must be some truth to it. I'm as skeptical as you are but at the same time, I want to hear the story behind it, if anyone knows.

The truth is Evkaf owned a lot of land in Famagusta that the British "expropriated" for use by their Government. Before leaving however they settled ALL this account with Efkaf and they paid them half a million pounds. Considering the wages then were a few mils per day you can imagine how huge this amount was. Evkaf SIGNED them that this amount settles all their claims on land. This amount was used by Kucuk to buy all the North Nicosia area upto Kionelli to create the first enclave.
I mentioned this hundreds of times in this forum, where were you Metecyp?

PS.The land the GC individuals owned at Varoshia has nothing to do with the ex-Evkaf properties.The Ex-Evkaf properties became State land after 1960.

Anyway beautiful article by Levent.Thanks for your time translating it.

[metecyp]

I mentioned this hundreds of times in this forum, where were you Metecyp?

Can't follow everything in this jungle

PS.The land the GC individuals owned at Varoshia has nothing to do with the ex-Evkaf properties.The Ex-Evkaf properties became State land after 1960.

Ok, now it gets interesting. If Evkaf properties became RoC land after 1960, and RoC is technically a GC state now with no TC participation, don't you think TCs needs to get that land back since they're not part of RoC anymore? Maybe a better way of putting it would be: at least it should be accounted in a future agreement.

One other question. Why did Evkaf property become state land while the Orthodox church maintained its land after 1960?

[brother]

One other question. Why did Evkaf property become state land while the Orthodox church maintained its land after 1960?

Now that is a very good question, anyone care to answer it.

[MicAtCyp]

Ok, now it gets interesting. If Evkaf properties became RoC land after 1960, and RoC is technically a GC state now with no TC participation, don't you think TCs needs to get that land back since they're not part of RoC anymore? Maybe a better way of putting it would be: at least it should be accounted in a future agreement.

Firstly I don't accept the above logic.State land is state land and belongs to everybody.Don't forget what happened in the occupied areas is completely illegal, both concerning the State lands and the GC lands.

Maybe what you said above could apply in case of agreed partition. So in that case you mean the TCs take back the state land in Famagusta? Then you should return to the GCs the land Kucuk bought at the Northern part of Nicosia upto Kionelli! (using the money he got from the British for the land in Famagusta) Did you in your life ever see a legal alis-veris in which both parties agreed get reversed 45 years later simply because one of the two parties started crying???

One other question. Why did Evkaf property become state land while the Orthodox church maintained its land after 1960?

When some property is expropriated it becomes state land.As to why it was expropriated you should ask the British.
Second you are generalising.Both Evkaf and the Church were never deprived any of their lands before or after 1960 . However a part of their lands was expropriated by the British and eventually compensated in cash.

Now we are talking for the Varosia area where a part of Evkaf property was expropriated by the British. The rest still officially belongs to Evkaf as per land registry records of Famagusta.Those records are in your hands! since 1974, so It is upto you to publish those records and prove Evkafs claims (for 90%???? ownership in Varoshia). In my opinion these claims are miles away from truth. I don't know why the British did not take any part or if they took some part of the Orthodox church in Varoshia. If in fact they did not, I can only assume that the church did not have much land there.

Now I also have a question for you:
Can any TC politician or TC administrator of Evkaf propose to offer a part of their land in Larnaca on exchange of the land on which the University in Famagusta is built ? Do the Evkaf administrators have such authority?

PS.It seems only Evkaf had such big lands to build Hospitals, Courts of justice,other Government buildings, Railway stations, Ports etc in Famagusta. Most of these buildings still exist there and are still used by you....

[Othellos]

Ok, now it gets interesting. If Evkaf properties became RoC land after 1960, and RoC is technically a GC state now with no TC participation, don't you think TCs needs to get that land back since they're not part of RoC anymore? Maybe a better way of putting it would be: at least it should be accounted in a future agreement.

Some will come up with any kind of an "excuse" in order to lay a hand on other peoples homes.

O.

[-mikkie2-]

Some will come up with any kind of an "excuse" in order to lay a hand on other peoples homes.

Didn't you know O? Whats theirs is theirs and whats ours is theirs too!

[metecyp]

Now I also have a question for you:
Can any TC politician or TC administrator of Evkaf propose to offer a part of their land in Larnaca on exchange of the land on which the University in Famagusta is built ? Do the Evkaf administrators have such authority?

I don't know much about Evkaf and how it works. That's why I've been asking question to understand it better.

Some will come up with any kind of an "excuse" in order to lay a hand on other peoples homes.

I'm not trying to find ways to steal anybody's property. It was a legitimate question. MicAtCyp said some of the Evkaf land became state land in 1960 for the use of the two communities. Now that state doesn't represent TCs, don't you think TCs deserve those lands back? Or at least, in a future agreement, it should be accounted as TC land, not just state land.

Didn't you know O? Whats theirs is theirs and whats ours is theirs too!

You know mikkie2, sometimes, I really feel like I'm wasting time with you. I just asked a question without making any specific claims and all of a sudden, I'm being accused of wanting someone else's land.[/quote]

[-mikkie2-]

Metecyp,

My statement is aimed at the tc political leadership, not you personally.